$100/year.

The software determines the EV of the bet size you choose; it will also recommend a specific bet size if you check.

Hi, testing the free version. The scenario window seem to crash a lot, every 5 hands or so.

Theres a bug in monitoring when people have the run it twice on the program crashes after hand is done.
Can you fix it so it remembers window sizes please.

Ah. Is this poker stars?

Yes

Ok. We are on it.

every since i started using this program (1 month ago) ive made $15,000 from mtts

i know all my traiing has been in a cash game format but the major area of improvement for me was my hand reading capabilities

Whoa!

What stakes/games? Sounds like a nice month!

Do you use the "see what hands you should be putting your opponent on" feature (for lack of a better name)?

Wow 15k in a month is nice. I thought my 3k month was nice

Couple of questions

1) From the thread it looks like support for this software cut off for approx 18mths and has recently come back again. Can you explain what happened there and give us some assurance it won't happen again. I don't want to pay $100 for a year license and then support for the software suddenly vanish a few weeks later.

2) Just from a skim read of the thread it looks like the basis of the AI for this software came from the hh's of two or three successful pros around the 100/200nl level around 2010. Is this correct? Given that game conditions have changed substantially in the past few years, what confidence can you give us that the AI in this software still provides solid advice in the current games? Is the AI updated at all, if so how and when?

3) Do you have any testimonies from players who can give specific evidence that this software improved their game and at what stakes and to what extent this software helped? I've seen general recommendations and a couple of tournament players saying they had good results after using it. Would this software be beneficial to a solid winner at 100nl, what about a marginal 400nl winner?

4) Are you the original developer of the software or is this software you have acquired recently after support for the software appeared to stop from the original developers?

Thanks

Thanks!

Sure. We developed this training software and were ready to launch and Black Friday occurred. Black Friday caused us to choose not to launch (i.e., while we had beta testers and chatted w/ them on this forum we never started marketing). Instead we developed www.skillbet.com, a legal way to play online poker in the US in 28 states. We decided to put 95% of our focus on SkillBet.com to get it launched (that is why we didn't support this thread).

We continued for the last 18 months to respond to every email we received and took care of all our customers during that time. We did not "support" this thread.

Even if we decide to stop marketing we'll continue to take care of customers as we have always done in the past.

We've continued to update various aspects of the game software and AI.

We developed the software independent of these two pros (i.e., to adapt to table conditions and to individual players).

Then we met these 2 pros, got millions of their hands and looked for flaws in the software and corrected some leaks or weaknesses in the software.

The AI adapts to individual players -- so as players change (e.g., low stakes, high stakes, super loose, c bet a lot, c bet rarely, etc. the advice differs). So for example, today you might average having 4 solid tight players at a table and 1 loose fish. The advice will be appropriate for those specific players.

Three years ago you might have 3 solid tight players at the table, 1 maniac fish and 1 loose/passive fish. The advice would be appropriate for those specific players.

So I'm highly confident the AI is better today than it was 3 years ago.

Some good testimonials on our web site at www.holygrailofpoker.com and below

"Absolutely brilliant software, but I hope that no other poker players use it!"
Mario Daumann, Redwitz an der Rodach, Germany


"Cash games are not my strength (yet), but HGOP has helped me to identify and plug some major leaks when playing with deep stacks."
Greg "zerosum79" Jones, a professional tournament poker coach from Washington, DC

"In the past I've hired 4-5 coaches, spending up to $1000 for 10 sessions. I would take Holy Grail over 10 sessions with a coach every time. You don't get good at poker in 10 sessions or 10 hours...it takes months and months. That feedback loop that HG provides is critical."
Andy "FriskyPirate" Dunn, Palm Springs, CA


Yes, i think the software is excellent for a solid winner at $100. For a solid winner (over 50,000 hands) at $100 NL I would use the sofware as follows:

1. Do not worry about minor "errors" much at all.
2. After each session review your "biggest" errors. If you are a winner at $100 NL -- you will agree with the advice most of the time -- but it is still valuable.
3. Import a ton of hands and watch the videos and compare your stats to these pros stats -- here are some big insights.

If I were a winning $10,000 buyin player online -- I would still use the software -- but I would use it differently. I would review the biggest errors as above, but what I'd really be interested in -- is assessing how profitable various different strategies are that I employ (e.g., how profitable are my c bets into 2 players with weak holdings? how profitable are my check raise bluffs? how profitable are my floats?)

I didn't write any of the software, but Chris (who wrote every line of code) continues to work for the company full time.

Thanks for the replies, seems an interesting piece of software and will definitely look at the trial version once I find the time.

Thanks JD, very informative

No problem. Please tell us what you think!

You are welcome!

Just downloaded and tested the trial.

I wont be buying it.

I think the only people who will benefit from this software are total noobs.

The advice is very poor.

I was playing the 5-10 (supposedly toughest opponents)

The advice was basically telling me to never defend my blinds even against people with 40% steal pcg.

Also it tells me to open 3x on the button against 2 blinds who were folding 90% to steals and advising me to fold hands like Q7o. This is horrible advice.

Against these nits the optimal strategy would be to open 60-100% for 2x until they adjust.

Its a good idea in theory but the AI needs more work. It also needs to tell you WHY it is the right play.

Did you load any of your hands into the software and analyse the advice against your own play?

I've been using this for awhile, the advice seems pretty solid IMO. YMMV based on the stakes and your current playing style.

How does this software work, do I get a tip while I'm in a hand?

no. only 5 seconds after the hand is done.

I see, thanks!

When will you add tournaments? I'd love to see that.

Yeah. We'd love to do it too, but it's a lot of work and won't happen soon