this works, thank you!

Wow! The marriage between the new session history feature and playing against a database based on an appropriately sized subset (I like 80 for a good balance between calculation speed and preflop EV accuracy) with the "No hints" toggled on takes GTO learning to another level, and that is not an exaggeration. Any serious student should seriously consider incorporating this into their study routine right now. It is so useful to play like you normally would and either gain confidence that you are playing such and such spots correctly while being able to quickly go back and look at any "suboptimal" mistakes. And of course we can then go down all the various rabbit holes we all know and love from there. It's just a great way to test yourself and find trouble spots which can lead into new and interesting spots and new and interesting ways of looking at a situation. Just my two cents. I really just came here to say how much I love this new feature!

Is it possible to input geometric and allin sizings when I am building a tree? What are those shortcuts called?

Also how can I input raise sizes of minraise, 3x, 4.5x etc? Is way too difficult for me to calculate in terms of the pot %...

Is there a way I can see in the aggregate reports turn and river barelling by IP after a range bet? What about flop check raise for oop?

I can consider it for future releases.

In the newly released v127 this can be done in the editor. For that, use the option "Basic play, geometric bet sizing". The number of geometric followup bets can be chosen in a dropdown. For all-in just choose 1x.



In the advanced tree builder, use input such as "3x".

Thanks for your help.

I mentioned this idea to you in an email, but how about creating a discord?

There is one I joined yesterday called zenithpoker but to say it is the blind leading the blind would be really generous...

Hi Scylla,

So I was wondering: If I'm running a solve BUvBB SRP, where IP can bet 33%, 70%, 125% on the flop.

I know that the EV of betting each sizing with each hand is almost identical and there is profitable strategies given any 1 betsize (that gives IP same overall EV), doesn't need multiple

But I was wondering why it opts to bet the 125% sizing 40% of the time despite there being no EV difference? Is it the same with other mixed decisions with specific hands on later streets where the frequency it does it at is essentially random?

I don't think that my strengths are to be found there, so it's probably better if I don't.

A similar overall performance can be achieved with a different configuration of the bets.
I wouldn't assign much meaning there.

Anybody could do GTO+ tree/setup example for live 2/5 with straddle (Mississippi) situations?
Lets say Hero ( 100 bb deep cutoff ) reraises 5 - 10$ limpers to 90$ and is reraised to 250$ by original straddle ( button ).

Or something similar.

Analysis in GTO+ starts on the flop. So you would just need to enter the ranges for both players, the pot and the stacks. For a short demonstration video on how to set up a tree go here: https://youtu.be/YuRsCQajRBA

This is true in many spots, but definitely not in all of them, especially on the river.

It also depends on how you look at the EVs. Even some very naive strategies that are far from GTO will capture quite a lot of EV from the pot, compositon of preflop ranges and how hard the flop hits them will have a big impact on postflop EV even if the quality of postflop play is quite bad. So if the pot is 12, but even a very simple strategy like check/calling down with every semi-good hand and folding the rest still captures lets say 4 from the pot even whe being max-exploited and GTO multisizing play captures 6,5, then you should be measuring the quality of a sizing and coresponding strategy based on how big part of the 2,5 it can get. But we usually measure it compared to the size of the full pot, so the difference seems negligible and we conclude, that all sizings are similar. But if you measure it against the 2,5, it will be clear that the "all sizings are equal" is actually not describing the situation that well.

How can I rent a server with GTO+ on it?

I have no experience in this myself, but perhaps someone else here does.

The goal here is not just to have a strategy that performs well against villain's GTO range; it will also need to defend against being counter-exploited. The check/call strategy that you describe will perform very poorly in this second area, and it would be unfairly generous to assign it such a high performance. Other than that, please note that when it comes to playing GTO, there's two factors. The first is the quality of play (the GTO strategy itself for a given tree), and the second is which bet sizes to use. Not only is perfect GTO play basically a super-human task; it also completely dwarves bet sizing in its importance. Small mistakes in the quality of play can significantly affect your EV performance, whereas huge mistakes in bet sizing will barely affect your EV at all. It's for this reason that I would strongly recommend focussing on quality of play, and to just pick any bet size that you prefer.

Hello ,sorry if I miss the info but is it possible to import pio r?anges in .cfr format.
Or basicaly where can I find ranges for GTO+?

scylla hello!

I have some pio solutions in CFR format and I wanted to know if there is any way to visualize them in gto +, thanks!

The format .cfr is pio savefile format. Unfortunately it's not possible for us to support this, given that it's just not an achievable goal to maintain code for third party products in the long term.

The format .cfr is actually the pio savefile format; it's not its preflop ranges.
Pio preflop ranges are stored in one of its subdirectories in .txt files.
I believe that it's the directory /Ranges.

To import pio ranges into GTO+:

1) Create a directory /pio in GTO+'s directory (most likely C:/program files/GTO)
2) Copy the pio ranges (from /Ranges) into this directory
3) Start GTO+
4) Go to “Settings->Import predef ranges" in its menu
5) Select “pio” in the first toggle
6) Click on “IMPORT RANGES” (see screenshot)

The ranges will now be stored to the file newdefs3.txt in the subdirectory /config of GTO+.

I dont understand how to load and save databases. If I run a set of X flops with ranges for a 3bet scenario my database pulls everything up. How do I then keep that saved and start a new database that I can use for a different scenario with ranges and pot sizes? How to switch between the multiple databases I'm creating?

To save a file, either press Ctrl+S or go to "File->Save as ..." in the menu.
To start a new file, either press Ctrl+N or go to "File->New" in the menu.

Spaces are removed from the name when adding new preflop ranges. Eg "HJ Def" becomes "HJDef". Is this intentional? Didn't happen to me before

Edit: noticed the same for saving setting profiles

It's not intentional; I will take a look at it tomorrow and change it back.

I'm using a 4k monitor. I can't remember how to adjust the size in the app. Everything is really small. Any help?