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07-18-2022 , 01:52 PM
Hello,
I try to export the current range from FlopzillaPro to GTO+ as the OOP range and toggle Also export board, the range is correctly exported but the board is not.
Well know bug or ....?
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07-19-2022 , 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ddn
Hi Scylla,
Is there any way to use a different solver with the GTO+ GUI?
No, we don't offer the ability to run different engines.
I can look into it, but I would need documentation on the specifications of the external engine.
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07-19-2022 , 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Waingro13
Hello,
I try to export the current range from FlopzillaPro to GTO+ as the OOP range and toggle Also export board, the range is correctly exported but the board is not.
Well know bug or ....?
I have just tested, and it seems to work over here.
Are you perhaps running GTO+ in trial mode?
Because in that case the board will be reset to Td9d6h.
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07-19-2022 , 09:39 PM
Scy hello, with the uptadet miss the % of Bet when you put the mouse over the node:

https://gyazo.com/78de23e5ddfe91d399ff379c6ac54959
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07-20-2022 , 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Mates.
Scy hello, with the uptadet miss the % of Bet when you put the mouse over the node:
https://gyazo.com/78de23e5ddfe91d399ff379c6ac54959
Ok, thank you for pointing that out.
We made some changes to that part of the code.
It appears that we overlooked something.
We'll wait until Friday (just in case any more bugs are reported) and then post an update.
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07-20-2022 , 05:03 AM




Hello made a purchase and got this error, but my card got funds deducted. Can you please help me?

Last edited by face_down; 07-20-2022 at 05:09 AM.
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07-20-2022 , 07:06 AM
Scy, another thing about EQD Graph, I see that the internal graph has intervals of 10%, what I wanted to request if possible is to add the reference axis 0 50 100 in both lines (EQ and Hands).

https://gyazo.com/5dc6767bf05e53686d255bbeb2f6cf95

Last edited by Mates.; 07-20-2022 at 07:17 AM.
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07-20-2022 , 07:20 AM
Hello, Scylla.
Many thanks for adding "Range vs range comparison feature+quickview" (very important and necessary addition).
Two tips for improvement of this feature:
#1.Colors in the range matrix (combinations are not visible when you select a certain category of hands)
#2.Add total number of combinations(%) from selected combination groups at the bottom (for example, total number of combos "weak pair+middle pair+top pair etc")
Spoiler:
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07-20-2022 , 08:13 AM
hello scylla great idea the range comparison.

There is a graphic problem, when I have too much sizing, I no longer have all the strategic decisions available

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07-20-2022 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by face_down
Hello made a purchase and got this error, but my card got funds deducted. Can you please help me?
Ok, I have contacted the payment processor.
I will respond to your e-mail address once they have replied to me.
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07-20-2022 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Mates.
Scy, another thing about EQD Graph, I see that the internal graph has intervals of 10%, what I wanted to request if possible is to add the reference axis 0 50 100 in both lines (EQ and Hands).
https://gyazo.com/5dc6767bf05e53686d255bbeb2f6cf95
There's a slight spacing issue in writing these values next to the graph.
Mousing over the graph should tell you the % of the item that's moused over.
Would that be sufficient for your purposes?
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07-20-2022 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by merkutio137
Hello, Scylla.
Many thanks for adding "Range vs range comparison feature+quickview" (very important and necessary addition).
Two tips for improvement of this feature:
#1.Colors in the range matrix (combinations are not visible when you select a certain category of hands)
#2.Add total number of combinations(%) from selected combination groups at the bottom (for example, total number of combos "weak pair+middle pair+top pair etc")
Spoiler:
#1: Ok, I'll change the text colour for this, and post a fix on Friday
#2: A summary of displayed items is displayed below the tables
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07-20-2022 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by robinet
hello scylla great idea the range comparison.
There is a graphic problem, when I have too much sizing, I no longer have all the strategic decisions available
Ok, I'll see if we can find a way around that, and post a fix on Friday.
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07-20-2022 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
#1: Ok, I'll change the text colour for this, and post a fix on Friday
#2: A summary of displayed items is displayed below the tables
For #2 i mean, if i choose top pair+ combos for IP and OOP player to show how much is it for every player: on screenshot below it is 117 top pair+ combos for OOP and 91.5 for IP.
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It would be nice to also make it so that the display of "Difference OOP/IP" mode changes when the percentage/combo mode is changed, because (look at screenshot) 12.7% of Top pair for OOP and IP players is 43.45 combo for OOP and 62.22 combo for IP player, but "Difference OOP/IP" show only percentage ratio.
Spoiler:
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07-21-2022 , 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by merkutio137
For #2 i mean, if i choose top pair+ combos for IP and OOP player to show how much is it for every player: on screenshot below it is 117 top pair+ combos for OOP and 91.5 for IP.
Spoiler:
Ok, I'll see if we can add customization here.

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Originally Posted by merkutio137
It would be nice to also make it so that the display of "Difference OOP/IP" mode changes when the percentage/combo mode is changed, because (look at screenshot) 12.7% of Top pair for OOP and IP players is 43.45 combo for OOP and 62.22 combo for IP player, but "Difference OOP/IP" show only percentage ratio.
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OOP has 43.45 combos of "top pair".
For him this is 12.7% of his range.

IP has 62.22 combos of "top pair".
For him this is also 12.7% of his range.

IP has a wider range here, but both hold "top pair" in 12.7% of the cases.

Last edited by scylla; 07-21-2022 at 02:42 AM.
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07-21-2022 , 11:06 AM
Hi Scylla, thanks for the update and your consistent and prompt help that you continue to provide.

I was wondering in the database tab, is it possible to add specific flops to the database in such a way that I only provide the highest card number and randomize the rest? for example, I'd like to add only Q high flops and let the solver randomize the two other cards? I know the option to add full flops is possible, but customizing additional options would be neat, and if some additional options are available, i'd like to know.

I was also wondering if you have any plans on adding the option to add flops with certain features; for example, browsing a drop down menu(or some other option) that allows the user to select suits/pairing/connectedness/highest card/middle card/lowest card.

Regardless, for the time being, do I have any more options to easily customize the flops without the necessity to input each flops individually?
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07-21-2022 , 11:17 AM
hello, can you please show response strategy of solver even that node is not used? lets say there are 2 sizings for OOP AI and 50%, OOP using only 50% sizing, so when i look what IP do if OOP use AI, it shows nothing, but if i nodelock some combo to go AI, strategy reveals even without solving, so strategy is saved, it just doesnt show up, its important to look in these nodes as well to see potential exploit if population play in different way then solver (most of time they play very different then solver in these nodes, so it would be nice to see it without extra clicking in node locking to add some random combo in that node) thank you, awesome update also thx a lot
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07-21-2022 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla

OOP has 43.45 combos of "top pair".
For him this is 12.7% of his range.

IP has 62.22 combos of "top pair".
For him this is also 12.7% of his range.

IP has a wider range here, but both hold "top pair" in 12.7% of the cases.
I agree with you.
But I can't seem to get my point across.
In percentage mode 12.7%=12.7%, respectively, there is no gray rectangle, however, in combo mode OOP 43.45 combos < 62.22 IP combos, but the gray rectangle is not shown, although there is a difference in the number of combinations and there should be a gray rectangle above 43.45, indicating fewer combinations of top pairs for OOP. Also, if you look at the weak pair, then in a percentage ratio OOP has 18.3% and IP 14.7% (the advantage for the OOP), but in the combo mode, the advantage is already with the IP in the ratio of 72.28 to 62.44, respectively, in the combo mode, the gray rectangle should be on the side of the OOP next to number 62.44. I tried to demonstrate my idea on the screenshot.
Spoiler:


Perhaps I just did not understand the idea and purpose of this feature)

Last edited by merkutio137; 07-21-2022 at 11:21 AM. Reason: Add text
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07-21-2022 , 01:38 PM
Hello Scylla when I export the flop frequencies to excel and average the frequencies, I don't find the same results as GTO+ Is it because the flop has a default weight on GTO+? or is it due to a rounding problem?



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07-21-2022 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by merkutio137
I agree with you.
But I can't seem to get my point across.
In percentage mode 12.7%=12.7%, respectively, there is no gray rectangle, however, in combo mode OOP 43.45 combos < 62.22 IP combos, but the gray rectangle is not shown, although there is a difference in the number of combinations and there should be a gray rectangle above 43.45, indicating fewer combinations of top pairs for OOP. Also, if you look at the weak pair, then in a percentage ratio OOP has 18.3% and IP 14.7% (the advantage for the OOP), but in the combo mode, the advantage is already with the IP in the ratio of 72.28 to 62.44, respectively, in the combo mode, the gray rectangle should be on the side of the OOP next to number 62.44. I tried to demonstrate my idea on the screenshot.
Perhaps I just did not understand the idea and purpose of this feature)
The absolute number of combos is not really that relevant; all that matters is which % of the range is "top pair"/"set"/ etc.
If OOP has 0.01 combos of top pair, and IP has 1 combo of top pair, then this will not mean that IP has "top pair" 100x more often than OOP.
To see their relative chance of holding "top pair", you need to look at which % of the range the stat occurs.
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07-21-2022 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by crowned
Hi Scylla, thanks for the update and your consistent and prompt help that you continue to provide.
I was wondering in the database tab, is it possible to add specific flops to the database in such a way that I only provide the highest card number and randomize the rest? for example, I'd like to add only Q high flops and let the solver randomize the two other cards? I know the option to add full flops is possible, but customizing additional options would be neat, and if some additional options are available, i'd like to know.
I was also wondering if you have any plans on adding the option to add flops with certain features; for example, browsing a drop down menu(or some other option) that allows the user to select suits/pairing/connectedness/highest card/middle card/lowest card.
Regardless, for the time being, do I have any more options to easily customize the flops without the necessity to input each flops individually?
We don't have a specific feature for this, but I will consider it for future releases.
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07-21-2022 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by magorko
hello, can you please show response strategy of solver even that node is not used? lets say there are 2 sizings for OOP AI and 50%, OOP using only 50% sizing, so when i look what IP do if OOP use AI, it shows nothing, but if i nodelock some combo to go AI, strategy reveals even without solving, so strategy is saved, it just doesnt show up, its important to look in these nodes as well to see potential exploit if population play in different way then solver (most of time they play very different then solver in these nodes, so it would be nice to see it without extra clicking in node locking to add some random combo in that node) thank you, awesome update also thx a lot
A problem here is that if villan has no range, there's no way to rank the active player's hands by equity.
Also, for the same reason, there's no way to calculate and display equity/EV.
That being said, I will see what I can do for future releases.
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07-21-2022 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by robinet
Hello Scylla when I export the flop frequencies to excel and average the frequencies, I don't find the same results as GTO+ Is it because the flop has a default weight on GTO+? or is it due to a rounding problem?

GTO+ includes card removal and tree weights in the calculation of the average.
Because of this, the average that is displayed in the software will be more precise than excel.
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07-22-2022 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
A problem here is that if villan has no range, there's no way to rank the active player's hands by equity.
Also, for the same reason, there's no way to calculate and display equity/EV.
That being said, I will see what I can do for future releases.
its ok if it would shows all other data like equity/EV as NA in numbers but show strategy, it would still be better then showing nothing like now
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07-22-2022 , 02:39 PM
Hey scylla, thanks for the fix update.
Is there a way to update the software automatically? I have to download it manually from website.
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