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A n00b question probably, but I'll still ask it.

It says that the cost is $99 and that ''Registration will allow you to run the software on one computer. An second license to run on two computers costs $55.''.

What happens if I buy one license, install the program on my computer and the computer breaks and can't be repaired? Do I need to buy the program again, or is there a different solution?

Thanks.

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05-08-2011 , 01:45 PM

#1653

funkyj

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Originally Posted by funkyj

I'm firing up CREV again after not having used it for a long time so this is probably a stupid question ...

I'm baffled by the EV result showed for a node on the tree.

In my HH tree, the node I'm looking at only has the action "checkdown all hands".

On this node, CREV says:

pot: 10.5
to call: 4.00
odds: 2.63
stack: 98.50
EQ: 34.8%
EV:2.18

shouldn't EV here just be (14.5 * .348 - 4) =~ 1.05?

i.e. EV = pot * equity - call (since we are in checkdown mode).

When I click the relative/absolute button I see $:1.12 instead. This is close to my 1.05 value but I would expect accounting for rake makes the CREV higher, not lower?

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Originally Posted by scylla

Could you mail the savefile please?

done ...

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Originally Posted by scylla email

Ah, ok.
When using checkdown function, all uncalled bets are returned before checking down.
So that makes the pot 6.50 and your equity is 34.8%.
34.8% of $6.50 is $2.26.
The $2.18 the program gives is due to the rake.

OK, I misunderstood the checkdown option. I changed the tree so that BB calls on the flop and then I select checkdown on the turn.

With this change, I'm now seeing EV: 0.87 (for the BB flop call) which is much closer to my ~1.05 above but still quite a ways off the value I calculate. It does not seem like either rake or rakeback can account for the 0.18 difference.

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05-08-2011 , 02:38 PM

#1654

scylla

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Originally Posted by funkyj

done ...

OK, I misunderstood the checkdown option. I changed the tree so that BB calls on the flop and then I select checkdown on the turn.

With this change, I'm now seeing EV: 0.87 (for the BB flop call) which is much closer to my ~1.05 above but still quite a ways off the value I calculate. It does not seem like either rake or rakeback can account for the 0.18 difference.

Actually, when I set rake to 0% (click the "blinds" button in the lower left) the $0.87 doés change to $1.05, so the difference in rake is the factor that causes this difference.

Some math:
You've set rake at 5% and rakeback at 30%, so rake comes down to 3.5%.
The pot after the call is $14.5 and 3.5% of $14.5 is $0.51.
Since your equity is 34.8%, 34.8% of this $0.51 will be contributed by you.
34.8% of $0.51 is $0.18.

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05-08-2011 , 03:25 PM

#1655

funkyj

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Originally Posted by scylla

Wow, that is what I get for being lazy! It is counter intuitive that 3.5% rake translates to hero getting 17% less EV (0.87 vs 1.05).

I realize that on the poker sites, they display in real time, the money that is already set aside for rake but when I see a total pot of $14.5 on the flop (after BB calls), this is before rake and rakeback.

Your idea of setting rake and rakeback to 0 is a good one. I should do this when I'm having trouble following the math, then add it back in once I understand the simple case.

Thank you for your patience

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05-08-2011 , 06:27 PM

#1656

UCBananaboy

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Originally Posted by MartL

Hey i watched the tutorial videos and thought i would have a look on CR to see if there were anymore videos to do with the software. Ive just seen theres one coming out in a few days time. Is this going to be different from the previous videos?

First of a few vids is out:

http://www.cardrunners.com/poker-vid...part-1-scylla/

We'll have part 2 next week.

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05-09-2011 , 01:01 PM

#1657

Stu_the_kid_Ungar

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Originally Posted by UCBananaboy

First of a few vids is out:

http://www.cardrunners.com/poker-vid...part-1-scylla/

We'll have part 2 next week.

The question was is it different to the videos of Scylla's own site.

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05-09-2011 , 05:16 PM

#1658

scylla

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Originally Posted by Stu_the_kid_Ungar

The question was is it different to the videos of Scylla's own site.

It's the updated version.
The videos that I'm currently linking to are about two years old.
Quite a lot of new functionality has been added since then.
The basics are still the same of course.

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05-10-2011 , 04:34 PM

#1659

funkyj

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Originally Posted by scylla

It's the updated version.
The videos that I'm currently linking to are about two years old.
Quite a lot of new functionality has been added since then.
The basics are still the same of course.

Am I, as a CREV owner, able to get access to the new videos without a current CR subscription?

EDIT: I'm at work so I can't actually try to watch the video and see what happens. Sorry if the above is a stupid question ...

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05-10-2011 , 05:06 PM

#1660

scylla

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Originally Posted by funkyj

I'll have to check ...

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05-11-2011 , 09:39 AM

#1661

multiverse

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Do you take FullTilt transfer as payment?

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05-11-2011 , 10:42 AM

#1662

scylla

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Originally Posted by multiverse

Do you take FullTilt transfer as payment?

Yes, I've decided to take a gamble there.

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05-13-2011 , 06:20 PM

#1663

Snook

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Why does it say 'Flopzilla - $25' on the Flopzilla page but when you click on the blue 'download' link to the right of it it takes you to a page stating the cost is $99?

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05-13-2011 , 07:11 PM

#1664

scylla

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Originally Posted by Snook

Why does it say 'Flopzilla - $25' on the Flopzilla page but when you click on the blue 'download' link to the right of it it takes you to a page stating the cost is $99?

The blue download button is for the CardRunners EV calculator.
All the green ones are for Flopzilla.

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05-13-2011 , 09:37 PM

#1665

Snook

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Ah my bad, cheers for clearing it up.

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05-17-2011 , 05:26 AM

#1666

Ezzalor

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It seems weird that my share of the rake would be calculated by my equity in the pot. Is this realistic?
I guess my previous assumption was that I'd chop the rake with the other player in a HU pot even though my range only has lets say 25% vs his range.

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05-17-2011 , 08:50 AM

#1667

scylla

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Originally Posted by Ezzalor

If you win the pot 25% of the time then you will be the one paying the rake 25% of the time.

If you win 0% of the time then you pay no rake.

If you win 100% of the time then your opponent pays no rake.

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05-17-2011 , 12:53 PM

#1668

Ezzalor

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Ok. Didn't know it worked that way. Had previously thought both players contribute equally much to the rake part of the pot without regards to who wins it.
But yeah, guess I know now instead : )

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05-19-2011 , 09:41 AM

#1669

scylla

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Hi guys,

It appears the website is down.
I've called the hosting service and apparently it's going to take about 24 hours to resolve.
For now you can go to the alternate website www.crevtest.nl.
It's a slightly older version of the website, but it should do for now.

Also, support will unfortunately not be available at the normal adres.
For support, please mail crev_flopzilla@hotmail.com.

Sorry about the inconvenience.

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05-19-2011 , 12:16 PM

#1670

akai333

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HI,
I wanted to acquire the software but had some doubt
Just wanted to ask if cash transfers to scylla76 will still work on fulltilt ....after black friday that is

If not what are the alternative ways of making payments

p.s. PMing too cos this is a very old thread

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05-19-2011 , 02:41 PM

#1671

scylla

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Originally Posted by akai333

Hi,

I'm afraid I've removed Full Tilt for now.

For registration instructions for CardRunnersEV go here:
http://www.cardrunners-ev-calculator.com/Register.html

For Flopzilla go here:
http://www.cardrunners-ev-calculator...Flopzilla.html

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05-29-2011 , 02:13 AM

#1672

funkyj

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FYI: my opening screen in the bottom right says:

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Commercial Version
for support got to www.stoxev.com

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05-29-2011 , 07:33 AM

#1673

scylla

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Originally Posted by funkyj

FYI: my opening screen in the bottom right says:

Yeah

Failed to notice that when doing the crossover, noticed it later but keep forgetting to correct that.

Thank for noticing!

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05-31-2011 , 07:21 AM

#1674

not2secure4u

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Hey,

I wanted to see how well a hand (range) does against a different flop (like 50/50 on flop xxx, 60/40 on flop xxx).

I would like to find a program were I can preset some different flop situations and do calcs from there.

Wich would suit me best ? flopzilla or CR EV ? (I play HU)

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05-31-2011 , 07:48 AM

#1675

scylla

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Originally Posted by not2secure4u

The easiest approach would probably be to have a look at Flopzilla, since it will tell you how certain ranges hit certain boards, it can perform the necessary equity calculations and offers the necessary filters.

If after that you feel you require more in depth research, the decision tree approach of CardRunnersEV will probably offer what you're looking for. It will do any possibly EV calculation you're looking for within the tree.

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