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07-11-2011 , 03:35 AM
can i pay those 90 bucks via PokerStars transfer?
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07-11-2011 , 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by eQuadro
can i pay those 90 bucks via PokerStars transfer?
I'm afraid PokerStars no longer allows p2p transfers for non-gaming purposes.
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07-11-2011 , 04:02 PM
My multi conditions are no longer showing in the software when I right-click, but they are in the conditions folder.
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07-11-2011 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Komaroff
My multi conditions are no longer showing in the software when I right-click, but they are in the conditions folder.
Could you zip your conditions folder and mail it to support please?
I'll have a look if perhaps a file is corrupted.

Edit: Oh wait, please try running as admin. In order to do so, rightclick the program's icon and select "run as administrator".
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07-11-2011 , 07:13 PM
Scylla,

Is there any way of showing the EV of each specific decision ?
For example, if BTN raises, calls or folds, can I know specifically what is the EV of raising or the EV of calling ?

Are there any plans to add maximum exploitative plays for 3-way+ situations ? And how about adding what kind of ranges (two pair, one pair ...) it is optimum for each decision node ?

Along with that, if would be very nice if there was a way to filter by flop textures and show the EV for each kind of texture, being the textures customizable.

I think I've read that you are going to implement this but either way it would be really nice if we could save a set of conditions for post-flop play and reach them easily. Something close to what is possible to do with the pre-flop ranges.

It would also be pretty nice if we could copy and paste entire trees in 3-way+ situations.


If any of these things are already implemented could you give me a tip on how to do it ?


I really really liked the program. Congratz for the amazing work.
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07-11-2011 , 07:50 PM
I think I've read that you are going to implement this but either way it would be really nice if we could save a set of conditions for post-flop play and reach them easily. Something close to what is possible to do with the pre-flop ranges.


I see that there is a way to do it individually, but is there a way to do it in groups ? For example for spots that I want to do a certain action with >=2p and also with fd(1).

Thanks
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07-11-2011 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by joaoavf
I think I've read that you are going to implement this but either way it would be really nice if we could save a set of conditions for post-flop play and reach them easily. Something close to what is possible to do with the pre-flop ranges.


I see that there is a way to do it individually, but is there a way to do it in groups ? For example for spots that I want to do a certain action with >=2p and also with fd(1).

Thanks
Move your mouse over "add condition" and rightclick.
This will bring up the multi-condition menu.
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07-11-2011 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by joaoavf
Is there any way of showing the EV of each specific decision ?
For example, if BTN raises, calls or folds, can I know specifically what is the EV of raising or the EV of calling ?
The EV of an entire decision is written directly below the decision node.
To get the EV of an individual action, move your mouse over its name.
The EV is shown in one of the lines in the popup that comes up.


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Are there any plans to add maximum exploitative plays for 3-way+ situations ?
No, although it ís possible to use a delete action to make one player appear to be multiple players. This may actually come close to what you're looking for.

See the picture below.
One player raises with his top 37.5% of hands and folds the remaining 62.5%.
If two players were to have this range, between them they would only fold 62.5%*62.5%=39% of the time and hold a top 37.5% hand 61% of the time.
By adding a "delete all hands" action between the raise and fold action, and giving it a certain weight you can make this one player appear to be two players. The "delete" action will artificially remove some of the "folded" hands, thus boosting the chances of holding a top 37.5% hand. I found the 60% weight for the delete action by experimentation.



In this manner, the math tool will still be functional, while you "kind of" have multiple players in the tree. This will allow you to get around the monte carlo engine, thus allowing for analysis such as unexploitable shoving.


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Originally Posted by joaoavf
And how about adding what kind of ranges (two pair, one pair ...) it is optimum for each decision node ?
If you perform analysis such as unexploitable shoving and move your mouse over the shove condition (or the condition which calls the shove) an extra popup field will give you a rough breakdown of what the shoving (or calling) range consists out of.

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Along with that, if would be very nice if there was a way to filter by flop textures and show the EV for each kind of texture, being the textures customizable.
It's possible to select flop textures under the "board texture" tab of the postflop menu. With some trickery, what you're looking for can be accomplished.

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It would also be pretty nice if we could copy and paste entire trees in 3-way+ situations.
Technically this is a bit hard to do, since there's WAY too many situations where this will go wrong.
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07-12-2011 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla

Edit: Oh wait, please try running as admin. In order to do so, rightclick the program's icon and select "run as administrator".
I use Vista so I always run as admin. Just send you the email.
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07-13-2011 , 07:37 PM
Hi Scylla, I haven't used CeV for this so was hoping you could help me solve this problem:

In a tournament, assuming I'm in the BB (so no action behind), far from the money, villain shoves his short stack with a given range of hands. Can CeV be used to determine the the ideal calling range for a given set of pot odds (ie via a chart)?

Thanks. In the Main Event right now and want to do some last minute calculating before tomorrow
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07-13-2011 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by YoureToast
Hi Scylla, I haven't used CeV for this so was hoping you could help me solve this problem:

In a tournament, assuming I'm in the BB (so no action behind), far from the money, villain shoves his short stack with a given range of hands. Can CeV be used to determine the the ideal calling range for a given set of pot odds (ie via a chart)?

Thanks. In the Main Event right now and want to do some last minute calculating before tomorrow
Yes, absolutely.
Just enter the situation and call with all hands.
In the EV popup the +EV hands will be green, the -EV ones red.

This still doesn't mean you should always call the smallish +EV ones though. Folding gives you the certainty of still being in the tournament to take advantage of future, bigger edges.

If you feel
- you have an edge over the table
- you have a bigger edge in steal situations
- other players are so terrible that there's value in folding and let them kill each other off
you may be better off passing on small edges so that you're still alive to take advantage of future opportunities. On the other hand, if you're at a skill disadvantage or if steal situations aren't profitable, then just go with the smallish edges as well.


Edit: Anyone feel free to chime in with advise of course
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07-13-2011 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Yes, absolutely.
Just enter the situation and call with all hands.
In the EV popup the +EV hands will be green, the -EV ones red.

This still doesn't mean you should always call the smallish +EV ones though. Folding gives you the certainty of still being in the tournament to take advantage of future, bigger edges.

If you feel
- you have an edge over the table
- you have a bigger edge in steal situations
- other players are so terrible that there's value in folding and let them kill each other off
you may be better off passing on small edges so that you're still alive to take advantage of future opportunities. On the other hand, if you're at a skill disadvantage or if steal situations aren't profitable, then just go with the smallish edges as well.


Edit: Anyone feel free to chime in with advise of course
Actually, though what I'm looking for is to be able to graph this so that I can determine my appropriate +EV range for different pot odds (or shoving amounts), but with a static shoving range of my opponent.

Example: Whats my calling range when villain shoves $5000 into a $1500 pot, or $5000 into a $3000 pot, etc....ie using variables on my pot odds (or on the shove + pot amount vs. my calling amount). Solving for my range in this spot. Assumption is a static shoving range. Looking to use the graph feature for this.

Does that make sense?
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07-13-2011 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by YoureToast
Actually, though what I'm looking for is to be able to graph this so that I can determine my appropriate +EV range for different pot odds (or shoving amounts), but with a static shoving range of my opponent.

Example: Whats my calling range when villain shoves $5000 into a $1500 pot, or $5000 into a $3000 pot, etc....ie using variables on my pot odds (or on the shove + pot amount vs. my calling amount). Solving for my range in this spot. Assumption is a static shoving range. Looking to use the graph feature for this.

Does that make sense?
Ah, you'll have to do this manually.
Deleting -EV hands is not an automated process within the creation of graphs.
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07-17-2011 , 04:48 PM
hi Scylla, your mailbox is full.
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07-17-2011 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ziew
hi Scylla, your mailbox is full.
It seems to be working for me.
Possibly the server was down for a few minutes.
Please try again.
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07-18-2011 , 02:52 PM
Hi!
Thank you for great tool!

Can you add the possibility to save the tournament properties to the different files?
That file could be opened from ICM tool as well.

It will help a lot.
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07-19-2011 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by kmichael
Hi!
Thank you for great tool!

Can you add the possibility to save the tournament properties to the different files?
That file could be opened from ICM tool as well.

It will help a lot.
Yes, I think i can do that.
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07-21-2011 , 01:49 AM
I have a question, when using layers on turn for example, how can I copy paste the whole tree after a certain point from one layer to another?

Thanx
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07-21-2011 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Hydrant
I have a question, when using layers on turn for example, how can I copy paste the whole tree after a certain point from one layer to another?

Thanx
Yes you can.
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07-24-2011 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Yes you can.
how do I do that?
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07-24-2011 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Hydrant
how do I do that?
Sorry, didn't realize you meant hów to do it; I asumed you were evaluating the software in trial mode.
To copy/paste a whole subtree use Ctrl+Alt+C and Ctrl+Alt+V.
This only works if there's at most two players in the tree.
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07-24-2011 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Sorry, didn't realize you meant hów to do it; I asumed you were evaluating the software in trial mode.
To copy/paste a whole subtree use Ctrl+Alt+C and Ctrl+Alt+V.
This only works if there's at most two players in the tree.
Thanks, saved me a lot of time now I thought I saw that in the video and I tried to find it rewinding the video back and forth but without luck.
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07-24-2011 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Hydrant
Thanks, saved me a lot of time now I thought I saw that in the video and I tried to find it rewinding the video back and forth but without luck.
The start of the video has an index with approximate times when certain subjects are discussed. I think it's in there. In fact, I think I'll add a list of the contents on the website.
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07-27-2011 , 02:23 PM
hey there,

i love the tools so far (have just started to play with it) but avira thinks there is spyware in the program. "Flopzilla_T.exe = TR/Spy.2707456.5" it is the trail version from the offical website (http://www.cardrunners-ev-calculator.com/Home.html) have had wrong warnings before. but couldnīt find anything in this tread.

comments?
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07-27-2011 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by narayan_something
hey there,

i love the tools so far (have just started to play with it) but avira thinks there is spyware in the program. "Flopzilla_T.exe = TR/Spy.2707456.5" it is the trail version from the offical website (http://www.cardrunners-ev-calculator.com/Home.html) have had wrong warnings before. but couldnīt find anything in this tread.

comments?
Yes, virustotal is detecting 8/43 false positives.
http://www.virustotal.com/file-scan/...c12-1311782252

I'm currently working on the new update and will post that in about 24 hours.
That should get rid of the issue.

Normally I'd post a fix right now, but considering that I'm almost done with the new version I suppose it would be a bit overkill.
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