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07-12-2022 , 05:21 AM
Scy, how's everything?
I wanted to ask you if there is currently any method of, for example, importing flops to a DB without deleting the current one.

As I write this I feel that the solution is to open a 2nd GTO import those flops, save the file and merge with the desired DB.

There is no way to add as you have done with "delete" from tree, with the CTRL or ALT to do it directly from the file?
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07-12-2022 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Mates.
Scy, how's everything?
I wanted to ask you if there is currently any method of, for example, importing flops to a DB without deleting the current one.
As I write this I feel that the solution is to open a 2nd GTO import those flops, save the file and merge with the desired DB.
There is no way to add as you have done with "delete" from tree, with the CTRL or ALT to do it directly from the file?
Method 1
If I understand you correctly, then you would need to create the two databases as separate files, and merge them together with the code MERGE.
For this:
1) Place the two files into a certain directory
2) Enter the code MERGE after "Import flops from file"
3) Enter the directory in the menu
4) Accept
The two databases will now be merged together.
See the screenshot below.



Method 2
An alternative method would be to:
1) Load the first database
2) Click on the "Lock" icon (this will prevent the database from being deleted when loading a new file)
3) Load the file with the second database
See the screenshot below.


Last edited by scylla; 07-12-2022 at 04:54 PM.
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07-13-2022 , 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Method 1
If I understand you correctly, then you would need to create the two databases as separate files, and merge them together with the code MERGE.
For this:
1) Place the two files into a certain directory
2) Enter the code MERGE after "Import flops from file"
3) Enter the directory in the menu
4) Accept
The two databases will now be merged together.
See the screenshot below.



Method 2
An alternative method would be to:
1) Load the first database
2) Click on the "Lock" icon (this will prevent the database from being deleted when loading a new file)
3) Load the file with the second database
See the screenshot below.


Thanks Scy, Very helpfull

I understand that v1.43 is not far away (because of the way you talk about it in your last posts )


I wanted to ask you something about the trainer.

I usually resolve my DBs with the extensive storage option.

I would like to know if you could improve the trainer to choose to practice specific spots within a DB, for example how to play turn OOP after XR flop.

Then start the hand on that drill on the different boards that contain the DB. (have the option to only play that decision, that street or until the river)

It is something that in other trainers can be modified to taste..


That add tool would be the glory!

Last edited by Mates.; 07-13-2022 at 09:29 AM.
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07-13-2022 , 01:01 PM

Suggestion: A small button (in one of the places market in red" that leaves the same filters "rainbow, 2 flush, etc..." but restarts the selected cards
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07-14-2022 , 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Mates.
Thanks Scy, Very helpfull
I understand that v1.43 is not far away (because of the way you talk about it in your last posts )
I wanted to ask you something about the trainer.
I usually resolve my DBs with the extensive storage option.
I would like to know if you could improve the trainer to choose to practice specific spots within a DB, for example how to play turn OOP after XR flop.
Then start the hand on that drill on the different boards that contain the DB. (have the option to only play that decision, that street or until the river)
It is something that in other trainers can be modified to taste..
That add tool would be the glory!
Ok, I will consider it for future releases.
A challenge here is that in certain scenarios there would be loading times between hands.
So, depending on the situation, it may not always work entirely smoothly.
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07-14-2022 , 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by carlos243

Suggestion: A small button (in one of the places market in red" that leaves the same filters "rainbow, 2 flush, etc..." but restarts the selected cards
You can select/deselect multiple cards by clicking a card, keeping your mouse pressed down, and mousing over any cards that you want to change.
So manually resetting is relatively straightforward.
That being said, I'll see if we can add a separate reset button for this field.
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07-15-2022 , 06:11 PM
Hello,
I played a hand in which I am in the BB and call a raise from the BU.
The flop comes and I hit 2 pairs so I decided to X since I was not the PF raiser.
The BU cbets and I would like look at what GTO+ would do as the BB.
But I can't do it because GTO+ donks 100% of the time at the flop.
I tried to check the "Don't donk" option but GTO+ continues to donk at the flop.
Please help.
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07-16-2022 , 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Waingro13
Hello,
I played a hand in which I am in the BB and call a raise from the BU.
The flop comes and I hit 2 pairs so I decided to X since I was not the PF raiser.
The BU cbets and I would like look at what GTO+ would do as the BB.
But I can't do it because GTO+ donks 100% of the time at the flop.
I tried to check the "Don't donk" option but GTO+ continues to donk at the flop.
Please help.
You appear to be using a single hand for OOP's range, whereas GTO analysis is for range vs range.
If you use hand vs range, then villain will simply know that you're holding J6o.
So, can you please enter a range for OOP and run the solver again?

Last edited by scylla; 07-16-2022 at 02:12 AM.
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07-16-2022 , 02:20 AM
How do I see the aggregated reports for Player 2? As seen in the attached screenshot, player 2 has many bet size options once player 1 checks. But I cannot see those in the right columns, only equity and EV.

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07-16-2022 , 05:27 AM
[Kind of a Bug] When playing against solution, with Previous: ON and Fast/Fastest Speed, if the hand ends after the action, we can only the correct answer for a brief second before it changes to the next hand. Not enough time to look closely at the correct frequency of each action, or other data.

Expected behavior: the correct answer stays there for the user to look at, until the user takes another action.
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07-16-2022 , 05:55 AM
Right, I selected not a single hand but actually a range of 12 hands.
What I try to figure out is how did you write your algorithm? From which point you consider you have a range rather than something-that-you-do-not-consider-as-a-range? And indeed why do you need to make this difference between a range and something-that-you-do-not-consider-as-a-range?
If I had to write it, I would run a for loop on every hand, whatever they are 12 or 1200, and cumulate the results to determine the EV.
So please tell me so as for me to understand how it works.
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07-16-2022 , 09:17 AM
is it possible to add a "import ranges from hrc" feature? (possible with pio since this update)
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07-16-2022 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Nitti Vitti
is it possible to add a "import ranges from hrc" feature? (possible with pio since this update)
Yes, we'll probably add that in future releases.
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07-16-2022 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Waingro13
Right, I selected not a single hand but actually a range of 12 hands.
What I try to figure out is how did you write your algorithm? From which point you consider you have a range rather than something-that-you-do-not-consider-as-a-range? And indeed why do you need to make this difference between a range and something-that-you-do-not-consider-as-a-range?
If I had to write it, I would run a for loop on every hand, whatever they are 12 or 1200, and cumulate the results to determine the EV.
So please tell me so as for me to understand how it works.
In GTO analysis, it's assumed that Hero and Villain fully know each other's range and strategy, and adapt perfectly to it.
It's important to enter a range for both players that reasonably accurately represents their actual range in play.
Given the preflop play that you indicated, J6o was probably not the only hand that you would play this way preflop.
You need to enter a range of hands for OOP that represents the entire range with which you'd play like this.

For example, if you raise AA-88,AKs-AJs,KQs,QJs,JTs,AKo-AJo,KQo preflop and get called, then you'll need to enter this range, and not a specific hand.
Otherwise villain would know exactly which hand you're holding.

Last edited by scylla; 07-16-2022 at 02:10 PM.
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07-16-2022 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by joomorrow
[Kind of a Bug] When playing against solution, with Previous: ON and Fast/Fastest Speed, if the hand ends after the action, we can only the correct answer for a brief second before it changes to the next hand. Not enough time to look closely at the correct frequency of each action, or other data.

Expected behavior: the correct answer stays there for the user to look at, until the user takes another action.
Yes, you'd need to quickly click in order to stop the countdown.
I suppose an alternative would be to only go to the next hand when the user requests it.
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07-16-2022 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by joomorrow
How do I see the aggregated reports for Player 2? As seen in the attached screenshot, player 2 has many bet size options once player 1 checks. But I cannot see those in the right columns, only equity and EV.
I think that this database was solved with an older version of GTO+.
The navigator will be available for databases solved with version v129 or higher.
If you want me to take a closer look, then please send a savefile to support.
Store it with "File->Save: Convert to Basic storage" to bring its size down to a manageable size.

Last edited by scylla; 07-16-2022 at 02:11 PM.
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07-16-2022 , 06:59 PM
Hi scylla, is there a way to export the stats for each flop, without having to do it one by one?

even if the extraction format is not perfect it does not matter, it can easily be reworked on power qwery.

it will be really handy, it currently takes me a bit close to 1 hour 30 to 2 hours for 300 flop for a single player.



and I have another question.
when I wanted to run the rest of my database by "process all files in a given folder", I couldn't manage to run in extensive storage, even unchecking the basic storage option

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07-17-2022 , 01:23 AM
Hi scylla,
Could you tell us a few things about the next update? There will be something substantial?

Thx, all best!
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07-17-2022 , 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by robinet
Hi scylla, is there a way to export the stats for each flop, without having to do it one by one?
even if the extraction format is not perfect it does not matter, it can easily be reworked on power qwery.
it will be really handy, it currently takes me a bit close to 1 hour 30 to 2 hours for 300 flop for a single player.
We can consider it, although a challenge here would be that different users will be looking for slightly different interpretations of such a feature.
So it will may not be entirely straightforward to create something that will be to everyone's satisfaction.

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Originally Posted by robinet
when I wanted to run the rest of my database by "process all files in a given folder", I couldn't manage to run in extensive storage, even unchecking the basic storage option
The savefiles need to be stored with "Extensive" as the solving option (under "Run solver").


Last edited by scylla; 07-17-2022 at 02:53 AM.
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07-17-2022 , 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Nachole97
Hi scylla,
Could you tell us a few things about the next update? There will be something substantial?
Thx, all best!
We'll try to have the update available by Monday.
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07-17-2022 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
In GTO analysis, it's assumed that Hero and Villain fully know each other's range and strategy, and adapt perfectly to it.
It's important to enter a range for both players that reasonably accurately represents their actual range in play.
Given the preflop play that you indicated, J6o was probably not the only hand that you would play this way preflop.
You need to enter a range of hands for OOP that represents the entire range with which you'd play like this.

For example, if you raise AA-88,AKs-AJs,KQs,QJs,JTs,AKo-AJo,KQo preflop and get called, then you'll need to enter this range, and not a specific hand.
Otherwise villain would know exactly which hand you're holding.
Ok I understand, thanks for spending time to explain!
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07-18-2022 , 12:46 AM
Hey scylla. I woke up to both FZpro and GTO+ giving me same "you're registered to different HWID/your key locked to a diff machine" mistake on launch. Happened literally overnight. What's the best way to deal with that other than requesting new keys?
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07-18-2022 , 01:57 AM
Nevermind, solved it. If anyone would run into same error - installing an antivirus and scanning did nothing for it, restoring the system to yessterday did nothing either, but an older point or restoration of couple of weks ago did the trick and after restoration I logged into both FZ and GTO+ like nothing ever happened.
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07-18-2022 , 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by SOSOK
Nevermind, solved it. If anyone would run into same error - installing an antivirus and scanning did nothing for it, restoring the system to yessterday did nothing either, but an older point or restoration of couple of weks ago did the trick and after restoration I logged into both FZ and GTO+ like nothing ever happened.
Ok, an alternative would be to request a new key.

Request new key
To request a new key, go here:
GTO+: www.gtoplus.com/request-a-key
Flopzilla: www.flopzilla.com/contact.html
The forms are automated, so the new key would be sent to you within a few minutes of the request.

Return to trial mode?
To return to trial mode, delete the regkey.dat/gtokey.dat file from the installation directory.
For GTO+ this will most likely be C:\Program Files\GTO
And for Flopzilla this will most likely be C:\Program Files (x86)\FlopzillaPro\FlopzillaPro
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07-18-2022 , 01:36 PM
Hi Scylla,

Is there any way to use a different solver (namely jesolver) with the GTO+ GUI?
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