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01-05-2024 , 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Hairy Potter 69
Is it possible to take a node-locked strategy and copy it over to a secondary or 3rd bet size for that street? Also would you consider implementing a player profile exploit option?
I assume that you mean that you have a (nearly) empty action, and want to move the hands from a different action over to it?
For this, you can merge the hands in an action together.
See the screenshot below.
As for player profiles, we can consider it, although there's no objective manner for assigning a player type to a strategy.
There's really no verifiable method of offering such an option; it would just be our personal insight into how a certain player type would act.
Nearly every user would probably have a different opinion from any other person on how to do this.


Last edited by scylla; 01-05-2024 at 03:30 AM.
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01-05-2024 , 11:19 PM


What does the white writing on these blocks mean?



Why i cant see the distribution of actions for every turn when i select player 2 (IP player)?
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01-06-2024 , 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by TAKITO

What does the white writing on these blocks mean?

Why i cant see the distribution of actions for every turn when i select player 2 (IP player)?
The blocks contain the data for either equity/EV/frequency, depending on what the table is filtering for.
See the screenshot below.
The colour of the font is only in order to make it easier to read against its background.

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Originally Posted by TAKITO
Why i cant see the distribution of actions for every turn when i select player 2 (IP player)?
Player 1 is the active player for the selected decision.
In this decision, player 2 will not have any actions.

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01-06-2024 , 01:02 PM
Yoyo

I just noticed that if I export a flop to flopzilla and change one flopcard, the ranges don't regain the combo's that were subtracted because of the old flop.

For example:
I export KQ9 and change it to KQ8 in flopzilla. All the 9x in the range will be as if the old flopcard (9) was a dead card.
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01-06-2024 , 02:06 PM
Hi Scylla,

would it be possible to "visual lock" certain hand categories on the flop to see how their strategy changes on turn and rivers?
What I mean is to let the lock feature (press F9) that only shows the selected hand category to also work between multiple streets
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01-06-2024 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SelfishGhost
Hi Scylla,
would it be possible to "visual lock" certain hand categories on the flop to see how their strategy changes on turn and rivers?
What I mean is to let the lock feature (press F9) that only shows the selected hand category to also work between multiple streets
I think that it would be tricky to get this to work in practice, but we'll take a look at it.
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01-06-2024 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by forevernewbie
Yoyo
I just noticed that if I export a flop to flopzilla and change one flopcard, the ranges don't regain the combo's that were subtracted because of the old flop.
For example:
I export KQ9 and change it to KQ8 in flopzilla. All the 9x in the range will be as if the old flopcard (9) was a dead card.
Yes, this is intentional.
Unless the decision that's being exported from is the very first decision for the player, we would have no way of assigning a weight to the removed hand.
I suppose that we could add an exception for these entry decisions though, so I'll make a note of it, and we'll change it for the next release.
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01-08-2024 , 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
I assume that you mean that you have a (nearly) empty action, and want to move the hands from a different action over to it?
For this, you can merge the hands in an action together.
See the screenshot below.
No, I meant can I take this node-locked range


and copy/import the strategy to a different bet size. I know it shows the strategy as sting and data graph. The idea is to copy over the strategy and then tweak a few hands instead of having to start from scratch.

Last edited by Hairy Potter 69; 01-08-2024 at 01:43 AM. Reason: writing is hard
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01-08-2024 , 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Hairy Potter 69
No, I meant can I take this node-locked range


and copy/import the strategy to a different bet size. I know it shows the strategy as sting and data graph. The idea is to copy over the strategy and then tweak a few hands instead of having to start from scratch.
You can copy/paste strategies between decisions by clicking on the "Export" icon and using "Copy to clipboard" and "Paste from clipboard".
So, go to the decision that you want to copy from, click on the "Export" icon, click on "Copy to clipboard".
Then, go to the decision that you want to copy to, click on the "Export" icon, click on "Paste from clipboard".
See the screenshot below.

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01-08-2024 , 09:11 AM
Hi Scylla,

is there a way to use GTO+ or flopzilla to tell us what percentage of hands in a preflop range contains say a 9? A means of doing a component wise matrix multiplication of a preflop range and a grouped range would be just as good.

Thanks
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01-08-2024 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Grothendieck
Hi Scylla,
is there a way to use GTO+ or flopzilla to tell us what percentage of hands in a preflop range contains say a 9? A means of doing a component wise matrix multiplication of a preflop range and a grouped range would be just as good.
Thanks
Both programs contain the "Apply groups to selection" menu, which allows you to subdivide any preflop range into any groups that you like.

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01-09-2024 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Both programs contain the "Apply groups to selection" menu, which allows you to subdivide any preflop range into any groups that you like.

Sorry, my question was not well stated. I'm trying to get a breakdown like in your pic but for all ranks. Unless I'm misunderstanding groups, I can't make a Ax group then a Kx group and so on because AK can only be in either the Ax group or Kx group so the count will be off.
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01-09-2024 , 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Grothendieck
Sorry, my question was not well stated. I'm trying to get a breakdown like in your pic but for all ranks. Unless I'm misunderstanding groups, I can't make a Ax group then a Kx group and so on because AK can only be in either the Ax group or Kx group so the count will be off.
There's no dedicated feature for this, but we can consider adding it as an optional display.
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01-09-2024 , 03:04 PM
Hello, I'm having an issue with river bet sizes. In the tree builder I input river bet sizes of 75% and 133% for the IP player, but in some solutions the solver ends up only having 1 river bet size for the IP player on the river, and the sizing is also wrong and I cant figure out what causes this
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01-09-2024 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by raudonas
Hello, I'm having an issue with river bet sizes. In the tree builder I input river bet sizes of 75% and 133% for the IP player, but in some solutions the solver ends up only having 1 river bet size for the IP player on the river, and the sizing is also wrong and I cant figure out what causes this
Can you try turning OFF "With only 2 bets left, get the money in smoothly"?
This feature is explained here: https://youtu.be/yzROoc5iBec?t=403
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01-10-2024 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Can you try turning OFF "With only 2 bets left, get the money in smoothly"?
This feature is explained here: https://youtu.be/yzROoc5iBec?t=403
Tried it and it seems to have worked. Now the bet sizings I have set in tree builder are available in the solution.
Thank you
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01-10-2024 , 12:42 PM
yo scylla, whats up

i have a little "wishlist" for future releases, maybe you can consider the one or the other.

- i saw this thread https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...v-gto-1823706/ with a really cool excel sheet the user buenosamigos made, where you can copy+paste gto+ data into and then see some bucketing, ev regret and stuff. i find this really helpful, could you consider making a tab in gto+ with like a diagram and a table where it shows equity buckets, EV regret and so on for each player?

the sheet works fine and all, but it would be sooo much more convenient to have these features right in gto+.

if you don't wanna look into it yourself, here are some example screenshots of what it can do














- i would also highly appreciate dynamic columns like user Mates. suggested in post #14001


- multi tabling against the solution, like another, well known browser based solver can do. maybe with some pop out tables if that is possible somehow (also: customizable table, cards, etc)


- last one. here





we can only click one option like Bet 11 or Entire decision. Can you make it so ,that we can click multiple options, like Bet 11 and Bet 5.4 but not Check for example? that would also be great!
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01-11-2024 , 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Fat_Vicious
yo scylla, whats up
i have a little "wishlist" for future releases, maybe you can consider the one or the other.
- i saw this thread https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...v-gto-1823706/ with a really cool excel sheet the user buenosamigos made, where you can copy+paste gto+ data into and then see some bucketing, ev regret and stuff. i find this really helpful, could you consider making a tab in gto+ with like a diagram and a table where it shows equity buckets, EV regret and so on for each player?
the sheet works fine and all, but it would be sooo much more convenient to have these features right in gto+.
if you don't wanna look into it yourself, here are some example screenshots of what it can do
I can't seem to use the spreadsheet due to permissions, but we'll take it into consideration.

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Originally Posted by Fat_Vicious
- i would also highly appreciate dynamic columns like user Mates. suggested in post #14001
We'll consider it, but this will not work while editing, given that the hands would constantly change position in the list.

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Originally Posted by Fat_Vicious
- multi tabling against the solution, like another, well known browser based solver can do. maybe with some pop out tables if that is possible somehow (also: customizable table, cards, etc)
I don't think we can offer this in the short term, given that it would require quite a few interface changes.

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Originally Posted by Fat_Vicious
- last one. here

we can only click one option like Bet 11 or Entire decision. Can you make it so ,that we can click multiple options, like Bet 11 and Bet 5.4 but not Check for example? that would also be great!
This is probably not very difficult; it could be an easter egg feature, where pressing CTRL while clicking a tab will select/deselect it.
I'll have to check the code.
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01-11-2024 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
I can't seem to use the spreadsheet due to permissions, but we'll take it into consideration.
If you still wanna give it a look, you have to click file -> make a copy and then download the copy
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01-13-2024 , 10:04 AM
Hi Scylla,
The solved database does not show up when I press " Display results in graph". Why is this and is there a way to fix the problem?

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01-13-2024 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by katu
Hi Scylla,
The solved database does not show up when I press " Display results in graph". Why is this and is there a way to fix the problem?

I don't immediately see why one of the flops is removed for the graph display.
I have tried with v160, and the 3s2s2d flop does show up over here with the given filter settings.
Is it possible for you to send a savefile for this database to support?
To bring down its size, save it with "File->Save: Convert to Basic storage".
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01-13-2024 , 04:39 PM
hello. is it still not possible to drill a decision within the database? Im so sad if there is not as its the only option Ive wanted for years now

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01-13-2024 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by p0ker_n00b
hello. is it still not possible to drill a decision within the database? Im so sad if there is not as its the only option Ive wanted for years now
It should be possible to drill vs the database.
Can you please check if you're using v160?
Go here for download: https://www.gtoplus.com/download/
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01-13-2024 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
It should be possible to drill vs the database.
Can you please check if you're using v160?
Go here for download: https://www.gtoplus.com/download/
oh gawd if this works Ill dance naked in the streets

using 1.5.4, Ill update later....
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01-13-2024 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
I don't immediately see why one of the flops is removed for the graph display.
I have tried with v160, and the 3s2s2d flop does show up over here with the given filter settings.
Is it possible for you to send a savefile for this database to support?
To bring down its size, save it with "File->Save: Convert to Basic storage".
OK.
Sent database save file to "help@gtoplus.com".
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