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Originally Posted by rogorz
The flops you are using are all symmetrical, that's why some are ignored.
There is no point in solving both AcAdAh and AcAdAs, they are the same flops, just with the hearts replaced by spades. The results will be the same, with the suits switched.
There are premade subsets:
Sorry, I did miss some of your replies. Thanks for your help. I was unaware that GTO+ would just automatically ignore identical flops. I presumed it would just parse each flop as written. I can see that changing the suit of one card makes no difference when players play ranges comprised of either suited or unsuited cards and treat no suit differently to any other.
The reason I was looking into this was an interest in breaking down flops into "different families" and examining how ranges play against that family grouping. For example, a HML family would be High Medium Low cards like K95 or Q84 or J92. Presumably, whilst rainbow flops and monotone flops will be considered identical by GTO+, will two-tone boards also be considered identical? Whilst I can see that Kh9d5d and Kh9h5d and Kd9h5h may well be considered identical, can the same be said for Ah9d5d and Ad9h5d and Ad9h5h? Surely the effect of having the Ace of flush draw on the board is much different than having an Ace on board with two other suited cards?
Before posting this as a question I created a text file with:
Ad9h5c
Ad9d5c
Ah9d5d
Ah9d5h
and GTO+ displayed all four, so clearly treats them all differently.
Just trying to drill down a bit in my understanding of what GTO+ needs and excludes flop-wise before I spend anymore time on this flop idea.
I'm interested in looking at how ranges perform against certain types of flops and thought that running GTO+ to see what it says and then using Play Against the Solution might provide a deeper understanding of the diffferences between flops, than using subsets. What do you think?
Anyway, thanks for your time and many thanks for your patience!