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09-13-2018 , 04:00 PM
Hi Everyone,

I seem to be a bit sick today, so please let me get back tomorrow for the posts that require a bit more attention.

Scylla

Last edited by scylla; 09-13-2018 at 04:17 PM.
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09-13-2018 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr.Cyprine
For those of you that would love to buy the software or have already bought it but don't know where to start, here is a GTO+ series on youtube that might help you.

https://youtu.be/9B7La1siW9s

https://youtu.be/8wTkDabOrts

https://youtu.be/co-v2PYu7rM

https://youtu.be/6GNjIHjyNaw

https://youtu.be/Kwkjds7t2W8
Thank you for your post.
I will just repost for the benefit of anyone who might appreciate having the links.

Last edited by scylla; 09-13-2018 at 04:21 PM.
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09-13-2018 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by mojo6911
Is there any way to make GTO+ accept ranges in PIO format with weights assigned?

Like this:

Code:
AA,KK,QQ,JJ:0.29,AK,AQs,AQo:0.3,AJs:0.03,A8s:0.17,A5s:0.34,A4s:0.02,KQs,KJs:0.63,KTs:0.22,K9s:0.01,K8s:0.01,K7s:0.01
There should be a minor update shortly, so I'll see if it's possible to squeeze in an auto-conversion method. Are the ranges always exactly like this? So a single line with no suit distinctions? Or are there exceptions?

Last edited by scylla; 09-13-2018 at 04:19 PM.
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09-13-2018 , 04:17 PM
Hey scylla, I have an idea for a feature. It would be cool if after having a database there could be an option to check correlations between several different frequencies such as: set percentage and check raise frequency or raw equity and check raise percentage ... This would be pretty cool and useful. Thanks
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09-13-2018 , 04:32 PM
Hey Scylla, I was wondering if there is a plan to integrate an aggregated report feature for various turn and river runouts?
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09-14-2018 , 12:05 AM
When I browse the tree, where do I see the potsize? Could I be shown somewhere at the top (and change on turn and river accordingly)?
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09-14-2018 , 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by shetu
Ok, take this range as example : All Broadways, All Pocket Pairs.

On a particular board with the range above, the solution could said that :
- the JdTd hand must be raised 31% of the time, called 54% and folded 15%.
- the JhTd hand must be raised 11% of the time, called 89% and folded 0%.
- The global EV of this flop node is 3.6 bb.

Is it possible to alter the algorithm to round up these numbers like below without sacrifice too much EV: (That solution will be the easiest to remember)
- the JdTd hand must be raised 100% of the time,
- the JdTd hand must be called 100% of the time,
- The global EV of this flop node is 3.2 bb.

As an option, I would like a hybrid solution where percentages are only 0%, 50% or 100%. (That solution will be the harder to remember, but less than the GTO+ solution)
- the JdTd hand must be raised 50% of the time, called 50% of the time,
- the JdTd hand must be called 100% of the time, folded 0%.
- The global EV of this flop node is 3.4 bb.
A problem here is that if, for example, a range has 500 combos, and you have 20 different trees, this would come down to having to memorize 500*20=10.000 combos. At the very least I personally would not be able to do this. Also, there's the challenge of figuring out how to adapt if the ranges are even slightly different, or if the board is a bit different. Even if simplifying to 0% or 100%, I still don't see how memorizing combos is an attainable goal. I am happy to offer rounding if our users really want it, but for the moment it's not there for this reason. The approach that we offer is to provide a breakdown according to stats, as well as many graphing features. The goal here is to try and find patterns in the data that occur generally across different boards or ranges. Such patterns, like for example that OOP should always bet with a polarized range on the river (only bet the strongest and weakest hands) are far easier to remember and apply in practical play.

Last edited by scylla; 09-14-2018 at 04:27 AM.
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09-14-2018 , 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Gcm1998
Hey scylla, I have an idea for a feature. It would be cool if after having a database there could be an option to check correlations between several different frequencies such as: set percentage and check raise frequency or raw equity and check raise percentage ... This would be pretty cool and useful. Thanks
Ok, I will keep it in mind for future releases.
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09-14-2018 , 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by realtimer
Hey Scylla, I was wondering if there is a plan to integrate an aggregated report feature for various turn and river runouts?
Ok, I'll see what I can do here.

Last edited by scylla; 09-14-2018 at 04:32 AM.
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09-14-2018 , 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by realtimer
When I browse the tree, where do I see the potsize? Could I be shown somewhere at the top (and change on turn and river accordingly)?
This is displayed below the table in the single line navigator:



And below the stats in the 2D navigator:

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09-14-2018 , 06:10 AM
Ah, sorry, hadn’t seen that. Thanks.
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09-14-2018 , 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by mojo6911
Is there any way to make GTO+ accept ranges in PIO format with weights assigned?

Like this:

Code:
AA,KK,QQ,JJ:0.29,AK,AQs,AQo:0.3,AJs:0.03,A8s:0.17,A5s:0.34,A4s:0.02,KQs,KJs:0.63,KTs:0.22,K9s:0.01,K8s:0.01,K7s:0.01
Hi Scylla

Is there also a way to assign weights to flops like PIO can?
We can randomise of course but I would rather use flop abstractions that only contain 200ish flops rather than 200 random flops that won’t be as accurate.
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09-14-2018 , 12:03 PM
I live in a third world country and even what you might consider a low end PC hardware it's expensive as **** here, and I don't want to spend more than necessary, I am about to buy a new PC the main reason I buying is not poker but I would like to use gto+ on it and I thinking If a ryzen 5 2400g is enough to run some simulations on it, someone here who have a ryzen 5 2400g (who is the processor I'm most interested at the moment for the cost benefit) how much time do you take to solve btn vs blinds single raised pots 100bbs deep without donkbets, using 1 flop size for both players and 3 sizes on turn and river for villain and 2 sizes on turn and river for hero?

Enviado de meu XT1033 usando o Tapatalk
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09-14-2018 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
There should be a minor update shortly, so I'll see if it's possible to squeeze in an auto-conversion method. Are the ranges always exactly like this? So a single line with no suit distinctions? Or are there exceptions?

Thanks. AFAIK, it is always like this.
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09-14-2018 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ToiletBowler
Hi Scylla

Is there also a way to assign weights to flops like PIO can?
We can randomise of course but I would rather use flop abstractions that only contain 200ish flops rather than 200 random flops that won’t be as accurate.
Not at the moment, but I think that I can add this for the next release.
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09-14-2018 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by mojo6911
Is there any way to make GTO+ accept ranges in PIO format with weights assigned?

Like this:

Code:
AA,KK,QQ,JJ:0.29,AK,AQs,AQo:0.3,AJs:0.03,A8s:0.17,A5s:0.34,A4s:0.02,KQs,KJs:0.63,KTs:0.22,K9s:0.01,K8s:0.01,K7s:0.01
A small update is now available on the website that will auto-convert this type of input:
http://www.gtoplus.com/download/

Last edited by scylla; 09-14-2018 at 04:35 PM.
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09-14-2018 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by realtimer
Ah yes, I overlooked that. I think slight graying would work well.
Ok, a beta is now available that draws an indicator line below the active range:



www.gtoplus.com/download/
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09-14-2018 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by getmeoffcompletely
On the left where you have the little range windows, instead of it saying "Range 1" and "Range 2" have it say OOP and IP. I lost count of the times I messed up the solve because I mixed the ranges up.
For those who prefer the terms IP and OOP, or possibly something different:
1) Update to v114 (www.gtoplus.com/download)
2) Edit the file /config/languages/english.txt
3) Go to the section [MAIN INTERFACE]
4) Edit items 37 and 38
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09-14-2018 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Pedro Henrique
I live in a third world country and even what you might consider a low end PC hardware it's expensive as **** here, and I don't want to spend more than necessary, I am about to buy a new PC the main reason I buying is not poker but I would like to use gto+ on it and I thinking If a ryzen 5 2400g is enough to run some simulations on it, someone here who have a ryzen 5 2400g (who is the processor I'm most interested at the moment for the cost benefit) how much time do you take to solve btn vs blinds single raised pots 100bbs deep without donkbets, using 1 flop size for both players and 3 sizes on turn and river for villain and 2 sizes on turn and river for hero?

Enviado de meu XT1033 usando o Tapatalk
I will just repost in case anyone has any experience with this processor.
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09-15-2018 , 03:33 PM
Sorry if asked before or explained in the video tuts, but I'm running a spot in database mode and it's taking a long time. Can I save it before finishing like I can save a single tree and continue running it at a later point? Or is this done in another way?
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09-15-2018 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SoyLate
Sorry if asked before or explained in the video tuts, but I'm running a spot in database mode and it's taking a long time. Can I save it before finishing like I can save a single tree and continue running it at a later point? Or is this done in another way?
Yes, if you stop the solver and save it'll save all the currently solved trees in the db. You can start processing again next time from where you left off.
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09-15-2018 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by The Imp
Yes, if you stop the solver and save it'll save all the currently solved trees in the db. You can start processing again next time from where you left off.
Cheers mate
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09-16-2018 , 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
A small update is now available on the website that will auto-convert this type of input:
http://www.gtoplus.com/download/
Thanks. You have always been very responsive to this sort of thing. Excellent product.
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09-16-2018 , 01:24 AM
Hey Scylla,

I got a weird bug here and i'm wondering if it is caused by different windows version.

I solved a database file which i uploaded into a google drive, then 2 of my friends loaded up the file and when we look at the data i got slight differences in the frequency % of bets and checks.

The Equity and EV are exactly the same but not the frequencies of actions.

They both have the same results though, and they run the same windows version which is 10. I run windows 7.

Could it be the reason why?
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09-16-2018 , 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr.Cyprine
Hey Scylla,

I got a weird bug here and i'm wondering if it is caused by different windows version.

I solved a database file which i uploaded into a google drive, then 2 of my friends loaded up the file and when we look at the data i got slight differences in the frequency % of bets and checks.

The Equity and EV are exactly the same but not the frequencies of actions.

They both have the same results though, and they run the same windows version which is 10. I run windows 7.

Could it be the reason why?
Is it possible that one of you has "Card removal" ON, while the other has it OFF?

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