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09-10-2020 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Rodrigo4073
I've made a custom subset for study purposes, it has 465 flops. When i try to see the database distribution in the aggregated reports i see in some parts of the tree the complete number of 465 flops, but when certain actions are made, and i go to another part of the tree, it reduces the number of flops, i will point it in a couple of images. (there were also cases that more than 1 flop was missing).
I just had a thought while reading this: have you checked if the part of the tree you are studying exists in the flops that disappear? (I mean if the actions leading to this spot are taken more than 0% of the time)
I wouldn't be surprised if the missing flops are the ones where the actions you have selected are never taken, and there is no data to display since the branch doesn't exist.
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09-11-2020 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by MadCat
Scylla,

Do you prefer to have a GTO solution to include hands commonly found in re-raising pre-flop ranges, hands like Aces and Kings and Ace-King suited-- do you prefer these hands to be in both in-position and out-of-position’s ranges all at 100%, rather than automatically assume that “villian” or whomever is re-raising with these hands X% of the time?
GTO+ can work out the GTO solution, regardless of weights.
So there shouldn't be any issues there.
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09-11-2020 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Rodrigo4073
Hello Scyla, hope you are doing fine. Something is bugging me when trying to work with some reports, i will detail and show you the screenshot.

I've made a custom subset for study purposes, it has 465 flops. When i try to see the database distribution in the aggregated reports i see in some parts of the tree the complete number of 465 flops, but when certain actions are made, and i go to another part of the tree, it reduces the number of flops, i will point it in a couple of images. (there were also cases that more than 1 flop was missing)


If a line is reached 0% of the time, then it's no longer displayed, given that equity/ev is no longer applicable.

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Originally Posted by Rodrigo4073
Another thing that i noticed is that sometimes it changes the order in which the flops are shown, even when i sort it "alphabetically", these images show that.


There's different sorting methods that can be very similar.
So can you try sorting again?
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09-11-2020 , 01:01 AM
Hello, scylla.

The ranges from the tree are not exporting accurately to flopzilla pro with ctrl+f. It works accurately only at the first decision (combos match) node but when trying to export the ranges for specific actions (by clicking on it in the tree and/or selecting tab in the analysis screen), it exports inaccurate ranges, that is combos don't mach by large margins (example, analysis window says 211 combos flopzilla says 58). This doesn't improve when unselecting flop.

Using the trial version of flopzilla pro.
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09-11-2020 , 03:24 AM
Is there a command to indicate that you want a geometric size. for example: writing 2e in PIO means Geometric size 2x.
https://gyazo.com/acc5524b733d3efd6fe604e3cde37cbe
Would be great to have that option in the "custom bets"
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09-11-2020 , 09:29 AM
Hi Scylla, the software is getting greater and greater.
Suggestion:
In the "play against solution/play against the database" tool, it would be nice if you could force an opponent move.
For instance: opponent always probes turn or check raise the cbet etc.
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09-11-2020 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Lovemetwice
Hi Scylla, the software is getting greater and greater.

Suggestion:

In the "play against solution/play against the database" tool, it would be nice if you could force an opponent move.

For instance: opponent always probes turn or check raise the cbet etc.
+1 great idea
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09-11-2020 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovemetwice
Hi Scylla, the software is getting greater and greater.
Suggestion:
In the "play against solution/play against the database" tool, it would be nice if you could force an opponent move.
For instance: opponent always probes turn or check raise the cbet etc.
At the moment you can use the "Drill" option to play versus a specific line.
However, we can consider adding more extensive functionality here for future releases.

Last edited by scylla; 09-11-2020 at 03:04 PM.
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09-11-2020 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by carlos243
Is there a command to indicate that you want a geometric size. for example: writing 2e in PIO means Geometric size 2x.
https://gyazo.com/acc5524b733d3efd6fe604e3cde37cbe
Would be great to have that option in the "custom bets"
The ability to use geometric sizing is available in the editor. It's not available in the tree builder, because multiple stack-to-pot ratios may apply to any of the edit fields. So input like "2e" may not always be applicable to the situation.

Last edited by scylla; 09-11-2020 at 02:53 PM.
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09-11-2020 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by abstractdude
Hello, scylla.

The ranges from the tree are not exporting accurately to flopzilla pro with ctrl+f. It works accurately only at the first decision (combos match) node but when trying to export the ranges for specific actions (by clicking on it in the tree and/or selecting tab in the analysis screen), it exports inaccurate ranges, that is combos don't mach by large margins (example, analysis window says 211 combos flopzilla says 58). This doesn't improve when unselecting flop.

Using the trial version of flopzilla pro.
The trial version for FlopzillaPro only works for a Td9d6h flop.
Are you perhaps not exporting from GTO+ from the same flop?
Should the above not apply to you, can you then send a savefile to support?

Last edited by scylla; 09-11-2020 at 03:10 PM.
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09-11-2020 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
The trial version for FlopzillaPro only works for a Td9d6h flop.
Are you perhaps not exporting from GTO+ from the same flop?
Should the above not apply to you, can you then send a savefile to support?
Is it not possible to just export the ranges as text, so I am not forced to purchase flopzilla?

Last edited by abstractdude; 09-11-2020 at 03:56 PM.
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09-11-2020 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by rogorz
I just had a thought while reading this: have you checked if the part of the tree you are studying exists in the flops that disappear? (I mean if the actions leading to this spot are taken more than 0% of the time)
I wouldn't be surprised if the missing flops are the ones where the actions you have selected are never taken, and there is no data to display since the branch doesn't exist.
Hello, thanks for your input man, and yes, i checked that, the thing is that it's very difficult to even find what flop is missing since there are 465 and very similar ones. The lines i selected are only cbet 66% sizing and response to that, there were multiple flops with 0% with that action, and only 1 was missing in the response.


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Originally Posted by scylla
If a line is reached 0% of the time, then it's no longer displayed, given that equity/ev is no longer applicable.



There's different sorting methods that can be very similar.
So can you try sorting again?
As i responded to the other user, there were multiple flops where that action happened 0% of the time (i checked if it was 0% or 0.002% just to be sure) and only 1 flop was missing in that particular one i checked. I will be more specific, in this case it was "Check" (465 flops), "Bet 66%" (465 flops), "Response to that Bet 66%" (464 flops), and there were 6 flops in which there was 0% of "bet 66%" on the second action. I couldn't figure out which one was missing since there were a lot and i don't have a lot of time for that. I might be doing something dumb or missing something obvious maybe, sorry if that's the case.

I have found that there are 3 methods of sorting, in the one i using, which is the most "alphabetically" one, i had this problem when seeing the order of flops at different points of a tree. And yes, i tried sorting multiple times but same results.

Thanks for your time Scylla.
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09-11-2020 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by abstractdude
Is it not possible to just export the ranges as text, so I am not forced to purchase flopzilla?
Well, purchased anyway (still, it would be nice to be able to export the hands via text to other software).

Regarding the issue of nº combos not matching, the problem was that flopzilla doesn't automatically switch to player 2 when exporting one of his ranges from gto+.

Cheers.
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09-12-2020 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by abstractdude
Is it not possible to just export the ranges as text, so I am not forced to purchase flopzilla?
We offer text output, however, this is not in the form of regular range strings.
I can consider adding range string output for future releases though.

Last edited by scylla; 09-12-2020 at 02:03 AM.
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09-12-2020 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by abstractdude
Well, purchased anyway (still, it would be nice to be able to export the hands via text to other software).

Regarding the issue of nº combos not matching, the problem was that flopzilla doesn't automatically switch to player 2 when exporting one of his ranges from gto+.

Cheers.
Ok, thank you for letting me know.
I'm not sure if there's a reason why we're using this approach, but I'll check.

Last edited by scylla; 09-12-2020 at 01:57 AM.
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09-12-2020 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Rodrigo4073
Hello, thanks for your input man, and yes, i checked that, the thing is that it's very difficult to even find what flop is missing since there are 465 and very similar ones. The lines i selected are only cbet 66% sizing and response to that, there were multiple flops with 0% with that action, and only 1 was missing in the response.
The flops with 0% that are probably still present with something like 0.001%. As long as ranges are present in a line, the flop will be included in the table. If no range is present, then it's no longer possible to calculate EV and equity. Depending on what the user is doing, it may or may not make sense to still display flops that are no longer present, so this is not an entirely straightforward decision, but I'll see what I can do.

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Originally Posted by Rodrigo4073
I have found that there are 3 methods of sorting, in the one i using, which is the most "alphabetically" one, i had this problem when seeing the order of flops at different points of a tree. And yes, i tried sorting multiple times but same results.
Yes, I do believe that there are 3 methods. One of them will place the flops in the exact same order as they are in the database. So if the other sorting methods don't work for you, then at the very least this one will lead to consistent results.

Last edited by scylla; 09-12-2020 at 02:02 AM.
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09-12-2020 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
The flops with 0% that are probably still present with something like 0.001%. As long as ranges are present in a line, the flop will be included in the table. If no range is present, then it's no longer possible to calculate EV and equity. Depending on what the user is doing, it may or may not make sense to still display flops that are no longer present, so this is not an entirely straightforward decision, but I'll see what I can do.



Yes, I do believe that there are 3 methods. One of them will place the flops in the exact same order as they are in the database. So if the other sorting methods don't work for you, then at the very least this one will lead to consistent results.
Thanks for you answer Scylla, hopefully you can add something to sort out the first situation. In the second issue, i will stick with that original order from the database, in that case it does mantain it correctly.

Thanks for your help.
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09-12-2020 , 12:25 PM
Question. In CREV, is the "strategy ev before blinds" value useful? I remember in the tutorial they said it is not tat useful, or am i mistaken?

For instance im trying to model a preflop 5bet scenario with the equilibrium solver. After solving, is says strategy ev for bb is -0.13 and for bb it is 0.13.
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09-12-2020 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by abstractdude
Question. In CREV, is the "strategy ev before blinds" value useful? I remember in the tutorial they said it is not tat useful, or am i mistaken?

For instance im trying to model a preflop 5bet scenario with the equilibrium solver. After solving, is says strategy ev for bb is -0.13 and for bb it is 0.13.
Well, now I want to save the ranges given by the equilibrium solver and i cant. Control+f doesn't work. The output text in the crev native matrix just outputs "all hands". How do i do this (other than hand by hand which is rather slow)?

Last edited by abstractdude; 09-12-2020 at 01:09 PM.
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09-13-2020 , 05:15 AM
Newbie Q. When i call with my hand instead of fold on the flop IP the hand combo is now ignored/blacked out, got no info, for the rest of the hand.

How do i change this? I want to know what to do with the hand on the river even if a different decision was taken in the hand?
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09-13-2020 , 06:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12Ev29InSpM is this my answer 8 minutes in? Or is there another way?
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09-13-2020 , 08:03 AM
Can we read somewhere about GTO+ algorithm (engine? I'm not sure what it's called) or is it a bit of a secret?
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09-13-2020 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
At the moment you can use the "Drill" option to play versus a specific line.
However, we can consider adding more extensive functionality here for future releases.
Exactly, it's possible drill a decision when playing vs current tree.

My suggestion was to be albe to drill a decision against the database.

thank you for considering it!
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09-13-2020 , 06:32 PM
Bug Report:

Equity and EV stats are missing from the Aggregate tab while in Dark Mode.
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09-13-2020 , 11:44 PM
Hello.

I was seeting up a simple AKQ like game on the river on CREV and GTO+ and discovered that neither software can give equilibrium solutions for pot sized bets or bigger.

Is this a known issue? Am I missing something here?

ps: The way I work around this in CREV with pot sized bets it to make the bet one dollar or bb less than full pot. However this does not work for GTO+, which converts any 95% pot bet into a 100% pot bet. Still not possible to work with overbets in neither of them.
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