We can consider it, but please observe that, as long as you play perfectly, bet sizing has virtually no influence on your overall EV.
Your performance when using the worst bet sizing is surprisingly close to when using optimal bet sizing.

This as opposed to the influence of the quality of your play; even small mistakes can lead to a huge drop in EV.

The effect of using perfect bet sizing will be completely nullified by even the smallest mistakes in your strategy.
Whereas huge mistakes in bet sizing will have almost no influence, as long as you're playing a perfect strategy.

From a human perspective, I don't believe much can be gained by focussing on bet sizing.

The recommendation is to keep them all checked, so that "Max exploit" is performed on the entire tree.

if im wrong in anything please tellme, thanks!



I agree with you that the most important thing on a human level is not finding the correct sizing where the EV between one size and another may not be so relevant in some scenarios, but I disagree that this also happens in real life, and in certain theoretical/study-related aspects.

Firstly, if we construct simple trees with only one sizing and we want to emulate a supposed situation of how my stake plays (according to size), if I were to choose only a single option, the one that pleases me, that strategy I studied (limiting to one sizing) won't be applicable because defenses change based on different sizes.

Then, if in an SPR of 15 I only play B50% on all streets and I don't have the bet size to go all-in against a complete range of bluffcatchers, I'm losing EV.

The interaction of ranges is extremely important and this fits very well with multiple bet sizes. Perhaps at B100% I can't value bet sets on a turn where I complete a flush and where the opponent's range may have a certain % of these, but I can bet B50% to deny equity and continue value betting that area.

Almost all players create "complex" trees in terms of sizings to find these things, heuristics, and not to study them... rather to memorize them. From these trees, we then create more simple solver-based strategies (sizes more correct according to RvR, SPR, EQR, EQD, etc.).

Having tools to make these trees more "readable" like the ones mentioned (prune tree) or locking a node so that it is not taken into account, but not merging bets, rather the possibility of solving that spot again, is fundamental when studying as they would help to "eliminate noise" and/or automate certain things when using the software.

Others, such as comparing ranges by adding "Equity buckets," are an excellent way to see the distribution of ranges in a simpler way.

That's why GTOW bought RuseIA, because its trees were/are extremely complex, only useful for explorations and deriving heuristics, but not for memorization or anything similar... there RuseIA solves this part by making everything much more "readable and digestible."

Actually, if they hadn't merged, the market would have gradually gone entirely to Ruse.



To conclude


The average NL Cash player utilizes between 2-4 sizings per street to construct trees and then "simplifies" to 1 or 2 sizes per street. This is the most common practice in the Poker community.

Among all mixed strategies, they choose the sizing or sizings that retain the most EV and make a node eligible that may use all options in a percentage, to 1 or 2 bet sizes (which would create a simpler, easier-to-read, and solver-oriented strategy).

Hello.

Question.

I am looking for tutorials to learn how to use GTO+ for MTTs. Does anyone have some tutorials? The official tutorials are good, but not for MTTs I think.

look here.

https://www.youtube.com/@SolverSchool/videos

As stated in post #14151, from a human perspective, any bet size will perform nearly the same as any other bet size.
The importance of quality of play is several orders of magnitude greater than that of bet sizing.
If your play is even slightly different from GTO, then the loss from that inaccuracy will be far greater than the loss from even the worst bet sizing strategy.

Thx for your tipp, but there are alomost only old vids with an old GTO+ version. Is GTO+ at all suitable for mtts?

GTO+ can handle the ICM conversions for MTT's.
This is demonstrated in this part of the video on the tree builder: https://youtu.be/yzROoc5iBec?t=85

scy how is it going?
GTO+ can work on what dedicated server operating systems?
Example Windows Server / ubuntu, etc?

GTO+ is software for Windows, so it requires that platform.
Should it ever be unclear whether GTO+ will run on a computer, then just download the trial version from the website.

I was thinking about renting a dedicated server for a certain time, that's why I was asking, I don't have access to one of these operating systems to try unfortunately

Hello. I finally purchased gto+ and couldn't be happier. Very nice software. Particularly enjoying the new(?) customisation features which by some fluke I managed to type in the exact hex (102 102 102) for the dark mode panels to create this nice floating matrix effect:

Yes, the colour customization has been added since v161, so it's indeed a pretty recent feature.

BTW which is the problem for making it available on MacOS?

Hello,
I have installed 1.6.1 beta, which turns out to be very buggy (entering values requires several attemps because the input zone remains available only a few seconds, impossible to change the flop, which is reset to the default flop afterwards, etc) and I would like to come back to teh stable version, i.e. 1.6.0, but the install process aborts because a more recent version is installed.
I have put everything to the trash but no way, probably a hidden file remains, which prevent me from downgrading, any help?
I am on Windows 11 ARM 64.

The flop will reset to the default flop because you're using the trial version.
If you active the software, then you can enter any flop.

I'm not familiar with the other bug that you're referring to (input zone remains available only a few seconds), but I'll see if I can reproduce it.

In regards to your immediate question, if you uninstall v161, then the installer for v161 should work for you.

Are there any plans to implement a feature in GTO+ that allows solver to play against itself and generate hand histories?
This feature would be very useful to be able to study GTO on H2N.

This is already possible.
For this, press CTRL and right-click on hero's field.

Other amazing update Scy. Thank you so much!

I did not know about this feature.
Thanks!
BTW, I have a question about a feature added in the new update.
How do I export the Aggregate reports of a turn to Riveraggregate.txt?

For this, just click on the "Output" icon.
You can then copy-paste the contents of the dialog.

I currently only have 6G of RAM. V152 is running good but is it possible to update with just this amount of RAM? Are the older version still available if I update and need to revert?

There's no significant increase in RAM usage between v152 and v163, so I would not expect any issues.

If you ever want to revert to an earlier version, then uninstall the current version.
After that, use the download link for the most current version, and alter the version number.

So, the most recent download is v163:
https: //londongto.s3-accelerate.amazonaws.com/GTO_v163_64bit.msi

And the corresponding link to v152 would be:
https: //londongto.s3-accelerate.amazonaws.com/GTO_v152_64bit.msi

If you're looking for a version for which the link doesn't work, then contact support, and we'll see if we can find it for you.

Thanks!

Works fine TY.