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Old 01-03-2021, 12:14 PM   #11301
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Does it have ability to lock strategy/nodelock(lets say: alwaysbet certain types: OESD, FD, pair, overcards) in database mode that way you could create custom strategies over group of flops easier.
We don't offer this, because hand values like OESD, FD, etc have entirely different meanings across different flops. For example, a trip flop has different hand values than a two-flush unpaired flop. It's often not possible to carry over strategies from one flop to another.
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Old 01-05-2021, 08:14 AM   #11302
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Hi scylla, I've noticed you've introduced the dark mode feature, it's great.
However, may I ask you whether there's a parameter I can tweak in order to change the grey color into a darker one?

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Old 01-05-2021, 12:14 PM   #11303
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As stated before, adding this data together over different trees, and over different turns is rather troublesome. These points are reached with entirely different ranges, and with entirely different frequencies. Also, some lines will have a weight of 100%, whereas others will have a weight of less than 1%. All-in-all, it involves adding data that really isn't suitable for being added.
I understand that. And based on my estimation, if we're using extensive storage, then some of these could definitely take some time (in Pio, river reports over multiple files can take 2-3hrs, maybe even more). All I'm asking is that you take this into consideration for future releases, as it's not just me but a lot of people that would really appreciate this feature. I understand that it might be hard to implement, so I appreciate your patience in addressing my posts.
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Old 01-05-2021, 01:21 PM   #11304
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Hi scylla, I've noticed you've introduced the dark mode feature, it's great.
However, may I ask you whether there's a parameter I can tweak in order to change the grey color into a darker one?

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At the moment there's no such option, but I will see if customization can be added here.
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Old 01-05-2021, 09:21 PM   #11305
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I try building a tree and it 'says memory for solving:1.5GB' and then I cant run the sim because it says theres isnt enough memory. However I have 8gb in my laptop so it should be possible no?
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Old 01-06-2021, 03:33 AM   #11306
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I try building a tree and it 'says memory for solving:1.5GB' and then I cant run the sim because it says theres isnt enough memory. However I have 8gb in my laptop so it should be possible no?
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Can you press Ctrl+Shift+Esc for the Task Manager?
You can check the available RAM under the tab "Performance".
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Old 01-06-2021, 05:19 AM   #11307
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Hello Scylla I recently had the problem that the GTO + crashes while it is a subset solve, so I checked whether the PC is overloaded that doesn't seem to be the case, what could be the problem? https://share-your-photo.com/63b373977d
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Old 01-06-2021, 08:33 AM   #11308
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Hello Scylla I recently had the problem that the GTO + crashes while it is a subset solve, so I checked whether the PC is overloaded that doesn't seem to be the case, what could be the problem? https://share-your-photo.com/63b373977d
Based on what I can see in the image that you've shared, my best guess is that at some point during solving the database, you're running out of RAM. The AAK two-tone board that you were solving left you with 5/8GB RAM free. Two-tone and paired boards take much less memory to solve compared to rainbow and unpaired ones. So on a flop like KQ4r, you'd need a lot more memory. And when solving databases, the solved trees will be compressed but will still need to be stored in RAM for purposes of calculating aggregation data. So it seems likely that this is the root of the problem.

Try to see if you can reproduce the same issue by solving a different database with very simple trees and ranges. If it's working fine there but crashes when solving the subset, then RAM is the likely problem.
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Old 01-06-2021, 08:46 AM   #11309
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Hello Scylla I recently had the problem that the GTO + crashes while it is a subset solve, so I checked whether the PC is overloaded that doesn't seem to be the case, what could be the problem? https://share-your-photo.com/63b373977d
Does the crash happen consistently at the same point?
If so, then please send a savefile to support.
I don't see anything wrong in your screenshot.
There seems to be enough RAM, and the CPU is well below 100%.
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Old 01-06-2021, 09:37 AM   #11310
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https://gyazo.com/b5a384051414293c6b4453bcc811b7f0

This is while solving a tree on GTO+.
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Old 01-06-2021, 10:56 AM   #11311
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https://gyazo.com/b5a384051414293c6b4453bcc811b7f0

This is while solving a tree on GTO+.
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Are you perhaps using the 32bit version?
In 32bit, Windows sets a restriction that at most 1.5GB can be used by any program.
If this is the case, then please switch to the 64bit version.
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Old 01-06-2021, 11:00 AM   #11312
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Hello Scylla I recently had the problem that the GTO + crashes while it is a subset solve, so I checked whether the PC is overloaded that doesn't seem to be the case, what could be the problem? https://share-your-photo.com/63b373977d
Are you perhaps using "Extensive" storage when this occurs? A database with "Extensive" storage can require a substantial amount of RAM. If so, then it's possible that you run out of RAM throughout solving the database (the amount of RAM that's needed to store the database will steadily increase with every solved tree). In v132 I would still not expect this to be an issue (v132 checks before every tree if enough RAM is available), but it's not entirely impossible.
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Old 01-06-2021, 01:17 PM   #11313
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Bottom left of GTO+ says 64bit/GTO+ v1.3.2 so I think I'm using the right version.
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Old 01-06-2021, 01:48 PM   #11314
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Bottom left of GTO+ says 64bit/GTO+ v1.3.2 so I think I'm using the right version.
If you click on the GB icon, a menu "Memory customization" will come up.
Did you perhaps set a custom amount of RAM?

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Old 01-06-2021, 05:37 PM   #11315
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The limit was set on 1.5GB. Should I set the limit to 8GB? That how much I have.
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Old 01-06-2021, 05:59 PM   #11316
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The limit was set on 1.5GB. Should I set the limit to 8GB? That how much I have.
It's best to leave the field empty.
GTO+ will auto-detect how much RAM is available.
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Old 01-06-2021, 09:10 PM   #11317
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When I leave the field empty the program assigns it a really small amount of RAM.
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Old 01-07-2021, 02:52 AM   #11318
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Are you perhaps using "Extensive" storage when this occurs? A database with "Extensive" storage can require a substantial amount of RAM. If so, then it's possible that you run out of RAM throughout solving the database (the amount of RAM that's needed to store the database will steadily increase with every solved tree). In v132 I would still not expect this to be an issue (v132 checks before every tree if enough RAM is available), but it's not entirely impossible.
no the error doesn't always seem to happen at the same time, sometimes with the first flop and sometimes with a later flop, for test purposes I took an old SBvsMP 3bet game plan that did not cause any PC performance problems months ago, and yet it is crashing now With it just off, and I've tried both Basic & Extensive storage, nothing seems to change
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no the error doesn't always seem to happen at the same time, sometimes with the first flop and sometimes with a later flop, for test purposes I took an old SBvsMP 3bet game plan that did not cause any PC performance problems months ago, and yet it is crashing now With it just off, and I've tried both Basic & Extensive storage, nothing seems to change
Ok, can you send a savefile to support?
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Old 01-07-2021, 04:03 AM   #11320
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When I leave the field empty the program assigns it a really small amount of RAM.
So how much does it detect, and how much is present according to the task manager?
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Task manager says 3.8/7.9 GB of RAM. When I leave the field empty it detects 1.5GB. When I put 8GB in the field it allows me to solve bigger trees.
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Task manager says 3.8/7.9 GB of RAM. When I leave the field empty it detects 1.5GB. When I put 8GB in the field it allows me to solve bigger trees.
I suppose that if you have 3.8GB, then you could set a manual limit of 3.5GB.
As long as you don't exceed your available RAM, then there shouldn't be any problem.
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Old 01-07-2021, 09:10 AM   #11323
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Will basic storage allow for more RAM to be available? Any other tips for some1 with limited RAM?
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Old 01-07-2021, 10:39 AM   #11324
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Will basic storage allow for more RAM to be available? Any other tips for some1 with limited RAM?
If you're working with a datase, then you may want to use "Basic" storage. This is because in "Extensive" storage, individual trees require more RAM. When working with a single tree, this is rarely a problem, but if, for example, you have 100 trees that each require 50MB, then this will add up to 5GB.

An alternative is to export your database into its separate trees, solve the individual trees, and then merge them together again into a database. Here is a description of how to do this: https://www.gtoplus.com/processingdatabase/

Other than that, it's probably best to use single bet sizes on the the turn and river. Your trees will become smaller, and require less RAM (also, they will solve faster). Using simplification on the turn/river will not be an issue, given that these lines are only needed to estimate the EV of hands in later phases of the board. Overly much detail is not needed for this.

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Old 01-07-2021, 08:12 PM   #11325
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How to connect flopzila pro and gto + in order to export ranges from flopzila. Tried connect, same port number does not work.

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