Well first of all you need to be using correct payout structure. Here you use 18 man, but tournament looks like it had different payout.

Second, with 2 guys all-in and second caller with 9% range, you really cant expect to be wide. Your range is always a fraction of a shoving range. When there are 2 all-ins, it can be very tight.

Getting these errors when pressing the Calculate Nash Equilibruim button

Hey IamIsildur

Can you please send a screenshot of tournament spot in ICMIZER, which you are trying to find Nash equilibrium ranges for?

Generally they are working, so this must be something pretty specific and directly spot related.

Here are two spots.

Thats curious, spots are totally default/normal and work for me.

I suspect this could be caused by not latest version of Silverlight.
Please update Silverlight to latest version and let me know if it still doesn't work.

http://www.microsoft.com/getsilverli...l/Default.aspx

If you have the latest version, I guess we would need to arrange a teamviewer session, but my hopes are in silverlight problem.

man i got some weed like schoolboy Q

i am not a subscribed user but have tinkered with the thought. playing mostly sngs in the past (post-BF) i had other subscription services or products to analyze sngs and i thought they were efficient enough. As of late I am getting into more mtt and i dont know of any programs as user friendly as yours for mtt; implememting manual payouts, chip stacks, etc is awesome. i analyzed this hand today and have some questions



We are on the bubble and in game cutoff min raised. Okay, this is off topic and totally irrelevant for this hand. When clip-boarding merge HH's, Mizer does not read stacks properly; i think it is associated with blinds and antes. For instance in the hand above at 100 ante level, i had to manually deduct 100 from everyone in regards to the ante, stacks were all imported as 100 chips more. Furthermore, the blinds do basically the same thing. So, in this particular hand, while CO minraised in game, for some reason I had to say he actually bet 2.05bb(the amount of the ante compared to blind) otherwise there was an error message, suggesting that 2k was not big enough sizing. Maybe you are aware of this small "reading" error

Back to the hand; I think I answered some questions I wanted to ask as i look this over again. Okay, one that came to find; i hit "ICM" for the current hand, it then appears this feature does not work when there are multiple tables, eh? the icm numbers were broken down by my table only.

okay, then also, i guess as i try to read the action and range percentages; i am simply having a bit of trouble understanding all of the actions. That cant possibly be suggesting that SB shoves over the top of the OR with 89% eh? I am implying that means SB is shoving 89% when folded to; however I already input the min raise, so this will never be an option in the particular hand. I hope u follow my confusion there. Also, it ia suggesting the SB calls with 9.7%, is this suggesting the SB flat the OR with 9.7%?

I will continue working these problems, i have struggled at times to correctly read the actions and stuff; it is set up a bit different than other programs. I think i watched a tutorial in the past that helped and I will go look for it again

Hey

There are several questions so to get over each of them

1) There can be problems with parsing. However I need details about them, like hand text, and expected result, and actual result in ICMIZER, whats wrong etc.

2) Regarding entering bets, when there is ante in play and someone minraises, in ICMIZER you need to input his bet as 2x BB + ante. Thats how it treats situation. You need to enter all chips in front of current player, to form correct dead money pot.

3) Not sure what you hit and what doesnt work. Please elaborate

4) Regarding ranges, ICMIZER doesn't suggest any ranges in this spot. You need to manually edit ranges. It doesn't imply that SB will shove 89% here if you fold. ICMIZER can suggest ranges for spots which can be analyzed with Nash calculator feature. In that case Calculate Nash equilibrium button is enabled (here its not). In other cases you need to manually assign ranges, to get meanigful results.

Is possible to calculate optimal openraise/fold range with a pprox postflop equity? Heard something about it. Thank you.

e:what about openraise calc in general?

ICMIZER can compare fold decision and push decision preflop.

It cannot compare EV of non all-in/non fold action (like raise 2BB) to some other action (like all-in or fold).

So that means that it cannot compare raise vs all-in push/call/overcall action.
It can compare all-in push/call/overcall action vs fold, in virtually any preflop spot though.

And it doesn't use any "postflop approx equities", postflop is generally ignored in ICMIZER.
We try to find best preflop decisions given a choice of either folding or moving all chips in the middle of the table options.

Hello Q, I'm playing Hyper-Turbos HUSNG on pokerstars and i have bought your software. I would like to enquire on a question about the EV difference. For example, I have QJo OTB at 15bbs(15/30) level and I MR and villain jams. To calculate the most +EV play as pertaining to fold or call, does it mean that as long any call with a result of -60EV difference and below means I should be calling even though its -EV? Because I lose 60 chips if I fold. Thanks in advance for the help.

ThatsAGoodCard, in this spot hands will be +EV if folding them will have worse expectation than calling a push in this spot.

So if you raised 60, and now face a shove your fold option is losing 60 chips.
If when you call your EV will be losing 50 chips from the starting stack, that hand will show +10 chips EV difference.

Please note that ICMIZER provides detailed results breakdown for each hand. Just hit XX detailed result below results grid to see how calculation is performed.
Its benefitial to understand clearly whats going on.

Just keep in mind that once you made any bets, they aren't yours anymore. They belong to pot in the middle of the table.

Could you upload the icmizer.ico file? Somehow doesn't work on my laptop/desktop running win 8.1 pro preview and no icon when pinned to taskbar is a bit ugly.

rckyu, what is desired icon resolution for win 8.1?

New update is ready and I would appreciate if it gets a little tested before I release it to public.

It had quite a few internal changes so I am afraid there could be some new bugs.

Its v1.5.2 and its available here http://www.pokericmcalculator.com/icmizerbeta/

Added
• Typical MTT payouts: PokerStars Sunday Warmup, Sunday Storm, Sunday Million
Note that since ICMIZER doesn't support more than 60 players in MTT, those payouts do not display more than 60 payouts; other payouts cannot affect calculation results in any way
• Hands in multiple hands loader are now numbered
• Current MinDiff value is not lost when you parse hands

Hey Q!

I want to ask about STT FR KnockOut sngs. Is there any difference in analyzing them and analyzing regular STT FR? I mean, do I have to change somehow payout structure (if yes - how?), or I should use plain 50/30/20 structure fo KOs as well?

Hey DominXTC

I am afraid results which you will be getting for KOs using ICMIZER will be too far off, since ICMIZER doesn't take KOs into account.

So when you can bust someone and get a reasonable part of BI as a reward, that will be completely ignored, and youll get a wrong suggestion.

But if you still try to analyze them, there is not much in ICMIZER to do specifically about them, so just use typical 9max FR payout. But be very careful with results.

hello,

im thinking about purchasing yearly icmizer subscription, but i have a couple of questions. I have never used any similar tool before, so sorry if those questions seem a little bit stupid.

1. beside icm, will i be able to work with chip EV model?

for example, lets say i have 15 bb (1500) in CO with blinds 50/100/10,
button calls lets say 44+, A8s+, a9o+. Kjs+, Kqo
sb call lets say 66+, a9s, ajo+
bb calls lets AA and 92o( he just likes this hand )

will i be able to check, how many chips am i losing/gaining if i shove lets say k3s in that spot?

2. can i pay for icmizer via skrill? ( i dont see payment options anywhere, only 'order now')

3. is icmizer downloadable or only usable via browser?

Thanks for quick answer.

Ok, I get it. But Q, actually why there is no "KO option" in ICMizer's payout structure for equations to be exact? Is it mathematical problem? I mean is it to hard or even impossible to count these values for KOs, same like for some big MTTs in early phase? Or just no one need it before, and you had no time to deal with this type of ICM in ICMizer ? If so, is it possible we will get update in future, with option to create exact payout structure for KOs?

Hey Q, what do you say about adding avg. gain number for random hand.
It would be calculated:

go through all hands, if hand is +EV,
SUM += (%to have this hand)*(push fold EV difference of hand)

at the end, show SUM.

Main motivation is to have a way to see "equilibrium edge" by positions, in other words it could be used as a approximation for future hands for a time you are developing future ICM.
Also, probably more important, we could see how our push EV for random hand changes if player loosens up ( for future pushes against that player).

Hey JccGrmn,

1. Yes
2. No, usual payment methods are credit card or paypal. Both are available to choose from if you click order now
3. Yes its downloadable. But it requires internet connection, since all calculations are performed on server.

You can start a free trial and play around with it, to get clear answers for 1st and 3rd question. It allows to perform 3 free calculations per day, with no time limit. You can do it here: http://www.pokericmcalculator.com/signup/

I believe in over 2 years of ICMIZER existance this is 2nd or maybe 3rd time someone brings up topic of KOs. I guess thats a pretty uninteresting feature for the audience, because of this.

I think I could add it in future, if there was demand. Tthere might be some difficulties with taking them into account during calculation, but it shoudl be be possible to overcome them with some effort.

So I guess there is hope if KOs become more popular and more players are willing to learn them. My guess is that players who play KOs aren't usually into mathematics and more into having fun, so this topic gets brought up so rarely.

Thats something I am considering myself. No promises, but it might as well get added.

I´m just moved from Sng Wizard. Today i found this calculation wich marks 0% for hero push (not even pocket aces) :

http://www.pokericmcalculator.com/icmizer/#FkBr

Is that correct or is there any chance for miss calculation?

Thank you.

Wow, I didn't suppose this type of sngs is so unpopular.

You are right Q, but you must know, that sometimes, especially when product is very good or even astonishing, demant is created by supply

In this kind of extreme spots where two stacks are around 2~ blinds and there is bubble, analysis gets very difficult. ICMIZER currently doesn't look into the future, so calculation is performed for current hand. That makes results in this type of spots quite far off from expectation.

So to sum it up, calculation is correct, but result is useless. So you should be applying your own judgement in this spot, since future is really affecting our decision.