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10-28-2011 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Ninja666
Hello,

I would like to ask you one thing:

How to add specific EV for specific branch?

Example:

I solve 3b/5b shove situation and i don't want to solve branch where opponent will call my 3b (don't want to solve postflop) so i will plug expected EV from my database. How to do that?

I guess i could achieve that with Checkdown and playing with percentage but I don't know how to do that.

Thanx.

Such an option is not available, but I'll see if I can add it.

The solution
For now, I cán give you the following solution:

Let's say that BB raises to 9.
Instead of calling, let SB raise to 9 plus some tiny amount, such as 9.01.
After that, the pot becomes $18.01 and the action is on BB.

Let's say that you want to achieve a postflop EV of $7.
$7 is $7/$18.01*100=39% of the total pot.
Make BB reraise 39% of the time, after which sb folds.
The remaining times bb folds.

With this trick you've achieved that bb is getting 39% of the pot.





A more general solution using variables
The solution above will no longer work if for example you wish to vary BB's 3bet size.
Another disadvantage is that you need to calculate which percentage $7 is compared to the pot size.

For this, go to the variables menu (it's the XY icon) and enter:
#1: 9
#2: =#1+0.01
#3: 7
#4: =#3/P*100

Now, edit BB's raise size and make this #1.
Make SBs raise to 9.01 size #2.
Make the weight for BB's raise all in #4.

Now, the tree will automatically adapt to BB's 3bet size.
Also, if you want to achieve some postflop EV, you can just go to the variables menu and change variable #3.

Go here for a savefile.
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10-28-2011 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by oracle3001
I am wondering how you can do the following...

Given I don't know the Flop / Turn / River i.e looking at a very very general case. I have set the villain to be betting any flush draw on the Turn 75% of the time (along with other types of hands such as top pair, but they are separate conditions). Now I want to say that villain with bluff the river with his missed flush draw say 40% of the time.

I first thought it might be Weight = 40%, Hand Value = Highcard & Board Texture = Flush not come, but the villain hand value = highcard doesn't necessarily mean they missed their flush draw as it could be a different flush draw that has run out on the board.
Easiest way to solve this would be to specifiy that you hold a suited hand of the suit heart (for heart flushdraws of course).
For this, in the postflop menu, go to the holecards tab, select suited: yes and under suits the appropriate suit(s).
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10-28-2011 , 11:04 AM
Hello Scylla,

I submitted a paypal payment yesterday to register Flopzilla and Cardrunners EV on a second computer. I also emailed my machine ID to the cardrunners ev address. I believe the payment went though so I just looking to get the keys as soon as possible. Thanks.
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10-28-2011 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Kosh1969
Hello Scylla,

I submitted a paypal payment yesterday to register Flopzilla and Cardrunners EV on a second computer. I also emailed my machine ID to the cardrunners ev address. I believe the payment went though so I just looking to get the keys as soon as possible. Thanks.
I did send the keys yesterday, but it appears something went wrong.
I've just sent you the keys from the alternate adres.
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10-28-2011 , 12:32 PM
Thanx for answer Scylla. Anyway that workarround is complicated so it would be great if u would add that feature. There is a lot of situations where part of exercise was solved before and u dont want to make tree there so u can add specific value.

Also i want to ask one more question:
As an example u gave me that screenshot http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/d...7/flatting.jpg
I c that u added preflop Fold branches. Why did you do that? I think in your video you told that it will take montecarlo trials so it wastes resources i would say.

Thnx for explanation.
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10-28-2011 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Ninja666
Thanx for answer Scylla. Anyway that workarround is complicated so it would be great if u would add that feature. There is a lot of situations where part of exercise was solved before and u dont want to make tree there so u can add specific value.

Also i want to ask one more question:
As an example u gave me that screenshot http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/d...7/flatting.jpg
I c that u added preflop Fold branches. Why did you do that? I think in your video you told that it will take montecarlo trials so it wastes resources i would say.

Thnx for explanation.
In the tree I used it was:
- heads up
- no postflop play on an unknown flop

Because of this, the math engine will work and the mc one isn't used.
Whether you add the folds or not will not affect anything.
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10-28-2011 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Easiest way to solve this would be to specifiy that you hold a suited hand of the suit heart (for heart flushdraws of course).
For this, in the postflop menu, go to the holecards tab, select suited: yes and under suits the appropriate suit(s).
But that wont include cases for instance when a 3 flush comes on the turn, giving hero / villian a one card flush draw, that they may or may not make on the river.
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10-29-2011 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by oracle3001
But that wont include cases for instance when a 3 flush comes on the turn, giving hero / villian a one card flush draw, that they may or may not make on the river.
Ok, I thought you meant something else then.
Could you give a specific example of a situation what you're looking for?
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10-30-2011 , 06:51 AM
Hey Scylla,

I've been thinking of getting flopzilla for a while now and have finally come to the conclusion that it's worth the price. As far as I understand there's no linux version of the program, so my question is, do you have any idea if it's going to run smoothly on linux with WINE (I have ubuntu 10.04).

Also is there a free trial? I'd hate to part with my money only to find out that I cannot run it on my computer.

Thanks
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10-30-2011 , 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by stuck@micros.lol
Hey Scylla,

I've been thinking of getting flopzilla for a while now and have finally come to the conclusion that it's worth the price. As far as I understand there's no linux version of the program, so my question is, do you have any idea if it's going to run smoothly on linux with WINE (I have ubuntu 10.04).

Also is there a free trial? I'd hate to part with my money only to find out that I cannot run it on my computer.

Thanks
Yes, there's a trial version, so you can try for yourself if you can get it to run with WINE.
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11-01-2011 , 07:49 AM
Hey Scylla,

today when I run CREV I got an error:

"the licence is no longer valid. if this is in error contact support...

error code 512831"

On the bottom right I still see the "registered version" image.
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11-01-2011 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Azalin
Hey Scylla,

today when I run CREV I got an error:

"the licence is no longer valid. if this is in error contact support...

error code 512831"

On the bottom right I still see the "registered version" image.
Yikes!
Slight screwup by me.
Please try again.
And my apologies for the inconvenience.
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11-01-2011 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Yikes!
Slight screwup by me.
Please try again.
And my apologies for the inconvenience.
Everything is OK now. Scylla you are the best (and not only for fixing this issue). Keep up the good work.
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11-03-2011 , 11:58 AM
No questions. Just want to give you props for doing such a good job!
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11-09-2011 , 03:43 PM
hi scylla
another very trivial question. I have entered the following very simple tree ;
sb and BB HU
blinds 10/20
stacks 500 each SB open shoves 22 BB calls with A4s+, K9s+, QTs, KTo, A5o and any PP and fold the rest
result+EV +8.81 for 22. I cannot reproduce this by hand
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11-09-2011 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by genher
hi scylla
another very trivial question. I have entered the following very simple tree ;
sb and BB HU
blinds 10/20
stacks 500 each SB open shoves 22 BB calls with A4s+, K9s+, QTs, KTo, A5o and any PP and fold the rest
result+EV +8.81 for 22. I cannot reproduce this by hand
Hi Genher,

Situation 1: BB calls
SB's equity versus BB's calling range is 42.754%.
When he wins, he'll win $510 ($500 from BB and the other $10 was his own)
When he loses, he'll lose his remaining $490.

His EV for when BB calls is therefore:
42.754%*$510-(100%-42.754%)*$490=-$62.46

Situation 2: BB folds
Sb wins the $30 pot.


The whole picture
Situation 1 occurs 22.9% of the time.
Situation 2 occurs 77.1% of the time.

Total EV=22.9%*-62.46+77.1%*30=$8.83.

The two cent difference is due to rounding.
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11-09-2011 , 04:45 PM
thanks I am an idiot. I made the same mistake as before and used the equity apearing under the SB. One day I will learn

One think I also meant to ask you: can you tell me (or send me link to somewhere you have already, no doubt, explained it) about the strategy SB strategy BB above the tree, I have never been able to find it in the manual and I can't make sens of it (well I have an idea ...but I don't get the numbers)

Thanks again for the great support
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11-09-2011 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by genher
thanks I am an idiot. I made the same mistake as before and used the equity apearing under the SB. One day I will learn

One think I also meant to ask you: can you tell me (or send me link to somewhere you have already, no doubt, explained it) about the strategy SB strategy BB above the tree, I have never been able to find it in the manual and I can't make sens of it (well I have an idea ...but I don't get the numbers)

Thanks again for the great support
It's the expected value of their strategies prior to posting.
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11-16-2011 , 03:17 AM
Hello.

I am seeing that in flopzilla all made hands section add up to 100%. However, I saw a training video about continuation ranges, where the coach (Split) added the flush and straight draws percentages to the made hands pertcentages he was interested. Is that the right thing to do? An example. If we, say, face a villain that is calling on the flop top pair and above, which in certain scenario represents 28% of his range, but also calls with flush and straight draws, both representing 12% of his range on flopzilla, is it correct to say that villain continues with 40% of his range? Do they belong to the "no made hand" category and that's why you can add them, or should I do some further calculation to weight his draws?
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11-16-2011 , 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Watanarse
I am seeing that in flopzilla all made hands section add up to 100%. However, I saw a training video about continuation ranges, where the coach (Split) added the flush and straight draws percentages to the made hands pertcentages he was interested. Is that the right thing to do? An example. If we, say, face a villain that is calling on the flop top pair and above, which in certain scenario represents 28% of his range, but also calls with flush and straight draws, both representing 12% of his range on flopzilla, is it correct to say that villain continues with 40% of his range?
No, there could be an overlap between the draws and the made hands.

When you filter for top pair and above and flushdraws, then any hand that meets either of those filter conditions will make it passed the filters. There could of course still be hands that are both flushdraws ánd top pair.

To see the overlap, move you mouse over the flushdraw stat. Now the statistics section will only show the hands that are flushdraws. The hands that now also show up under (for example) top pair, will be top pair ánd flushdraw.
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11-18-2011 , 03:09 PM
Is there anyway to specify the backdoor nut flush draw? So say the board is J 9 2 and I want my opponent to c/r any A he has. How would I go about doing that?

Thanks
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11-18-2011 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Imrahil
Is there anyway to specify the backdoor nut flush draw? So say the board is J 9 2 and I want my opponent to c/r any A he has. How would I go about doing that?

Thanks
Easiest way would be go to the holecards section, click on the range button and enter Ad. Under Suited select No (otherwise flushes would also be included).
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11-18-2011 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Easiest way would be go to the holecards section, click on the range button and enter Ad. Under Suited select No (otherwise flushes would also be included).
That worked. Thanks a lot.
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11-19-2011 , 06:35 AM
I would love to be able to modify my tree while the sample window is open then re-run the previous sample again to see if I fixed the result.

Oh and also, what about being able to generate a sample run from a specific point in the hand?

Last edited by Imrahil; 11-19-2011 at 07:03 AM.
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11-19-2011 , 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Imrahil
I would love to be able to modify my tree while the sample window is open then re-run the previous sample again to see if I fixed the result.
When a window is open, all clicks and such are forwarded to that window. I could change that, but it's probably going to result in all sorts of issues. I'd prefer not to mess with it.

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Originally Posted by Imrahil
Oh and also, what about being able to generate a sample run from a specific point in the hand?
Press F10 to set a checkpoint and click the decision/endpoint where you want to see a sample run. All sample runs will now go through that checkpoint.
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