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Yeah, we should probably switch that off by default now.

I think at the time we made this the default, PS/FTP were by far the most popular sites. Fwiw, the setting is also automatically set to the correct mode when you import a hand history, so the default is only ever used for the first few manual calculations after a fresh install.

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12-24-2020 , 01:03 PM

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gonerogue

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I'm trying to run the EV of a 24BB SB shove over an EP limper and a BTN limper for a 9 man SNG and It is proving difficult. In the advanced tab I have "1.0bb" and "all-in" included in the Open field. The "allow limping" and "allow over-limping" checkboxes are checked. I am able to accurately model the action the whole way through and have assigned my ranges for the non-fold positions. I click the finish button and it's like nothing happens. All it does it show me the ranges for the two limpers. I'm aware there's an hour and a half video linked earlier but I don't really have time for all that.

And I play on a network with no HHs so it would also be very helpful if you included a chip total at the bottom of the Stack column under the "Stacks and Blinds" menu. I'm approximating some of the stacks but I still need to hit 13,500 total chips exactly for consistent modeling and preferable without using a calculator.

I have read the help file section "Advanced Hands" and it didn't really answer my questions.

Thanks.

Last edited by gonerogue; 12-24-2020 at 01:15 PM.

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12-24-2020 , 01:56 PM

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plexiq

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First off, remove the 1.0bb raise size, as that will be rounded up to the minimum legal raise sizing of 2.0bb. In the setup you only need to check the limp/overlimp boxes and leave everything else empty.

That should be it basically, maybe post a screenshot if you don't find the correct range node. You may need to expand some of the ranges by using the > icon next to them. If you need to enable more than 3 active players then switch to Monte Carlo mode.

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12-24-2020 , 02:11 PM

#779

gonerogue

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I think I have figured it out. I did not see the node under the SB. I will let you know if I have more questions thanks.

... the nodes are still just giving me back the ranges that I put in. Why do I need to give a range for SB when the SB shove is the range I am trying to solve for? How do I simply solve for SB shove range in the given scenario? In a competing program all I do is input the BT and MP limp and call-shove ranges and also the BB call-shove range, and then it tells me what I can profitably shove from SB.

In your program I am not even given the option to give BB a call-shove range? After I select SB raises to all-in it skips over BB and goes right back to MP and BT. I also cannot give BT a call-shove range, only a limp range.

How is this supposed to work? I bought two months after only testing basic hands.

Last edited by gonerogue; 12-24-2020 at 02:39 PM.

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12-24-2020 , 03:55 PM

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Standard calculations are restricted to max 3 active players, once 3 players enter the pot everyone else is forced to fold. That's the case when SB shoves in your example, so the action jumps back to MP.

As I wrote above, if you need more than 3 active players then switch to Monte Carlo mode and increase the active player limit to 4 or more.

As for ranges not calculating: On the last dialog page, only select actions that you don't need EVs for. So just do limps and folds up to the SB action. Or simply skip that last page entirely.

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12-24-2020 , 04:31 PM

#781

gonerogue

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Thank you, switching to monte carlo 4max solved the problem. I'm also not used to your node based interface that will probably take a while. But the software is solving as I expected now, have a nice holiday.

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01-08-2021 , 02:12 PM

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LektorAJ

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Is there a way to get Unibet hand histories in?

There are no hand history files but we can copy an individual hand to the clipboard then paste it somewhere.

It would be ideal to paste it directly into a window in HRC, but if not then we would be able paste it into a Notepad file then save it to make our own manually created HH file (I suspect that would be easier for you). I tried this approach but HRC seemed not to recognise the format.

A sample hand for the format is here:

Spoiler:

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01-09-2021 , 11:29 AM

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plexiq

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Happy to look into it, we'd need a lot more hands for implementing an entirely new format though. Ideally at least a few full tournaments, including antes/bounties/etc, so we can get the most important stuff covered.

Please send hands to support@holdemresources.net, thanks!

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01-09-2021 , 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by plexiq

Ok, I'll collect what I can.

Do they have to be from the same tournaments or canI mix and match? They're just all together in chronological order.

What is the "etc." apart from antes and bounties - no sb due to elimination, heads-up, come to mind.

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01-09-2021 , 12:07 PM

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Mix and match is fine, thanks. Basically, any specifics that aren't covered in the test hands may not work in the parser, until we have an example of the format for that situation.

Could be things like an all-in, a player sitting/timing out, skipped small blinds. Probably others that I'm forgetting right now.

Edit: Players being all-in after posting blinds/antes is also a common one that can cause problems.

Last edited by plexiq; 01-09-2021 at 12:24 PM.

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01-16-2021 , 01:28 AM

#786

JohnDonut1

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Hi, I just purchased HRC and installed.

When I am setting up a hand there are no fields for me to enter "Prizes" or "Blinds" I can only enter "Stacks"

I watched a tutorial on YouTube and there are more fields, but for me where "Prizes" and "Blinds" normally exist there is nothing?

Any ideas?

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01-16-2021 , 04:36 AM

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plexiq

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You probably have ChipEV selected as equity model, in that case no prize structure is used. Select e.g. ICM and the prizes should be displayed.

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01-19-2021 , 07:26 PM

#788

Raphychan

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Hi all !

I have a problem ina hand :

I import the hand and enter all data. I go to advance hand and size up the betting pattern of the hand

Utg raise 2BB, bouton call, sb shove, than hero ( BB ) want to know witch range is a call here but in HRC it is not show it goes directly to the open raiser !!!

Whitch settings i have to do ? ( I am in the trial version maybe it is for that )

Thanks a lot

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01-19-2021 , 07:30 PM

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plexiq

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The standard calculation restricts the action to max 3 active players. Once 3 players enter the pot, everyone else is forced to fold. That's why the action jumps back to the original raiser in your example.

Select the Monte Carlo mode and increase the max player limit to 4, the BB will be able to call then.

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01-19-2021 , 07:32 PM

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Raphychan

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Originally Posted by plexiq

i am going to try now

thanks a lot

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01-20-2021 , 03:48 PM

#791

Raphychan

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Hi !

i have 2 problem in HRC :

1) i want to use a hand with just bounty analyse tournament without any Icm witch settings is good to do ? and should i put 100 dollars first place and 100 % first place ?

2) i have a hand i want to see after a limp in the CO : if better over limp, or raise 3,5 BB or raise 5BB
how to do when i have the result and when also i edit range to have the new result ?
because when i click " best response" strange answer come

thanks hope i am clear

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01-20-2021 , 08:56 PM

#792

Raphychan

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and possible to have a user guide somwhere i guess will help me to figure out how this logiciel work !!!

thanks

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01-21-2021 , 02:16 AM

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Best response just calculates the one place you click it, so it's as if all other ranges are locked. On one of the top menus you can choose "Nash Calculation" which redoes all the unlocked ranges together balancing against each other.

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01-21-2021 , 05:58 AM

#794

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Originally Posted by Raphychan

I'd recommend to always use the actual prize structure, ICM matters - even early in the tournament. But if you would rather calculate without ICM then set the first place to the entire regular prize pool. Note that the sum of regular prizes still needs to be correct in relation to the bounty prize pool.

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2) i have a hand i want to see after a limp in the CO : if better over limp, or raise 3,5 BB or raise 5BB
how to do when i have the result and when also i edit range to have the new result ?
because when i click " best response" strange answer come

thanks hope i am clear

As LektorAJ posted, "Best Response" is probably not what you want. Use the green "Run Nash Calculation" button in the toolbar to re-calculate all unlocked ranges.

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01-21-2021 , 02:10 PM

#795

Raphychan

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thanks a lot

i guess i will have a lot of questions more soon.....do somewhere it exist good video or pdf guide of HRC ? will be really helpful

thanks

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01-21-2021 , 03:22 PM

#796

LektorAJ

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Playing with the Import Hands > Quick Analyze feature from a tournament.

Couple of suggested improvements:

1) Maybe there could be a "slow analyze" feature that would use a couple of levels of FGS as the quick analyze results are often quite far off what you get when you open hands and redo them. Maybe it could work so it only does the "slow-analyze" (perhaps using user's default automatic FGS depths) if the quick analyze shows the hand as wrong or questionable (i.e. the red or yellow icons)

2) When we click through from the hand to "open hand" and run the deeper analysis, it would be nice if it placed us at the position in the game tree where we actually made the decision - I always end up having to find it in the hand history.

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01-21-2021 , 05:56 PM

#797

JohnDonut1

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Originally Posted by plexiq

You probably have ChipEV selected as equity model, in that case no prize structure is used. Select e.g. ICM and the prizes should be displayed.

Thanks! This worked.

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01-21-2021 , 05:57 PM

#798

JohnDonut1

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Is there an easy way to analyze ICM Spots on the bubble?

Say it's a big tournament with a few hundred spots paying out, do I have to enter ALL the prizes individually?

Please let me know if anyone has advice on running sims for the Bubble!

Thanks so much

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01-22-2021 , 04:56 AM

#799

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Originally Posted by Raphychan

thanks a lot

i guess i will have a lot of questions more soon.....do somewhere it exist good video or pdf guide of HRC ? will be really helpful

thanks

The official documentation is located at Help: Help Contents. We don't have an official video series, but there are some good third party ones around, e.g.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3Wwpmk0bGk

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Originally Posted by LektorAJ

Agreed, both of these coming soon(ish).

A little dev update: We are currently focusing on getting the new Postflop calculation model ready for public beta testing, that's a big one and we want to get users involved with the testing asap. On top of that there are a bunch of QoL improvements we've been working on, these should go live in the main version shortly after.

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Originally Posted by JohnDonut1

You only need to enter the payout-jumps, you can skip all repeated prizes. Even with a few hundred paid that's typically around 10-20 jumps that you actually need to enter. Check the video above, i believe it shows the setup of a fairly large MTT structure.

e.g. if you enter 20th: 10$, 30th: 7$ then 21st-29th are all set to 10$, you don't need to explicitly enter these repeated prizes.