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12-20-2011 , 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by cr0w
Let's say we have the following scenario: hu 15 bb , sb minraises 60% and calls to a shove 30% of his range, and we use cardrunner ev to calculate the optimal shoving range of BB.

I would like to know the BB optimal shoving range for various situation like this (e.g sb minraises 59%,58%,57% etc or effective stacks 16bb,17bb,18bb and so on etc etc) . Is there a way to do such a thing automatically or should I set the values each time manually?

Thanks!
You'll need to do so manually.
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12-20-2011 , 03:12 PM
Any chance of an autosave feature ala MS Office in case of crashes? I know I should just save my work more often but....:P

-Mike
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12-20-2011 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by mperich
Any chance of an autosave feature ala MS Office in case of crashes? I know I should just save my work more often but....:P

-Mike
It ís autosaved.
Just click the "restore" button in the startup screen.
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12-21-2011 , 01:32 AM
Ah sweet good to know. Great job as always
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12-23-2011 , 02:18 AM
does this work on win7 ok? Downloaded the non reg version and anytime i create varying range of hands:

raise early
raise late
raise button

they become overwritten with another for no apparent reason. Is this byproduct of not being registered?
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12-23-2011 , 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Tre976
does this work on win7 ok?
Yes, it should work fine.

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Originally Posted by Tre976
Downloaded the non reg version and anytime i create varying range of hands:

raise early
raise late
raise button

they become overwritten with another for no apparent reason.
Do you mean the predefined preflop ranges?

One thing I can think of that could cause issues is if you're not running as admin. If you don't have proper permission to write files to the installation directory then possibly this will cause a conflict.

Try if running as admin solves the issue. Rightclick the program's icon and select "run as administrator".

If not, could you please be more specific as to what you mean by overwritten with another?


Edit: Oh wait. Perhaps you mean that the ranges switch positions when you click on one and then another. That's how you can change the order of the predefined ranges: Select a range and then click where you want to insert.

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Originally Posted by Tre976
Is this byproduct of not being registered?
No, this should work in trial mode.
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12-23-2011 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Yes, it should work fine.



Do you mean the predefined preflop ranges?

One thing I can think of that could cause issues is if you're not running as admin. If you don't have proper permission to write files to the installation directory then possibly this will cause a conflict.

Try if running as admin solves the issue. Rightclick the program's icon and select "run as administrator".

If not, could you please be more specific as to what you mean by overwritten with another?


Edit: Oh wait. Perhaps you mean that the ranges switch positions when you click on one and then another. That's how you can change the order of the predefined ranges: Select a range and then click where you want to insert.


No, this should work in trial mode.
sorry it was 2am when i wrote this!


I've tried this with clear mode off and on.

I create a range of hands and name them ( for ease of explanation):

EP
MP
LP

Each has a completely different percentage of hands selected.

as i move my cursor across the named EP MP LP I get a number of purple tiled hands start to supplant those that were preselected and all of a sudden my three named ranges are identical.

Last edited by Tre976; 12-23-2011 at 01:13 PM.
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12-23-2011 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Tre976
sorry it was 2am when i wrote this!


I've tried this with clear mode off and on.

I create a range of hands and name them ( for ease of explanation):

EP
MP
LP

Each has a completely different percentage of hands selected.

as i move my cursor across the named EP MP LP I get a number of purple tiled hands start to supplant those that were preselected and all of a sudden my three named ranges are identical.
Ok ... sounds like we have a mystery on our hands.
I've never heard of this before.

And when you double-click them to load a range, is it also the same range for all of them?
Or is it just that the same range is displayed?

Do the ranges restore to EP,MP,LP when you close the program and restart (trying to figure out if at this point they're stored to disk or are just in memory).
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12-24-2011 , 07:05 AM
Ok well I reran the program as admin. It came up with only the preloaded set of ranges you get when you load the program.

So I clicked on add category -> created name ( EP) -> clicked on store range named it (ep open) and then select AA-22

click on add category -> created name (LP) -> clicked on store range (Button)

now AA-22 are still highlighted. I click on AKs AKo additionally.

Now both EP Open and Button have AA-22 AKs AKo showing..

If i select only one of them and click clear they are both erased..


oddly if i run my cursor over the "Button" name the AA-22 AKs AKo is all in purple now but i move my cursor away the "starting hand" box of card ranges is empty again.

if i run my cursor over "ep open" nothing happens the field remains empty..




if i close and rerun as admin.. my newly created names are still there:

if i run my cursor over the "Button" name the AA-22 AKs AKo is all in purple now but i move my cursor away the "starting hand" box of card ranges is empty again.

Last edited by Tre976; 12-24-2011 at 07:10 AM.
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12-24-2011 , 07:10 AM
I ran the program w/o launching as admin and the same thing happens
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12-24-2011 , 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Tre976
So I clicked on add category -> created name ( EP) -> clicked on store range named it (ep open) and then select AA-22
I think this is where the problem is.

To add ranges to a categorie you'll need to click store range.
You need to enter the range in the matrix befóre storing it.

You can select ranges and categories by left-clicking them to move them up down with the arrow keys.
Or rightclick for more options.


Please check if you can reproduce what I'm doing in this video:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7ZHUTBVC
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12-25-2011 , 07:14 PM
Hi, Scylla!

I bought your software about a week ago, and can't find any *.stx files in program folder or anywhere, including your website.

So, help me plz, where can i download some addition files for cardrunnersEV? And do they include Nash push/fold and 3bet/call charts?
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12-25-2011 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by sunny_flower
Hi, Scylla!

I bought your software about a week ago, and can't find any *.stx files in program folder or anywhere, including your website.

So, help me plz, where can i download some addition files for cardrunnersEV? And do they include Nash push/fold and 3bet/call charts?
The .stx files should be in the savefiles subfolder in the main directory.

As for charts, CardRunnersEV is a calculator, and with some effort+imagination you should be able to do your own custom research. But there's no ready-made charts. The purpose of CardRunnersEV is to provide people with a math tool to do research for themselves.

Last edited by scylla; 12-25-2011 at 09:04 PM.
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12-26-2011 , 12:08 PM
Using Flopzilla 1.5.2, I have this situation :

range : QQ-JJ,AKo-AJo,QJo,AKs-AJs,QJs

board : AhQcJd7s

dead cards : AcKd

I get different results comparing a Qx or Jx river :

- different equities : the Jx river results in a 88.46/11.54 % equity, while a Qx river results in a 65.39/34.61 % equity

- different stats distribution in the stats section : the Jx river results in 3.85% quads, 50% full house, 23.1% 2 pairs, 23.1% "top pair", while the Qx river results in 3.85% quads, 50% full house and 46.2 % "top pair"

The stats distribution is a small problem; but I can't get my head around the different equities results.
The resulting equities calculations are the same on other software (Pokerstove, etc).

What am I missing here ?
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12-26-2011 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Michel.be
Using Flopzilla 1.5.2, I have this situation :

range : QQ-JJ,AKo-AJo,QJo,AKs-AJs,QJs

board : AhQcJd7s

dead cards : AcKd

I get different results comparing a Qx or Jx river :

- different equities : the Jx river results in a 88.46/11.54 % equity, while a Qx river results in a 65.39/34.61 % equity

- different stats distribution in the stats section : the Jx river results in 3.85% quads, 50% full house, 23.1% 2 pairs, 23.1% "top pair", while the Qx river results in 3.85% quads, 50% full house and 46.2 % "top pair"

The stats distribution is a small problem; but I can't get my head around the different equities results.
The resulting equities calculations are the same on other software (Pokerstove, etc).

What am I missing here ?
Hi Michel,

I'm having some trouble reproducing this.

Could you please post the save data here?
To get this data, in the menu go to "Save/load->Forum/e-mail output".
Please post that text string here.




Edit: Oh wait. I got it now. The reason is that when the river is a Q that AJ no longer beats AK.
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12-26-2011 , 12:53 PM
damn, so obvious , lol
thanks, scylla

Nonetheless, what about the different stats section results ?

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Originally Posted by Michel.be
- different stats distribution in the stats section : the Jx river results in 3.85% quads, 50% full house, 23.1% 2 pairs, 23.1% "top pair", while the Qx river results in 3.85% quads, 50% full house and 46.2 % "top pair"
[Flopzilla v1.5.2]
[Use Ctrl+I to import into Flopzilla]
[www.cardrunners-ev-calculator.com/Flopzilla.html ]
[GUJxn1heL8AEWa7CDZglq9Z+MlpY36ZkDtlDQE0ftjAcAwCXNC]
[uNX8+DEnavMqIRpYpYBFe6PojbGEck3p4MXXA+OQzXdLznavDE]
[9b8+CXbZBanawhKKEXUzJkUzWZHFdi6Spudj0wgZtLRiKJ9Up4]
[9hp8FAhPVsTw7CoqsDUP84kodetDSCkFJORodQ9M7OcKL95YPK]
[Jw]
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12-26-2011 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Michel.be
damn, so obvious , lol
thanks, scylla

[Flopzilla v1.5.2]
[Use Ctrl+I to import into Flopzilla]
[www.cardrunners-ev-calculator.com/Flopzilla.html ]
[GUJxn1heL8AEWa7CDZglq9Z+MlpY36ZkDtlDQE0ftjAcAwCXNC]
[uNX8+DEnavMqIRpYpYBFe6PojbGEck3p4MXXA+OQzXdLznavDE]
[9b8+CXbZBanawhKKEXUzJkUzWZHFdi6Spudj0wgZtLRiKJ9Up4]
[9hp8FAhPVsTw7CoqsDUP84kodetDSCkFJORodQ9M7OcKL95YPK]
[Jw]


Nonetheless, what about the different stats section results ?
On a J river AQ is 2 pair.
But on a Q river AJ is considered to be top pair instead of 2 pair.

This is a matter of definition; the pair on the board is not counted as being a part of the hand.
And, for example, a highcard on a AQJ7Q board is considered a highcard instead of "one pair".
Technically you have one pair of course, but ... who are we kidding, right?
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12-31-2011 , 06:02 AM
nvm 3rd times the charm I guess

Last edited by d2themfi; 12-31-2011 at 06:20 AM.
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01-02-2012 , 10:01 PM
Grunching but is anyone aware of any videos/series about this tool or maybe even just using this tool on any of the training sites?

Edit: I'm aware there's a video manual but was thinking more about a video that doesn't explain the tool but rather how/why to use it etc...kind of like Mathew Janda's Flopzilla series on CR
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01-03-2012 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by clowntable
Grunching but is anyone aware of any videos/series about this tool or maybe even just using this tool on any of the training sites?

Edit: I'm aware there's a video manual but was thinking more about a video that doesn't explain the tool but rather how/why to use it etc...kind of like Mathew Janda's Flopzilla series on CR
d2themfi on Leggopoker.com uses CREV in his videos.
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01-03-2012 , 07:12 PM
I am having a crashing problem in CREV when I press the "check" button on the turn. This seems to have happened twice now and it is annoying to lose all of my work.
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01-04-2012 , 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Imrahil
I am having a crashing problem in CREV when I press the "check" button on the turn. This seems to have happened twice now and it is annoying to lose all of my work.
I'll look into the issue, but if you get a crash, just press the "restore" button in the startup screen.
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01-04-2012 , 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
I'll look into the issue, but if you get a crash, just press the "restore" button in the startup screen.
OK great, thanks for the tip. It says that CREV has stopped responding when the problem happens.
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01-04-2012 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Imrahil
OK great, thanks for the tip. It says that CREV has stopped responding when the problem happens.
Fun fact: This could be in a zillion places in the code . And it's only when you check?
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01-04-2012 , 11:36 AM
I just started playing around with CREV and i just want to double check if i interpret the results in a correct way:



I made 2 different trees - one for turn bet/broke and one for c/raise. Now i want to know which strategy has the higher EV given all assumptions.

Am i correct that the overall strategy of bet/calling the Turn has an EV of 103,31$, c/raising the Turn only 85,10$ and 103 > 85 therefore bet/calling strategy is "better" ?
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