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01-26-2022 , 10:00 AM
Hello, Scylla. Working with text output button for data in statistics I have noticed that sometimes some columns and content diverge.

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01-26-2022 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by merkutio137
Hello, Scylla. Working with text output button for data in statistics I have noticed that sometimes some columns and content diverge.
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It should work properly if copied to Excel.
But indeed, in text form, the columns will not align.
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01-27-2022 , 12:09 PM
hello in situation on monotone board when turn card make flush on one card for example As8s5s turn 9s, it shows 8x and 5x hands as no made hands instead of low pair
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01-27-2022 , 02:48 PM
hello is there an update planned to make equity pie charts on flopzilla pro or GTO+.

for exemple

or add a combo (weight) column in the equity graphs, to be able to export the data to excel


@scylla

Last edited by robinet; 01-27-2022 at 03:06 PM.
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01-28-2022 , 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by robinet
hello is there an update planned to make equity pie charts on flopzilla pro or GTO+.
for exemple
or add a combo (weight) column in the equity graphs, to be able to export the data to excel
Combos are already available in the GTO+ text output.
I'll make a note to add combos for the Flopzilla output as well.
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01-28-2022 , 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by magorko
hello in situation on monotone board when turn card make flush on one card for example As8s5s turn 9s, it shows 8x and 5x hands as no made hands instead of low pair
When the board is 4-flush, and any s makes a flush, almost any hand with no s (with the exception of sets and two pair, which can still improve to a full house) has any real value anymore. When creating the list of stats, and adding the various pairs that didn't have a flush (overpair, top pair, middle pair), we decided to stop at third pair and bottom pair, given that they can beat only a bluff (and they may not even be able to beat half of all bluffs).

Last edited by scylla; 01-28-2022 at 03:40 AM.
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01-28-2022 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Combos are already available in the GTO+ text output.
I'll make a note to add combos for the Flopzilla output as well.
yes they are for a flop, but in the GTO+ database they are not

it will be really great for data aggregation



and having the data of each combo for each turn in one go would also be really great

for exemple


below Qs have all the combos, below 3h have all the combos...

sorry for my english, it's not my first language
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01-29-2022 , 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by robinet
yes they are for a flop, but in the GTO+ database they are not
it will be really great for data aggregation

and having the data of each combo for each turn in one go would also be really great
for exemple

below Qs have all the combos, below 3h have all the combos...
sorry for my english, it's not my first language
Ok, I'll go over the various output methods and see if combos can be added there.
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01-29-2022 , 07:09 PM
I don't understand, when I try to copy data from flopzilla to excel, then excel doesn't detect it

for exemple



On my other computer it works fine though.
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01-30-2022 , 12:09 AM
I'm looking to buy a new CPU mainly for solver work.

Since Intel switched to a new architecture I'm not sure if GTO+ will perform better on something like a 12900k with 8pc/8ec/24t or a 5900x with 12c/24t.
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01-30-2022 , 09:53 AM
it's good I understood the problem, it's because my excel does not have the Anglo Saxon standard
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01-31-2022 , 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by robinet
I don't understand, when I try to copy data from flopzilla to excel, then excel doesn't detect it

for exemple



On my other computer it works fine though.
Your version of Excel probably writes values as 3,123 instead of 3.123.

To resolve this issue, replace . with ,

You can either do this in Excel with Ctrl+H, or by pressing the ". <-> ," button in the dialog in GTO+.

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01-31-2022 , 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by XTPHR
I'm looking to buy a new CPU mainly for solver work.
Since Intel switched to a new architecture I'm not sure if GTO+ will perform better on something like a 12900k with 8pc/8ec/24t or a 5900x with 12c/24t.
The most important indicator is the CPU speed, and its number of cores.
So a CPU with 4 cores of 3.2gHz comes down to a 4x3.2gHz=12.8gHz system.
I'm not aware of the architecture having an additional effect though.
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01-31-2022 , 03:10 PM
forgive me i'm sure this has been answered a hundred times: what is the difference between cardrunnersEV and GTO+ or is it the same program now?
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02-01-2022 , 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by callcallSNAP
forgive me i'm sure this has been answered a hundred times: what is the difference between cardrunnersEV and GTO+ or is it the same program now?
GTO+ is to a large extent CREV2.
CREV was originally more focussed on EV calculations, whereas the more recent GTO+ is more focussed on the GTO aspect.
If at all possible I would recommend focussing your efforts on GTO+, given that this is the more recent software of the two.

Last edited by scylla; 02-01-2022 at 04:53 AM.
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02-01-2022 , 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
GTO+ is to a large extent CREV2.
CREV was originally more focussed on EV calculations, whereas the more recent GTO+ is more focussed on the GTO aspect.
If at all possible I would recommend focussing your efforts on GTO+, given that this is the more recent software of the two.
If I purchase crEV do I also get gto+ and vice versa? for the same price?
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02-02-2022 , 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by callcallSNAP
If I purchase crEV do I also get gto+ and vice versa? for the same price?
GTO+ is to a large extent CREV2.
So purchasing either product will include the other for free.
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02-02-2022 , 03:35 PM
Hello, I'm new to GTO+ I am currently trying to save some ranges for quick access later. I am copying my ranges from OBTpoker.

The first image is the bb defend/3b range vs btn 2.5 open.





When I copy this into GTO+ for OOP range, it looks like this.
Am I missing something here? Does it not allow for 3b in the preflop range?
Regardless, I'm doing something wrong because hands that are a pure call are appearing as a fold on the GTO+ range.




Perhaps I need to use one of these weighted or sample options here?





Sorry, I'm new to solvers and am just trying to get the ranges setup for a standard btn vs bb srp.

Thanks for any help!
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02-02-2022 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 3betyourmom
Hello, I'm new to GTO+ I am currently trying to save some ranges for quick access later. I am copying my ranges from OBTpoker.
The first image is the bb defend/3b range vs btn 2.5 open.

When I copy this into GTO+ for OOP range, it looks like this.
Am I missing something here? Does it not allow for 3b in the preflop range?
Regardless, I'm doing something wrong because hands that are a pure call are appearing as a fold on the GTO+ range.

Perhaps I need to use one of these weighted or sample options here?

Sorry, I'm new to solvers and am just trying to get the ranges setup for a standard btn vs bb srp.
Thanks for any help!
It appears that you're only copying the purple part of the range from OBTpoker.
It's probably best to contact OBTpoker, and ask them how to properly copy the intended range.
Or, if you want us to take a look at the range, then either send it to support, or post it here.

Last edited by scylla; 02-02-2022 at 04:19 PM.
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02-02-2022 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
It appears that you're only copying the purple part of the range from OBTpoker.
It's probably best to contact OBTpoker, and ask them how to properly copy the intended range.
Or, if you want us to take a look at the range, then either send it to support, or post it here.
Thank you for the reply. It turns out I was only copying the 3b portion of the range.

I am purchasing the full license of GTO+ tonight. Partially due to the support provided in this thread, very reassuring!
Thanks
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02-03-2022 , 03:55 PM
Why did you get rid of the dont donk option on the flop?` NOw when building a tree it adds a random sized donk on every flop I try to run. Like actually what is the point of removing something that works and now I have to use edit tree to remove donk every single time I use the solver and have to figure out how to remove it from an entire database.
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02-03-2022 , 04:03 PM


random donk sizes based on other parameters in the sim that dont even have anything to do with oop flop decision.

Also the automatic rounding is such and eyesore. SOMetimes my bets are 48.9% sometimes 49.2 sometimes 50.2% its so annoying to actually try and study when you have to constantly see this and its really disruptive. will have to go back to the 1.32 but now my sims wont work on that one anymore if i saved them already :/

Now I am forced to use the cumbersome tree editor just to make every change i want to a sim because if I use tree editor and press build it throws a a random donk in there for no reason.


HOW TF DO YOU FORCE A CHECK NOW FROM OOP ON THE FLOP in the tree builder????!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Last edited by BitchIAmAMartian; 02-03-2022 at 04:29 PM.
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02-03-2022 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchIAmAMartian
Why did you get rid of the dont donk option on the flop?` NOw when building a tree it adds a random sized donk on every flop I try to run. Like actually what is the point of removing something that works and now I have to use edit tree to remove donk every single time I use the solver and have to figure out how to remove it from an entire database.
The "Don't donk" option no longer applies to the flop, given that we don't know what happened on the previous street.
To leave out the flop bet, under "Use custom settings for flop" enter "0" for "First bet".
See the screenshot below.

A hint for this has also been added when mousing over the "Don't donk" slider button.
It's however only visible when mousing over the button itself; not the text.
We have already fixed this for v141.



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Originally Posted by BitchIAmAMartian
SOMetimes my bets are 48.9% sometimes 49.2 sometimes 50.2%.
Deciding by what amount to round can be a bit tricky.
It's a balance between being legible, and being accurate.
A value like 48.89754 can be written as 48.89, 48.9, 49 and 50, depending on the rounding factor.
It's unfortunately not objectively possible to decide at which point to round.

Last edited by scylla; 02-03-2022 at 05:36 PM.
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02-03-2022 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchIAmAMartian
Also the automatic rounding is such and eyesore. SOMetimes my bets are 48.9% sometimes 49.2 sometimes 50.2% its so annoying to actually try and study when you have to constantly see this and its really disruptive. will have to go back to the 1.32 but now my sims wont work on that one anymore if i saved them already :/
You can disable rounding by adding the code R in the top left:
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02-03-2022 , 08:56 PM
Oh ok thanks. I came home from getting teeth pulled and went on monkey tilt. Actually thought I tried the 0 there as well and also 0 in the default bet but I guess I was just too out of it lol.
The D command kind of makes the rounding thing not so big of a deal as well.

Thank you
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