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06-25-2020 , 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 2wk2slw
Hi, scylla. Thanks for adding "0 size" feature in advaced tree building which i was asked some months ago
I have a similar problem right now. I wanna edit tree manually (through the "edit tree icon"), but when i accept the changes my initial tree in "advance settings" doesn't change and i'm not able to save the result.
Second problem arising from this - i can't even run the database on my edited tree.
I see two things that could be done:
1) add "d" and "c" letters for ip player ott and otr, where letter "d" means "delay cbet" (previous street was xx), "c" means "c-bet" (previous street was xb). it solves the problem when i wanna have different sizing for different lines at later streets.
2) add the ability to save manually edited tree

sorry for my english and thanks for your work again.
To edit a tree:
1) Load the tree into the editor with "IMPORT TREE"
2) Make any edits as you see fit
3) Click on "ACCEPT CHANGES" to aquire the new tree

To build a database from the edited tree:
1) Clear your database
2) Build the database again from the edited tree

Just to be clear, editing a tree will not affect your entire database; the database needs to be rebuilt.
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06-25-2020 , 03:52 AM
Hello Scylla,
I am also very satisfied with GTO+ and I recommend it in my poker community a lot. I even created couple of videos about GTO + for the biggest Czech poker website.

Couple of things I would like to see added:
1)partial locking of range: we have disscused this previously and I know you werent much into this, but it is really usefull for studying exploits and/or strategy simplifications wich are two things that players look more into lately. These things are really more important for real play than pure theory/Nash based studying.

2) make the DEL key work
3) default raise next to default bet in Advanced tree builder - the first bet on each street will be the size in "default bet" and all reraises would be the "default raise", in both X% and Nx formats preferably.
4) possibility to view composition of opponents range (set, two pair etc) when we have a specified holding

Thanks for considering those!
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06-25-2020 , 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
To edit a tree:
1) Load the tree into the editor with "IMPORT TREE"
2) Make any edits as you see fit
3) Click on "ACCEPT CHANGES" to aquire the new tree

To build a database from the edited tree:
1) Clear your database
2) Build the database again from the edited tree

Just to be clear, editing a tree will not affect your entire database; the database needs to be rebuilt.
ok, it works for database.
but wish i have ability to save edited tree anyway, if it possible
by save i mean adding that tree to "available profiles"
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06-25-2020 , 06:03 PM
Hi scylla, I believe we're supposed to be able to see opponents EQ when hovering over the 1 at the start of the game tree but it doesn't show for me and when I right click the 1, the EV at the bottom disappears and have to rerun the sim to get it back? Any thoughts? Is this a known bug?
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06-25-2020 , 09:08 PM
This is a minor thing, but one improvement to the database aggregate reports might be to allow selecting of a "specific range" instead of just "specific hand". For example I might want to check the EV on various boards of all the 87s instead of just 8d7d. Or perhaps I want to see 87s, 76s, and 65s. Even if it's just a syntax input field if there's not a good way to fit a fully fleshed out hand matrix with suit selection.
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06-25-2020 , 11:06 PM
Is it possible to remove a tree from a database?
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06-26-2020 , 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by alkaatch
Hello Scylla,
I am also very satisfied with GTO+ and I recommend it in my poker community a lot. I even created couple of videos about GTO + for the biggest Czech poker website.

Couple of things I would like to see added:
1)partial locking of range: we have disscused this previously and I know you werent much into this, but it is really usefull for studying exploits and/or strategy simplifications wich are two things that players look more into lately. These things are really more important for real play than pure theory/Nash based studying.

2) make the DEL key work
3) default raise next to default bet in Advanced tree builder - the first bet on each street will be the size in "default bet" and all reraises would be the "default raise", in both X% and Nx formats preferably.
4) possibility to view composition of opponents range (set, two pair etc) when we have a specified holding

Thanks for considering those!
Ok, I will consider it for future releases.
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06-26-2020 , 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by 2wk2slw
ok, it works for database.
but wish i have ability to save edited tree anyway, if it possible
by save i mean adding that tree to "available profiles"
The profiles only store the settings in the "Advanced" menu. They can not contain a tree, given that any change to the pot or stacks would mean that the profile would no longer work. That being said, you can simply create a savefile of your tree. Whenever you need it, load your savefile. Then make any changes to the ranges/board/etc as you see fit, go to "Build tree", go to the "Rebuild" tab and click on "Rebuild with current settings".

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06-26-2020 , 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Dejavudu666
Hi scylla, I believe we're supposed to be able to see opponents EQ when hovering over the 1 at the start of the game tree but it doesn't show for me and when I right click the 1, the EV at the bottom disappears and have to rerun the sim to get it back? Any thoughts? Is this a known bug?
Mousing over the 1 does not display its equity.
Right-clicking it will lock it for the solver.
Being in "Edit" mode, the EV will no longer be valid.
I think that I will actually remove the right-click option though.
We added it in development, but I think that it's probably better left out.
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06-26-2020 , 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ballin4life
This is a minor thing, but one improvement to the database aggregate reports might be to allow selecting of a "specific range" instead of just "specific hand". For example I might want to check the EV on various boards of all the 87s instead of just 8d7d. Or perhaps I want to see 87s, 76s, and 65s. Even if it's just a syntax input field if there's not a good way to fit a fully fleshed out hand matrix with suit selection.
Ok, I will consider it for future releases.
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06-26-2020 , 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by thoughtxriot
Is it possible to remove a tree from a database?
For this you can use CTRL+right-click.

Last edited by scylla; 06-26-2020 at 02:41 AM.
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06-26-2020 , 09:14 AM
This could have been asked, and possibly would not be viable.

But, I've created a solve with multiple flop sizes, but simplified 1 size for turn and river.

Would it be possible to lock the strategy from the flop, and then edit a more complicated tree for Turn/River?

I understand that turn+ solve stake less time and presum the EV loss vs a full solve will be minimal.
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06-26-2020 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Danshiel350
This could have been asked, and possibly would not be viable.

But, I've created a solve with multiple flop sizes, but simplified 1 size for turn and river.

Would it be possible to lock the strategy from the flop, and then edit a more complicated tree for Turn/River?

I understand that turn+ solve stake less time and presum the EV loss vs a full solve will be minimal.
Yes, you can use the editor to make edits to the turn/river (such as adding more bet sizes).
After making your changes, click on "ACCEPT CHANGES".
If no changes were made to the flop, then the flop solution will be maintained.
To solve a turn/river line again, navigate to that line and click on the "re-solve" icon.

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06-27-2020 , 01:17 AM
Hello

pretty new to the program, love it so far!

Q: is it possible to force the algorithm to NOT use compression?
(if not, possible to add it?)

cheers
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06-27-2020 , 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Nitti Vitti
Hello

pretty new to the program, love it so far!

Q: is it possible to force the algorithm to NOT use compression?
(if not, possible to add it?)

cheers
We're making some changes to the approach to compression, so please check again in v131.

Last edited by scylla; 06-27-2020 at 03:08 AM.
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06-27-2020 , 09:12 AM
I've been using extensive storage, I know basic doesn't save turns and rivers and this is negligible so it's ill advised to use extensive storage. Are the only hindrances;

When studying the solution it'll take a few seconds to calculate turns and rivers?

When playing against the solution it'll take a few seconds to draw turns and rivers?

Also can anyone advise me if it will be slower whilst browsing the gametree/solution if we save files to HD instead of SSD? I've been saving to SSD but feel this is superfluous and wondered what everyone else did and if there is any "drawbacks" to saving to HD instead?

Thanks.
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06-27-2020 , 04:25 PM
I was wondering when we're inputting custom bet sizes when building our tree and lets say on the turn we choose to bet 50% but also add a 50c option for cbet (so it would look like "50, 50c"), will this work and GTO+ will choose the correct option for the turn depending on our action on the flop?
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06-28-2020 , 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Cal Gore
I was wondering when we're inputting custom bet sizes when building our tree and lets say on the turn we choose to bet 50% but also add a 50c option for cbet (so it would look like "50, 50c"), will this work and GTO+ will choose the correct option for the turn depending on our action on the flop?
Input like just "50" will be interpreted as "50c,50p,50d".
So "50,50c" will be read as "50c,50p,50d,50c", where 50c is added twice.
The duplicate 50c will be ignored.
Should you use "50,60c", then this will be read as "50c,50p,50d,60c".
Therefore, cbet spots will have two bets: 50% and 60%.
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06-28-2020 , 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Dejavudu666
I've been using extensive storage, I know basic doesn't save turns and rivers and this is negligible so it's ill advised to use extensive storage. Are the only hindrances;

When studying the solution it'll take a few seconds to calculate turns and rivers?

When playing against the solution it'll take a few seconds to draw turns and rivers?
The only additional difference is that in "Extensive" storage, turn reports will also contain data for individual hands.
This is not a hughely important feature though.


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Originally Posted by Dejavudu666
Also can anyone advise me if it will be slower whilst browsing the gametree/solution if we save files to HD instead of SSD? I've been saving to SSD but feel this is superfluous and wondered what everyone else did and if there is any "drawbacks" to saving to HD instead?
Thanks.
The tree is stored in RAM, and not read from disc.
Therefore, the type of storage will not affect tree navigation.
It will at most affect how quickly savefiles are loaded.
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06-28-2020 , 03:06 PM
hi scylla,

1. is there a way to add EqR to my aggregated report?
2. is it possible to solve a spot from MTT with GTO+ using ICM structure?
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06-29-2020 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by DeuceOTR
hi scylla,
1. is there a way to add EqR to my aggregated report?
EV scales directly with realized equity (realized equity is EV divided by pot).
So you can just look at EV.

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Originally Posted by DeuceOTR
2. is it possible to solve a spot from MTT with GTO+ using ICM structure?
At the moment we only offer Cash games and Sit&Go. We'll probably include more options for later releases. That being said, please observe that GTO does not fully apply to tournament situations. If villain deviates from his GTO strategy, then your own GTO strategy will no longer be valid either, and needs to be adapted. This as opposed to cash games, where your own GTO strategy will always work. It's for this reason that we're currently not overly focussed on adding non-zero-sum spots to GTO+.

Last edited by scylla; 06-29-2020 at 02:39 AM.
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06-29-2020 , 11:55 AM
Hey Scylla,

where can I find a 32-bit version of CREV?

Thanks
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06-29-2020 , 01:14 PM
Hi scylla, would you consider adding a mean frequency of actions when hovering over a specific combo on the matrix to get a quick overview?
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06-29-2020 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Vvvvv
Hey Scylla,

where can I find a 32-bit version of CREV?

Thanks
Go here for download: https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/c...v336_32bit.msi
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06-29-2020 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Dejavudu666
Hi scylla, would you consider adding a mean frequency of actions when hovering over a specific combo on the matrix to get a quick overview?
When mousing over an item, the table will reflect its contents.
The mean frequency and other data can be found in the summary below the table.

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