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03-22-2022 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Krax
Hi,
I've been comparing my sims with odin sims. Disclaimer, preflop ranges are not precisely the same, but on the first glance they appear similar. Results differ significantly, mainly odin seems to be utilizing a lot more small bets. I realize that multiple equilibriums are possible and it's fine, I'm just curious if there are significant fundamental algorithm differences (don't really care about this) or I'm missing some part of the gametree (this I do care about).
thanks
When multiple bet sizes are used, many different configurations are possible within any given dEV.
So it will be possible to find comparable solutions with completely different bet sizes.
Other than that, when making any comparison, it's important that the preflop ranges, bets, stacks, etc are exactly the same.
If there's any difference between two trees, at any point at the flop/turn/river, then no real conclusions can be drawn from results being different.
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03-23-2022 , 09:51 PM
Scylla, again ...

Is there any way to implement a feature that allows "delete" trees automatically when there is little difference between bets sizes??

for example OOP Turn bets:


G2
125
67
33

But if OOP plays XR flop

125 is very similar to g2 (110)

(it's an example)

The idea is that it deletes one of the 2 trees automatically

(there is a function in pio where you put the gap %)


Thanks!
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03-24-2022 , 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Mates.
Scylla, again ...

Is there any way to implement a feature that allows "delete" trees automatically when there is little difference between bets sizes??

for example OOP Turn bets:


G2
125
67
33

But if OOP plays XR flop

125 is very similar to g2 (110)

(it's an example)

The idea is that it deletes one of the 2 trees automatically

(there is a function in pio where you put the gap %)


Thanks!
Do you mean that you want to delete actions (not trees) if they are close in size?
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03-24-2022 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Do you mean that you want to delete actions (not trees) if they are close in size?

yes, this example works very well in "raises" nodes.

For example OOP has an XR of 50% and another of 4x.
vs different betsizes.

But in some, these can be very similar in terms of size.

I know that in tree building we can delete or add, the problem is when we really make "big" nodes. This would be a tool that would save a lot of time in editing trees
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03-24-2022 , 01:18 PM


ON this example i have an overbet for 132 for OOP T and G2. G2 and 132 are so close togheter that i want to keep one sizing here.


Same example with G2 and 132. Here i want to keep both.


will be nice have the option to delete 1 strategic option similar automatically
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03-24-2022 , 08:22 PM
Scylla, again me..

The feature for rounding combos Frequency will be a nice feature to add.. to "simplify strategy". Not mean rounding 50% 50%, but like on the "PAS" you can rounded in jumps to 20-25 and still you simplify the strat without loss so much EV.

And the interpretation doesnt lost if one decide littles jumps on rounding strat.


This + combined to less betsizes for choice, give us an good and simple strategy to apply than an another more complex with more EV in theory but less applicable on the tables


Its good to have a one solution complex and simplify taking strategic options or in this case, rounding %.


I will like to see this feature in the future please

Last edited by Mates.; 03-24-2022 at 08:50 PM.
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03-25-2022 , 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Mates.
Scylla, again me..
The feature for rounding combos Frequency will be a nice feature to add.. to "simplify strategy". Not mean rounding 50% 50%, but like on the "PAS" you can rounded in jumps to 20-25 and still you simplify the strat without loss so much EV.
And the interpretation doesnt lost if one decide littles jumps on rounding strat.
This + combined to less betsizes for choice, give us an good and simple strategy to apply than an another more complex with more EV in theory but less applicable on the tables
Its good to have a one solution complex and simplify taking strategic options or in this case, rounding %.
I will like to see this feature in the future please
Ok, I will consider it for future releases.
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03-25-2022 , 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Mates.

ON this example i have an overbet for 132 for OOP T and G2. G2 and 132 are so close togheter that i want to keep one sizing here.

Same example with G2 and 132. Here i want to keep both.
will be nice have the option to delete 1 strategic option similar automatically
So basically it would be an option: "Delete actions that are within X% in size of each other"?
I think the easiest way to add this, would be a code in the code field.
For example, D10 would mean to delete any action that's within 10% of another action.


Last edited by scylla; 03-25-2022 at 03:41 AM.
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03-25-2022 , 04:47 AM
Hello,
I just bought GTO+, browse quickly the videos but you know, videos are good for discovering software features but not for going down to business. Is there a textual doc with table of contents and exhaustive coverage of all the features?
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03-25-2022 , 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
So basically it would be an option: "Delete actions that are within X% in size of each other"?
I think the easiest way to add this, would be a code in the code field.
For example, D10 would mean to delete any action that's within 10% of another action.

will be nice!

Sometimes this happens on raising nodes vs various bet size.

for example if oop XR 50% or 4x vs 3 sizes.. in somes nodes OOP can find 2 XR extremly close togheter in term of sizing.



Yes, that function will be awesome witouth a doubt!
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03-26-2022 , 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Waingro13
Hello,
I just bought GTO+, browse quickly the videos but you know, videos are good for discovering software features but not for going down to business. Is there a textual doc with table of contents and exhaustive coverage of all the features?
We have tried to write the interface so that you should run accross any features that you're looking for naturally.
However, I'll see if we can create some document in the future.
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03-26-2022 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
We have tried to write the interface so that you should run accross any features that you're looking for naturally.
However, I'll see if we can create some document in the future.
LOL Bubbles would achieve about 1% of the job, unfortunately.
So I face basic issues for which I do not find any suggestion, for instance I have built a range, found some tips to learn how to use groups thanks to...google (https://www.gtoplus.com/groups-in-predefs/) and now I would like to edit it.
So clicking on the range so as to select it and work on the dashboard was some intuitive way of doing it...but it does not work, as soon as I move the pointer out of the range name, the content of the dashboard goes back to probably what was the last selection.
How people manage to cope with such a software, without any documentation? I am a senior computer scientist and it is really questionnable for me.
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03-27-2022 , 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Waingro13
LOL Bubbles would achieve about 1% of the job, unfortunately.
So I face basic issues for which I do not find any suggestion, for instance I have built a range, found some tips to learn how to use groups thanks to...google (https://www.gtoplus.com/groups-in-predefs/) and now I would like to edit it.
So clicking on the range so as to select it and work on the dashboard was some intuitive way of doing it...but it does not work, as soon as I move the pointer out of the range name, the content of the dashboard goes back to probably what was the last selection.
How people manage to cope with such a software, without any documentation? I am a senior computer scientist and it is really questionnable for me.
The way we have set things up, is that there will usually be an item "Help", "?", "Instructions" or something similar for more details on how to use a certain field.



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Originally Posted by Waingro13
... and now I would like to edit it.
Do you mean that you have a grouped range under predefs, and want to overwrite it?

To overwrite a range in the predefs:
1) Left-click the range in the predef menu to select it
2) Click on "Overwrite"
The range will now be replaced with whatever is in the matrix on the left



So to edit a range in the predefs:
1) Double-click it to load it in the matrix
2) Edit it as you see fit
3) Left-click the range in the predef menu
4) Click on "Overwrite"
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03-28-2022 , 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Mates.
will be nice!

Sometimes this happens on raising nodes vs various bet size.

for example if oop XR 50% or 4x vs 3 sizes.. in somes nodes OOP can find 2 XR extremly close togheter in term of sizing.



Yes, that function will be awesome witouth a doubt!

Scylla this is difficult to for implement in a short time?

Any ETA update?
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03-28-2022 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Mates.
Scylla this is difficult to for implement in a short time?
Any ETA update?
I'll see if we can add it somewhere this week.
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03-29-2022 , 05:25 AM
Thank you for your help!
Double clicking was not obvious, I tried simple clic and right clic but not double clic...which means a documentation would be useful to avoid you wasting your time in writing the same things here again and again.

Regards

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Originally Posted by scylla
The way we have set things up, is that there will usually be an item "Help", "?", "Instructions" or something similar for more details on how to use a certain field.





Do you mean that you have a grouped range under predefs, and want to overwrite it?

To overwrite a range in the predefs:
1) Left-click the range in the predef menu to select it
2) Click on "Overwrite"
The range will now be replaced with whatever is in the matrix on the left



So to edit a range in the predefs:
1) Double-click it to load it in the matrix
2) Edit it as you see fit
3) Left-click the range in the predef menu
4) Click on "Overwrite"
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03-29-2022 , 09:37 AM
Hi scylla,

Thanks for the last update especially by Matrix resize, makes it more visually comfortable. Maybe you can optimize it by adding a switch on the filters of the right, thereby the matrix would keep big and stable.
Because as you navigate through the nodes, matrix's size changes and makes interaction somehow tricky.



Cheers!
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03-29-2022 , 12:35 PM
Hi,

Is there a way to disable the prompt to save your changes when trying to close a GTO+ window? To both close the windows faster as well as prevent you from accidentally saving undesired changes to files (such as nodelocks).

Thank you
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03-29-2022 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JackOscar
Hi,
Is there a way to disable the prompt to save your changes when trying to close a GTO+ window? To both close the windows faster as well as prevent you from accidentally saving undesired changes to files (such as nodelocks).
Thank you
This is a property of Windows itself.
Whenever a file is changed, Windows will ask whether you want to save your changes when closing the file.
It may be preferable to keep it like this, so that your solved trees are not lost when you close your window without explicitly saving first.
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03-29-2022 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Nachole97
Hi scylla,
Thanks for the last update especially by Matrix resize, makes it more visually comfortable. Maybe you can optimize it by adding a switch on the filters of the right, thereby the matrix would keep big and stable.
Because as you navigate through the nodes, matrix's size changes and makes interaction somehow tricky.

Cheers!
This is a minor bug; the matrix size resets when navigating through the tree.
It will be fixed in the next update.
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03-30-2022 , 08:06 PM



Scylla, again.. (It is seen that I have spent time in GTO + lately and I could see in comparison how this excellent software could continue to be improved )


Here it would be GREAT to have a tab of the EQD GRAPH . (if you choose a certain action (different range constructions) show you the EQD Graph on that node.)

I think this would be a really great add on to the software!



Its hard to implement?
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03-31-2022 , 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Mates.

Scylla, again.. (It is seen that I have spent time in GTO + lately and I could see in comparison how this excellent software could continue to be improved )
Here it would be GREAT to have a tab of the EQD GRAPH . (if you choose a certain action (different range constructions) show you the EQD Graph on that node.)
I think this would be a really great add on to the software!
Its hard to implement?
Doesn't the output already adjust according to which action is selected?
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03-31-2022 , 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Doesn't the output already adjust according to which action is selected?
Yes, but only the EQ graph. what i request its a EQD ( equity distribution graph), to view the RvR interaction. And yes, there is in the Flopzilla, but having this feature in that windows will be amazing for all users.
Because a lot of strategys (betsizes etc) are craft between the both range distributions.

So please, will be amazing addon to considerer. Its also one that most user "use" on other solver to "understand" the why of the strategy..prefer betsizes, freq and more!

Last edited by Mates.; 03-31-2022 at 08:53 AM.
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03-31-2022 , 08:51 AM


This is from GTOW, look nice this format, but its will ok like flopzilla look
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03-31-2022 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Mates.
Yes, but only the EQ graph. what i request its a EQD ( equity distribution graph), to view the RvR interaction. And yes, there is in the Flopzilla, but having this feature in that windows will be amazing for all users.
Because a lot of strategys (betsizes etc) are craft between the both range distributions.

So please, will be amazing addon to considerer. Its also one that most user "use" on other solver to "understand" the why of the strategy..prefer betsizes, freq and more!
Ok, I will consider it for future releases.
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