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12-26-2019 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by KN-
Hi Scylla,

Is there any way to get an aggregate report (for a database) for turn actions? Specifically I want to find aggregate fold % vs turn delayed cbet.
So to add to this: I can find out aggregate data for the OOP player by looking at the turn reports and averaging it in excel. But is there any other way?

Also for actions such as IP turn bet: the turn report doesn't display any data except EV+Equity on each turn. For example I want to find out the average turn bet frequency after flop goes: OOP Check, IP Bet, OOP Call
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12-27-2019 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by KN-
So to add to this: I can find out aggregate data for the OOP player by looking at the turn reports and averaging it in excel. But is there any other way?
Averaging should bring you close to the actual value, however, currently there's no dedicated feature for this. I can consider adding it for later releases though.


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Originally Posted by KN-
Also for actions such as IP turn bet: the turn report doesn't display any data except EV+Equity on each turn. For example I want to find out the average turn bet frequency after flop goes: OOP Check, IP Bet, OOP Call
If OOP has multiple actions, then there will also be multiple spots where IP gets to act. So for example, if OOP either bets or checks then IP's actions would need to be displayed separately for each scenario by OOP. And each data point will have been measured for a different range and frequency for OOP. This means that this data for IP is essentially not suitable for being displayed in a table/graph. We can decide to ignore this, and plot it anyhow for later releases, but right at this moment it has been left out for this reason.
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12-27-2019 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Gene2x
Is there any way to see the equity distribution according to which card falls on the next street (hotness chart)?
Yes, this is available in the turn reports. For this, click on the next turn card for the relevant line, and click on "Turn report".




Equity is one of the available output modes.
It's also possible to plot EV, Bet % and Check %.

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12-27-2019 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Averaging should bring you close to the actual value, however, currently there's no dedicated feature for this. I can consider adding it for later releases though.




If OOP has multiple actions, then there will also be multiple spots where IP gets to act. So for example, if OOP either bets or checks then IP's actions would need to be displayed separately for each scenario by OOP. And each data point will have been measured for a different range and frequency for OOP. This means that this data for IP is essentially not suitable for being displayed in a table/graph. We can decide to ignore this, and plot it anyhow for later releases, but right at this moment it has been left out for this reason.
Wouldnt it be possible to select the action of the OOP player ott and see how IP reacts. I.e. we select "OOP checks" and see how often IP bets/checks when. Or we select "OOP bets turn" and we can see how IP reacts (raise,fold,call). So only the action of IP vs a selected action of OOP is being displayed. Haha, sorry dont know if you get what i mean
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12-27-2019 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
If OOP has multiple actions, then there will also be multiple spots where IP gets to act. So for example, if OOP either bets or checks then IP's actions would need to be displayed separately for each scenario by OOP. And each data point will have been measured for a different range and frequency for OOP. This means that this data for IP is essentially not suitable for being displayed in a table/graph. We can decide to ignore this, and plot it anyhow for later releases, but right at this moment it has been left out for this reason.
1) There are many situations where a player performs an action 99% or even 100% of the time but I still can't see the other player's response in the reports. For example this happens extremely often when you allow OOP to donk bet (perhaps on a few turns it will have some donk bets, but on every other turn it's 100% check and you still can't see the response).

2) As long as the user is aware that there is a more detailed interaction going on why not allow them to interpret this on their own? It could be useful for example to see something like "OOP bets 50% of the time, but IP only raises that bet 1% of the time" to know that you probably can't raise aggressively without weakening the rest of your strategy. As long as the two numbers are next to each other the user should be able to remember "hey this response frequency is only against the specific range/frequency from the other player".
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12-28-2019 , 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Giozinhzo123
Wouldnt it be possible to select the action of the OOP player ott and see how IP reacts. I.e. we select "OOP checks" and see how often IP bets/checks when. Or we select "OOP bets turn" and we can see how IP reacts (raise,fold,call). So only the action of IP vs a selected action of OOP is being displayed. Haha, sorry dont know if you get what i mean
Ok, we can consider adding it for later releases.

Last edited by scylla; 12-28-2019 at 02:48 AM.
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12-28-2019 , 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ballin4life
1) There are many situations where a player performs an action 99% or even 100% of the time but I still can't see the other player's response in the reports. For example this happens extremely often when you allow OOP to donk bet (perhaps on a few turns it will have some donk bets, but on every other turn it's 100% check and you still can't see the response).
2) As long as the user is aware that there is a more detailed interaction going on why not allow them to interpret this on their own? It could be useful for example to see something like "OOP bets 50% of the time, but IP only raises that bet 1% of the time" to know that you probably can't raise aggressively without weakening the rest of your strategy. As long as the two numbers are next to each other the user should be able to remember "hey this response frequency is only against the specific range/frequency from the other player".
Ok, I will see what I can do for future releases.
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12-28-2019 , 04:18 AM
Hi Scylla,thanks for your quick reply. If you in deed consider this. I would suggest to add reports for the frequncies of whole lines in database mode. I think many people would be very intersted to see check raising frequencies as well. For this you could select“OOP checks“,“IP bets“ and then look at the OOP frequencies after this action. Dont know if thisi is technically possible. Thanks for your awesome work,really appreciate the effort you put in.
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12-28-2019 , 08:47 AM
is it possible to choose in edit tree option to change only specific turn or river card? lets say if turn get paired i would like to use smaller sizing then when turn get blank

also when i change river tree it would be nice to not lose turn tree, lot of time o lock turn player range then i want change sizing on river and see what happens and it reset and recalculate turn as well then i have to copy and paste ranges and lock them again to get to river with ranges iam interested in
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12-28-2019 , 04:01 PM
Hi, thanks for the next update. However, after downloading, solver doesnt seem to be framed right. it now looks like this



how should I fix this?
thanks
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12-29-2019 , 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by magorko
is it possible to choose in edit tree option to change only specific turn or river card? lets say if turn get paired i would like to use smaller sizing then when turn get blank
No, editing a turn line will change this line for all turn cards.


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Originally Posted by magorko
also when i change river tree it would be nice to not lose turn tree, lot of time o lock turn player range then i want change sizing on river and see what happens and it reset and recalculate turn as well then i have to copy and paste ranges and lock them again to get to river with ranges iam interested in
Ok, we can consider it for later releases. There is a workaround for this though. For this, export the ranges with which the river is reached to FlopzillaPro. Then export them back to GTO+, start a new tree at the given river board and build whichever river tree you like with these new starting ranges.
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12-29-2019 , 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Krax
Hi, thanks for the next update. However, after downloading, solver doesnt seem to be framed right. it now looks like this



how should I fix this?
thanks
Can you try turning ON "Settings->Screen resolution can be below 1600x900"?
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12-29-2019 , 07:48 AM
Hi scylla,

I have one save file with a database with flop filters working fine, except for when I "Display results in graph". Then the flop filters don't show up. Do you know what the cause of this is?
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12-29-2019 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ToiletBowler
Hi scylla,

I have one save file with a database with flop filters working fine, except for when I "Display results in graph". Then the flop filters don't show up. Do you know what the cause of this is?
I can't seem to reproduce this.
Can you be more specific as to which "Display results in graph" option you're referring to?
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12-30-2019 , 07:42 AM
in this view (viewing on "run solver") I can see flop filters.



in this view (viewing through database), I cannot see flop filters.
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12-30-2019 , 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ToiletBowler
in this view (viewing on "run solver") I can see flop filters.



in this view (viewing through database), I cannot see flop filters.
Ah, I see what you mean now.
Apparently, if aggregate reports are not available, the filters are not displayed.
I will look into this for the next release.

Thank you for pointing this out.
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12-30-2019 , 08:42 AM
Hi, I own the GTO + and I am enjoying the program.
However, as we are required to assign a range to our opponent, I would like to know if the software can be useful against unknown opponents?
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12-30-2019 , 08:54 AM
Hey scylla,

What is the default dEV used for solving turn & rivers? And is there a possibility to change it?

I just ran a sim where after solving turn the solver used 2 sizings 10% of the time, but after resolving manually only 1 sizing was actually used 20% of the time (https://i.imgur.com/RD7aGDg.mp4). A 10% difference in overall betting frequency seems huge, so I'm wondering if the default dEV is low enough.

Given that turn & river solving is really fast, I'd love to be able to choose what I want as default dEV. Putting it at 0.01% seems worth the extra few seconds in my opinion.
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12-30-2019 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by rogorz
Hey scylla,

What is the default dEV used for solving turn & rivers? And is there a possibility to change it?

I just ran a sim where after solving turn the solver used 2 sizings 10% of the time, but after resolving manually only 1 sizing was actually used 20% of the time (https://i.imgur.com/RD7aGDg.mp4). A 10% difference in overall betting frequency seems huge, so I'm wondering if the default dEV is low enough.

Given that turn & river solving is really fast, I'd love to be able to choose what I want as default dEV. Putting it at 0.01% seems worth the extra few seconds in my opinion.
+1
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12-30-2019 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Gustavo179
Hi, I own the GTO + and I am enjoying the program.
However, as we are required to assign a range to our opponent, I would like to know if the software can be useful against unknown opponents?
For GTO it's really necessary to enter a range for the opponent.
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12-30-2019 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by rogorz
Hey scylla,
What is the default dEV used for solving turn & rivers? And is there a possibility to change it?
I believe it's 0.25%.
It can currently not be edited, but I can consider this for later releases.


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Originally Posted by rogorz
I just ran a sim where after solving turn the solver used 2 sizings 10% of the time, but after resolving manually only 1 sizing was actually used 20% of the time (https://i.imgur.com/RD7aGDg.mp4). A 10% difference in overall betting frequency seems huge, so I'm wondering if the default dEV is low enough.
The underlying reason for this is that all bet sizes perform nearly identically. So the solver is almost indifferent as to which size to choose; from a GTO perspective they're all basically the same. So although the relative division between the two bet sizes is different between the two solutions, the bet vs check ratio remains nearly the same. Within any given dEV though there's many different configurations for how the bet % is divided amongst the available bet sizes.
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12-30-2019 , 08:23 PM
Would you make the 'Data' window with launched cards/equity/action taken/etc be resizable? Im looking to use print screen and, for example, I can only fit ~36 of the turn cards in the 'Data' window without having to scroll down on turn reports.
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12-31-2019 , 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 1BigOT
Would you make the 'Data' window with launched cards/equity/action taken/etc be resizable? Im looking to use print screen and, for example, I can only fit ~36 of the turn cards in the 'Data' window without having to scroll down on turn reports.
Ok, I will see what I can do for later releases.
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01-04-2020 , 08:47 AM
Thinking of buying Gto+.
Why should I buy your software instead of the other solvers?
Can you give me some arguments.
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01-04-2020 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Tandberg321
Thinking of buying Gto+.
Why should I buy your software instead of the other solvers?
Can you give me some arguments.
Unfortunately I do not have enough time available to me to actively sell individual copies. What I can offer is a general description of the software, which can be found here: www.gtoplus.com. A trial can also be downloaded on the website. And a video on the latest release can be found here: https://youtu.be/YuRsCQajRBA.

Last edited by scylla; 01-04-2020 at 11:52 AM.
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