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06-07-2014 , 04:01 PM
newb question: if a hand is +.04, how do i calculate that to real dollars gained?
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06-07-2014 , 04:20 PM
Hey p2 dog, p2, please don't belittle yourself by naming question newb.
Its really not so easy to figure it out the first time.

Just switch ICMIZER to ICM $EV mode and set up the prizepool in $.
After that you will be getting $ based results instead of %.

Choose ICM $EV instead of ICM %EV in its dropdown.
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06-07-2014 , 05:28 PM
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06-07-2014 , 10:39 PM
Hey Q, thanks for the reply. Didn't mean to say there was something wrong with your software, I just wondered whether ICM/FGS leaves anything out of the equation because I felt something was off.

I think I found a better example:




ICM gives us the same calling range, 26%, for both of these situations. However, they're drastically different. In the first spot, we have two short stacks on our left and have little fold equity against them. In the other scenario, we have two healthy stacks on our left which we have plenty of fold equity against.

Does this not affect ICM's decision? One of the most important things in DON is maintaining a stack with fold equity so the calling ranges should be at least a little bit different.
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06-08-2014 , 12:04 AM
The FGS will become relevant when players are much more shorter stacked and there are less players at the table. It doesn't magically look into entire future, it does solve the problem with upcoming blinds in the next hand which can be important sometimes.

Please read the example I provide about case where FGS has serious effect on the calculation. FGS isn't a silver bullet though, it doesn't change EVERYTHING.

http://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/icm-...e-simulations/

Your both spots are pretty much the same all things considered. Location of that shorter stacked guy may affect future but only a very distant one. Also him busting.. doesn't guarantee a cash, not much will change.

Start analyzing 4 way scenarios (bubble) and you will see some changes in suggested strategy.
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06-09-2014 , 11:49 AM


when it says overcall ranges - hijack push, is this essentially a "when hero folds situation?"
Or, is this hijack shoving on top of an assigned hero shove?
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06-09-2014 , 12:23 PM
ICMIZER names/numbers all ins in sequential order.

First allin is push,
second all-in is call,
third all-in is overcall.

So here its HIJ push when hero folds.
If it were HIJ on top of hero push, it would be HIJ call range.
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06-12-2014 , 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Q
Hmm I am really going to be careful about my first assumptions after reading your question. It seems to be quite natural to me.
The pushing range from SB and BTN is different, because from SB there is 1 guy after you, and the chance that he calls you is smaller than if there are two guys behind you.

Following this principe UTG range ends up much tighter than SB, because its quite likely that someone out of several players has a strong hand.

So you have to use different ranges. And if you put hero on BB, then you are now Facing pushes, and its completely different spot, so your call range now completely depends on pushers range, and will even contain different hands sometimes (weigthed towards strong Kx or Qx hands from connected hands often present in push ranges)

But maybe I didn't quite understand what you are asking. In that case please elaborate.
Sorry didn't explain myself clearly, what I meant is if I put hero on BTN I get a certain button pushing range but if I set hero on SB and make button push all in I get a slightly different button pushing range and a different SB calling range. What I normally do is first click 'Calculate Nash Equilibrium' and then I click 'Calculate' and the percentages usually change a bit after I hit 'Calculate', usually by 2-5%.

For example at 250-1375-1375 blinds 50/100-20 if I set hero on BTN he shoves 22+ Ax K2s+ K5o+ Q8o+ Q5s+ J9o+ J7s+ T8s+ T9o 98s but if I set hero on SB and make BTN shove he doesn't shove 22 K5o J7s T9o and 98s. Why is there a difference and which range is the most accurate?

Last edited by chinagambler; 06-12-2014 at 04:54 AM.
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06-12-2014 , 03:22 PM
Ahh I get the question now.
Please refer to this article where I explain this effect in detail:
http://www.icmpoker.com/en/blog/anal...sh-fold-spots/
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06-15-2014 , 06:25 PM
Hei I can't buy the software. I Have visa electron credit card and I have the money on it but it doesn't let me buy it. How can I do otherwise. Pokerstars transfer, moneybookers ?
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06-15-2014 , 10:27 PM
Hi, andreiuc

Unfortunately I cannot accept pokerstars and the only available payment options right now are the ones which you can find at the website: paypal and credit card.

Note that you can ask a friend to buy ICMIZER access key for you as a gift, and send him the funds on pokerstars. He then can send you the purchased ICMIZER key and we have solved your problem.

Please note that I am using external payment processor and if some problems occur (usually they are security related like IP distance checks to country of CC origin) with a credit card, they usually don't go away.
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06-16-2014 , 12:14 AM
Hi Q,

Any rough timeline on the release of quiz mode?

Cheers.
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06-16-2014 , 02:38 PM
Hey. The work on the update is going pretty well. The thing is that the update with quiz has got so huge and will be called ICMIZER 2.0 and will bring some really big changes.

I had a series of great ideas and each of them requires some reasonable time to implement so the promised date of what I saw before as the update is moving forward. But before I started to work on it I had a vision of rather small update, and as I got into it it became bigger and bigger.

With that said a big part is already complete, and I plan to release it asap, but realistic date would be after July.
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06-16-2014 , 11:53 PM
Thanks, appreciate your hard work!
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06-17-2014 , 03:00 PM
Was there any upgrades to the algorithm recently? A few days ago I made some bubble charts for a 65/35 payout hyper and I just checked again and almost every single NE range has changed by a few %. Here is what ICMIZER gave a few days ago:


Today it gives different ranges for everything.
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06-17-2014 , 05:19 PM
No, there were no updates recently and there were no updates affecting results for a long while.

Are you sure all conditions are the same in your chart and calculations?
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06-17-2014 , 05:25 PM
Nevermind just figured it out, I had the antes set wrong when I made this.
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06-17-2014 , 05:26 PM
Okay, thanks for this reply, will keep me sane!
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06-20-2014 , 12:42 AM
i have asked this before, apologies i have to ask again.

i cant get the correct bet amount as an input. if it is level 12500/25000 and ante 2500, a guy in middle position can only min raise to 52,500, its accounting for the ante. can I make this so raise to standard 50,000?
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06-20-2014 , 02:44 AM
Hey.

This is the way of ICMIZER to let you know that we take antes into consideration. Its probably not best way, but you can clearly see that stack size of player to the left, and how much he bet total to the right.

Raise of 50000 with ante 2500 results into 52500 total bet and thats the minimum size someone who raised can have next to him.
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06-20-2014 , 11:09 AM
Hi I need help with your software - as I am seriously considering buying.

I play exclusively on Merge (I am a sad Yank) ... But I need my hand held in figuring this stuff out.

My first question is how do I load payout structures from a given tournament?

Here is the payout for the tournament:



Next I am trying to figure out the proper ICM situation for this spot in the tournament with 6 remaining players:

Payouts are as follows:

1. $116
2. $76
3. $53
4. $38
5. $29
6. $22

Merge - $5+$.50|<$400 Gtd [Turbo, Deep]> NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 8.97 BB (VPIP: 18.52, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 13.04, Hands: 54)
UTG: 6.64 BB (VPIP: 22.43, PFR: 15.15, 3Bet Preflop: 2.56, Hands: 107)
Hero (MP): 7.87 BB
CO: 3.59 BB (VPIP: 38.81, PFR: 13.56, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 67)
BTN: 1.69 BB (VPIP: 20.37, PFR: 14.09, 3Bet Preflop: 12.73, Hands: 162)
SB: 6.37 BB (VPIP: 24.62, PFR: 22.81, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 67)

6 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.1 BB) Hero has K 9

fold, Hero?

Next I tried using the default free version on your website using one of the PS big tourney structures after having loaded the above HH from the clipboard:



How's it look - am I off on the right track? IOW - do all I need to know in order to get the full benefit from your software is figure out how to load the payout structure? thanks so much - sorry if this n00b...
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06-20-2014 , 02:06 PM
Hey.

You are on the right track, however

1) Since this is a final table, you don't need to have MTT checkbox checked. Right now situation is calculated incorrectly as it assumes that there are 7 players remaining, not 6.
Use this checkbox when you analyze pre-final table situations, with more than 1 table running

2) To create a custom payout for your tournament use following process:
hit [+] next to payout, choose $ mode in payout creation, set up buy in to your prize pool 562$ and set participants to 1 (this way our prize pool will be equal to 562$*1 dollars, as your tournament)

Then just add payouts like I do in my screenshot, till entire prize pool is distributed. You can hit [Done] button at any point, where further payouts do not affect your calculation (for example for this hand, its irrelevant how other payouts expect first 6 are distributed. What is important, is that big part of prize pool has already been paid, and actual payouts for 1st to 6th places).


Once you create payout, hit the diskette button to save it so you dont lose it next time you load ICMIZER.

You have set up the spot correctly otherwise, blinds, stacks , players, hero hand.

Let me know if you have further questions.
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06-22-2014 , 04:00 PM
i have Free 1 week ICMIZER key because of my purchase, if anyone interested will pm the key activation
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06-23-2014 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Q
Hey.

You are on the right track, however

1) Since this is a final table, you don't need to have MTT checkbox checked. Right now situation is calculated incorrectly as it assumes that there are 7 players remaining, not 6.
Use this checkbox when you analyze pre-final table situations, with more than 1 table running

2) To create a custom payout for your tournament use following process:
hit [+] next to payout, choose $ mode in payout creation, set up buy in to your prize pool 562$ and set participants to 1 (this way our prize pool will be equal to 562$*1 dollars, as your tournament)

Then just add payouts like I do in my screenshot, till entire prize pool is distributed. You can hit [Done] button at any point, where further payouts do not affect your calculation (for example for this hand, its irrelevant how other payouts expect first 6 are distributed. What is important, is that big part of prize pool has already been paid, and actual payouts for 1st to 6th places).


Once you create payout, hit the diskette button to save it so you dont lose it next time you load ICMIZER.

You have set up the spot correctly otherwise, blinds, stacks , players, hero hand.

Let me know if you have further questions.
thank you so much!
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06-23-2014 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by bugsysegal
i have Free 1 week ICMIZER key because of my purchase, if anyone interested will pm the key activation
pm'd sent! but likely gonna purchase this awesome software anyway!
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