SNG Coach Is Now MTT Coach with a New Quiz List and Filter

Hey guys, in ICMIZER 3.20.0 update, we've improved the ease of use and management of various quizzes available in our adaptive push/fold coach and changed its name to more relevant to its complete set of available tools and features – MTT Coach.

SNG Coach is now MTT Coach

Since the release of the SNG Coach in 2015, we've added and improved many new features and tools. From a personal SNG trainer, it has grown into a universal coach where you can practice push/fold skills in all kinds of modes – Chip EV, single and multi-table SNG tournaments, and in huge MTTs including Progressive KO tournaments. The list of tournaments to choose from was growing every year and currently it has about 250 different tournaments! The long list of tournaments that we've had since the very beginning became hard to navigate.

We added stages in MTT quizzes in ICMIZER 3.13.0 update. Since then, our users can practice push/fold strategy at the final table, at the pre-final table, during the high-pressure bubble stage, or middle stage of a multi-table tournament. And the SNG Coach became a powerful tool for training push/fold strategies in MTT tournaments.



What's new in MTT Coach?

In the ICMIZER 3.20.0 update, we've added a search bar and a new useful system of filters to search and sort the tournaments from the list.



The following filters are available in MTT Coach:

⬤ network name
⬤ tournament type – Regular, KO, PKO
⬤ number of tables – SNG, MTT
⬤ number of players

We've also increased the number of tournaments in the Favorites list from 3 to 9 and changed the display style of the tournament list from one column to three.



The Quiz list now behaves similarly to the ICMIZER Tournament list.

Now it's easier for you to navigate through a large number of tournaments, and therefore we are ready to receive your requests for adding tournaments that you want to have in the MTT Coach list. If MTT Coach still misses some important tournament structure, please, send your suggestions for adding it to our email, and we will add them!

Also, you still can pin your favorite rooms to the top of the list of poker rooms using a star icon and collapse or expand the list of tournaments available in the room using a checkmark:



These changes significantly improve the usability of the personal push/fold trainer MTT Coach and allow you to train and improve your push/fold skills even more effectively.

Dear Mr. ICMizer,

Are you aware that many top pros deviate WILDLY from your solver's recommendations in extremely short-stacked situations such as these from a 6-max hyper SNG: https://imgbb.com/VmxGv9Y or https://ibb.co/19cNp5t ? My coach says he would happily jam Q-8s here in the first one, even though many of the FGS sims recommend a much, much tighter range. It seems the pros are going MUCH WIDER than the software in these spots. A pro told me to blend in the Chip EV solution here along with an average of all the FGS sims, and therefore advises to jam approximately 35-45% instead of the very tight 6%.

Their logic was not thorough or compelling, however, and I find it hard to believe that a nice, paid-for software such as ICMizer would be so wildly off. They basically said something like "ICMizer overvalues ICM with 0.1-4 BBs and we need to accumulate." Is this true? What about the importance of survival? Even if the chip-leader does not play like a GTO computer giving us several walks the next hand, I find it hard to deviate as much from the software as they are advising (going with Chip EV>FGS). Do we ever go back to highly valuing Chip EV with very short stacks in bubble situations? Finally, how can I know which FGS sim is the most useful when they yield wildly different results in these spots?

Hey,

This is one of the trickiest spots in SNGs. Regarding your calculation, our recommendation is to use FGS5 for this size, not FGS2. However, in this case it shouldn't change the result significantly.

The result you're getting assumes optimal plays from all players according to Nash equilibrium.
In reality though they are unlikely to play optimally so you need to edit ranges and make some assumptions about the 2 players. Depending on these assumptions and reads you may need to adjust the strategy accordingly.

Check out the tutorial lesson number 3 about editing ranges in ICMIZER.

Here a lot depends on how aggresively or passively the big stack will play next hand. If he plays according to Nash the pushing range into you from SB is only 58%. In reality he can give you a walk even more often and then shove from the button when the medium stack is BB so he folds. This is a very effective strategy that can lead to increased chance of getting first place.

If the big stack plans to execute this squezing strategy it means that you are way less interested in going allin than the first glance analysis may lead you to believe.

It also depends on your coach and your limits. These are quite advanced plays that can significantly affect the dynamic of these situations. On lower limits the big stack can be more likely to simply push into you when given a chance and help the mid stack get the second place and also increase the chance of medium stack actually getting the first place.

The optimal play is a forced blind out of medium stack which keeps the short stack alive which literally erasies the stack difference in chips that exists in the current hand by a series of smart folds and pushes from the big stack.

When you decide to ignore the results that you're getting and significantly change the strategy from it, you are making a pretty specific assumption about the future hands which may or may not be true in your tournament.

Does ~35% seem plausible as an exploitative deviation from the GTO ~6% against general population at most stakes?

Hey. A lot is going on in this question. Where do these numbers come from and why are you asking about most stakes?

Well, ICMizer recommends approximately a 6% BTN jamming range with the 1.5 BB stack, and my coaches are recommending a 35% range instead. Mid-stakes, non-GTO opponents.

Buggy as right now. Freezing at the simplest sum.

Hi Top Pig,

Please contact our support at support@icmizer.com with the details about your issues and we will look into this.

Quick question, is there any way to manually input ranges and run a solve when there are 4 or more people? I get the "too many pips/and or all-ins" error?

Like I get it if Icmizer can't automatically solve the ranges in these spots but shouldn't there be a way I can manually input ranges to still get an outcome? I mean if HRC can and Icmizer can't I dont quite understand why not.

Hi juvefan12,

As I can see, you contacted our support and got the answer there. Please let us know if we can help you with anything else.

Hi All

I have a couple of basic questions about using ICMIZER for MTTs, particularly large field.

1) When analysing decisions in early stages, i.e. a pre-bubble, is it appropriate to use chip EV mode and not worry too much about the structure of the tournament / MTT mode? I ask because I tend to run a sense check on all my marginal spots and it can be quite painstaking to enter various different large field tournament structures. Presumably ICM %EV defaults to final table view unless you click MTT mode.

2) Is there a way to set up / import a specific tournament with a range of payout structures depending on the number of players. This would be particularly useful if playing a tournament which runs daily but can vary in number of players from 1000-2000. Currently you either have to enter a set structure every time which can take a while for that large a field anyway or use a pre-set one and assume the structure is broadly similar?

Thanks in advance.

Hi afdrumkit,

For multi-table tournaments, in ICMIZER, we recommend using ICM %EV or ICM $EV modes because Chip EV calculations produce inaccurate results in multi-table tournaments. It is not so relevant for large tournaments and a very early stage, but if there are less than 500 people at the start of the regular tournament or less than 500 people left, we highly recommend selecting the MTT Mode and ICM calculating. In that case, you get a much more accurate strategy than in Chip EV mode.
We mentioned and explained it with examples in our article "Top 6 Pitfalls to Avoid when Analyzing Tournaments in ICMIZER".

If you are playing tournaments in supported poker rooms, ICMIZER has a preloaded list of the most popular tournament structures. If you can't find your tournament in our predefined list, you can easily create a new tournament by using the Create New button and the Create Tournament dialog. This is important for most MTTs & live tournaments because we simply cannot have everything available on this list. All manually created tournament structures are saved in the tournament selector window, so you can use them for similar tournaments, or edit them.
Unfortunately, ICMIZER can't import payout structures automatically because there is simply no information about it in hand history files. The files only contain hand history data ie who did what without the tournament payout data.

Hello I just got 1 year of ICMIZER and I have few questions and comment
First of all, I bought SNGWiz more then 10 years ago so its took my a while before I decide to go for ICMiZER

1. First of all, his my calculation is on your server even without Nitro or its on my computer ?
2. When I upload a HH I can't click "FSG" because I don't have nitro, I get it. But when I'm in a hand I have the option in top left to FGS. So I can use FGS but I have to manually "ask" for it ?
3. Can I change the way the hand are ordered to the left (in analysed hand). On the screenshot I can see the closest decision on top,etc but can I decide to see them in chronological order ?

4. Can I save the hand I saved (over the analysis window I have 3 hand) ? I guess not but its will be nice if you can do it. With SngWiz I like to review all my hands and save a few and just before the next session I revise them.
5. I'm using a hand catcher for Chico network. I'm using the default 9-man turbo (for sng). Since the payout it 50/30/20 everything seems right but I can't create a blind scructure. I guess ICMIZER is smart enought to see the blind structure into the hand history ?


Thank you

Hi Arnakk2424,

Thank you for choosing ICMIZER!

1. The computationally complex analysis is performed entirely in the ICMIZER cloud, without overloading your device.
2. With the NITRO addon, you are able to turn on the FGS model and set the FGS depth for all hands in auto-analyze. Without the NITRO addon, you can turn on the FGS only for the current hand.
3. If you want to see hands in chronological order, switch to the “Histories” column. It contains all hands of the loaded tournament from the first to the last.



4. In ICMIZER, you can save any ICMIZE result by using the "Share this result" button in the pushfold table. For more details, please read the article "How to Save the Calculation Result".
5. Yes, ICMIZER takes the blind structure from the hand history.

I hope it's clearer now.

Thank you for your quick answer !

4. I know I can "share this result" but what is can be nice to have is a "save" button copying all HHs in the list in a .txt file or similar and be able to "load" them for future review. I manually do it using the copy button. and paste in a notepad.

Have a nice day !

I sub to MTT Quiz/coach with mobile add on. I can not find any quizes for buble or final 3 table spots?

Thank you for your feedback and suggestions. I'll pass this on to our dev team. We are continually working on improving our software, and this feedback is very valuable for us!

Hi stumbras,

If you mean the MTT stages choice in quizzes, at the moment, this feature is available only for the MTT Coach in web and desktop ICMIZER 3 applications. The Mobile SNG Coach doesn't have that feature yet.

Hi, icmizer.

I would like to move my different tournaments payouts easily so that the menu looks more neatly. like moving all pkos together and all non pko together according to the field size. Please add an option so that we can move around the different tournaments easily. Thank you!

Hi foxjoke,

Thank you for your feature request! I'll pass it on to our dev team.

Big Blind Ante, please.

Hi Tortuga,

Thank you for your feature request! We're considering this but it's not on our shortlist.
The resulting ranges are not going to be too different from what you get with the standard antes and this is not a popular format among our users yet.

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Hi there. Just got icmizer and it looks really nice! I am confused on one thing though. I am trying to do wpn $6.60 bubble quiz, however it seems the the short stacks are extremely short. Is this a setting I have wrong? It just doesn't seem reasonable for there to be that many people with way less than 1 bb?

Hi harminofff,

Thank you for your kind words!

Regarding your question, please send us screenshots at support@icmizer.com so we can check it and process your request asap.