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04-03-2018 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by kyang314
just to confirm... this product works fully in offline mode right? I'm going to be on a long plane flight and would like to put in some work.
The software does need to check its license every once in a while, however, a plane flight should not be problem.
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04-03-2018 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Katon Bond
Hi Scylla, is it possible to add a betsize OTT or OTR without having to resolve the flop on GTO+?
The intent was to maintain the flop solution during edits, but for some reason the flop solution is indeed reset when editing a tree. I'll need to check to see if there is a reason for this, but if not, then I'll see what I can do to alter this for later releases.

Last edited by scylla; 04-03-2018 at 05:04 PM.
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04-03-2018 , 06:34 PM
thanks!
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04-04-2018 , 10:08 AM
Hi Scylla,

I think a nice feature to add to GTO+ would be Import Hand History. This could work similarly to how it does in CREV except any lines unaccounted for by the hand history would be automatically filled in by the tree builder using Basic Play. Thoughts?

Siesta
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04-05-2018 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Siesta
Hi Scylla,

I think a nice feature to add to GTO+ would be Import Hand History. This could work similarly to how it does in CREV except any lines unaccounted for by the hand history would be automatically filled in by the tree builder using Basic Play. Thoughts?

Siesta
Ok, I'll take this into consideration.

Thank you for the feedback,

Scylla

Last edited by scylla; 04-05-2018 at 02:23 PM.
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04-06-2018 , 08:50 PM
Hi Scylla, what are some upcoming updates to the software and is there a timetable?

Thanks
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04-07-2018 , 08:54 AM
Hello, I have installed the version v1.1.1 64bit today.
But after the installation the software says that I have only the trail version.
So I went to this link ( http://www.gtoplus.com/purchase/ ) to request a new key.
Now I have got this email:

Dear client,

Your request for a GTO+ key has been received.

However, currently your account does not yet have a GTO+ expansion.
GTO+ licenses are only included for users who purchased CREV after 1/1/2015.

Upgrade to GTO+
To upgrade your account to include GTO+, please go here:
www.gtoplus.com/upgrade-from-crev

Upgrades are life-time and apply to all licenses
A GTO+ expansion is life-time.
Should you own multiple licenses, then all licenses in your account will be upgraded.

Please let us know if you require support,

Scylla



Why is my license not working anymore ? :-(
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04-07-2018 , 10:13 AM
Thank you, great app.
Can you add option for shutdown pc + auto save after database solved ?
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04-07-2018 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by x64asm
Hello, I have installed the version v1.1.1 64bit today.
But after the installation the software says that I have only the trail version.
So I went to this link ( http://www.gtoplus.com/purchase/ ) to request a new key.
Now I have got this email:

Dear client,

Your request for a GTO+ key has been received.

However, currently your account does not yet have a GTO+ expansion.
GTO+ licenses are only included for users who purchased CREV after 1/1/2015.

Upgrade to GTO+
To upgrade your account to include GTO+, please go here:
www.gtoplus.com/upgrade-from-crev

Upgrades are life-time and apply to all licenses
A GTO+ expansion is life-time.
Should you own multiple licenses, then all licenses in your account will be upgraded.

Please let us know if you require support,

Scylla



Why is my license not working anymore ? :-(
For the duration of the beta GTO+ has been provided for free for all CREV users. With the release of the website, and the release of the alpha, the beta period has now ended. Users who purchased CREV after 1/1/2015 get GTO+ for free, given that there is an overlap between the two programs after that date. Prior to the CREV of 1/1/2015, almost not a single line of code between the two programs matches, and GTO+ is essentially an entirely new product. You can however upgrade your license to include GTO+ for a reduced fee. For more details go here: http://www.gtoplus.com/upgrade-from-crev/. The upgrade will include all your licenses and is life-time.

Last edited by scylla; 04-07-2018 at 02:59 PM.
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04-07-2018 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by r2t2k2
Thank you, great app.
Can you add option for shutdown pc + auto save after database solved ?
If you want to auto-save after every solved tree, then you can use the "process folder" feature (see screenshot below).
As for shutting down a PC, I'm not sure if this is technically possible.


Last edited by scylla; 04-07-2018 at 03:05 PM.
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04-07-2018 , 03:12 PM
Is this a way to calculate the EV of different bet sizing on the flop?
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04-07-2018 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
For the duration of the beta GTO+ has been provided for free for all CREV users. With the release of the website, and the release of the alpha, the beta period has now ended. Users who purchased CREV after 1/1/2015 get GTO+ for free, given that there is an overlap between the two programs after that date. Prior to the CREV of 1/1/2015, almost not a single line of code between the two programs matches, and GTO+ is essentially an entirely new product. You can however upgrade your license to include GTO+ for a reduced fee. For more details go here: http://www.gtoplus.com/upgrade-from-crev/. The upgrade will include all your licenses and is life-time.

How does this work?
After I have sent the $50 will I get a new license key? And do I have to change something in CREV?
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04-07-2018 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by JefPat
Is this a way to calculate the EV of different bet sizing on the flop?
You can indeed use GTO+ to create a tree with multiple bet sizes for a certain decision, run the solver and then compare the EVs for the different sizes. For more information on how to build trees with multiple bet sizes in GTO+, watch the third video here: http://www.gtoplus.com/videos/. For more information on GTO+ in general please go here: http://www.gtoplus.com/

Last edited by scylla; 04-07-2018 at 08:33 PM.
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04-07-2018 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by x64asm
How does this work?
After I have sent the $50 will I get a new license key?
And do I have to change something in CREV?
After purchasing the upgrade the GTO+ extension will be automatically added to your account.
You can then request your key for GTO+ here: http://www.gtoplus.com/request-a-key/
Your key will be sent to you within a few minutes of your request.
As for CREV, there's no need to make any changes.

Last edited by scylla; 04-07-2018 at 08:24 PM.
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04-07-2018 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
After purchasing the upgrade the GTO+ extension will be automatically added to your account.
You can then request your key for GTO+ here: http://www.gtoplus.com/request-a-key/
Your key will be sent to you within a few minutes of your request.
As for CREV, there's no need to make any changes.
I can see that my Neteller account is not running on the same email address like my CREV account. :-/
Is that a problem when I want to upgrade from CREV to GTO+?
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04-08-2018 , 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by x64asm
I can see that my Neteller account is not running on the same email address like my CREV account. :-/
Is that a problem when I want to upgrade from CREV to GTO+?
No, that's not a problem.
Just send a mail to support and we'll take care of it manually.

Last edited by scylla; 04-08-2018 at 05:56 AM.
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04-08-2018 , 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
No, that's not a problem.
Just send a mail to support and we'll take care of it manually.
Ok, I have sent you the money. :-)
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04-08-2018 , 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by x64asm
Ok, I have sent you the money. :-)
Ok, I have taken care of this.
You can now request your key on the website: http://www.gtoplus.com/request-a-key/
The key will be sent within a few minutes of the request.
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04-09-2018 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
If you want to auto-save after every solved tree, then you can use the "process folder" feature (see screenshot below).
As for shutting down a PC, I'm not sure if this is technically possible.

Having some trouble using the process folder feature.
Now whenever I try to process files in a folder I get this:

https://imgur.com/kza273U

It tries solve a database that I already erased before.
How can I stop this?
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04-09-2018 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Hellmuth#1
Having some trouble using the process folder feature.
Now whenever I try to process files in a folder I get this:

https://imgur.com/kza273U

It tries solve a database that I already erased before.
How can I stop this?
I notice that in your screenshot you have set the option "Give up after X minutes: 5".



This is most likely because you have this option checked for the "process folder" feature:



Turning it either OFF, or setting a higher number of minutes should fix the issue.

Should you already have this option unchecked for the "process folder" feature, then it will have been set in the files themselves.
Again, to fix this just uncheck it in the files or set a higher number of minutes.
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04-09-2018 , 07:13 PM
Thanks,it's gone.
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04-12-2018 , 12:01 PM
Hi scylla,

Would adding dead cards be possible in the upcoming updates in both CREV and GTO+?

Thanks
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04-13-2018 , 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerboy1606
Hi scylla,

Would adding dead cards be possible in the upcoming updates in both CREV and GTO+?

Thanks
Ok, we can take it into consideration.
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04-13-2018 , 11:11 AM
hey Scylla:
I simulate a 0-1 game, both of range:KQo-K4o,QJo-Q4o,JTo-J4o,T9o-T4o,98o-94o,87o-84o,76o-74o,65o-64o,54o
borad: AAAA
pot:10 stack:5
like pic



I find that OOP’s first action:KQ's EV and EQ are different with KJ and KT, dont know why? on this board, They don't all equal K high?

and KQ use a mix strategy but KJ 100% check then K9 mix strategy again?

the file on Droplr:https://d.pr/3vrJW1

Last edited by jasonhau; 04-13-2018 at 11:24 AM.
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04-13-2018 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by jasonhau
hey Scylla:
I simulate a 0-1 game, both of range:KQo-K4o,QJo-Q4o,JTo-J4o,T9o-T4o,98o-94o,87o-84o,76o-74o,65o-64o,54o
borad: AAAA
pot:10 stack:5
like pic



I find that OOP’s first action:KQ's EV and EQ are different with KJ and KT, dont know why? on this board, They don't all equal K high?

and KQ use a mix strategy but KJ 100% check then K9 mix strategy again?

the file on Droplr:https://d.pr/3vrJW1
The difference between the different K hands is pretty subtle; I had to do some tests in CREV to figure out why K4 is different from KJ. Given that the board is AAAA, all that matters is the highest card in your hand. On this AAAA board, all Kx hands have the exact same equity, and with any Kx hand for hero, villain is equally likely to hold a K himself. Also the chance of villain holding a Q,J,T,etc is not affected by hero's Kx hand.

The difference appears to be that if hero holds Kx, then villain will be slightly more likely for both his cards to be equal or below x. So when holding K9o villain is a bit more likely to hold 9 high or worse. Given the fact that 9 high has very little showdown value, it makes sense to check the KT hands, in order to give villain a chance to bluff his non-showdown hand.

Checking K5o for example would make less sense, since in this case villain would only have an increased chance of 54o. So checking the K hands with the highest kicker maximizes the chance of villain bluffing with a hand that you beat.

That only leaves the question of why you would actually bet KQo more, whereas you would expect KTo to be a more logical choice. The thing here is that a Q has showdown value, so this is not a hand that your are likely to elicit a bluf from. It makes more sense to bet KQo in order to induce a call.




The CREV file
See below for the spot in CREV where you get to see the card removal effect for KX on villain's range. OOP's range has been set as K9o, with OOP betting the turn, and villain calling 9 high or worse and folding everything else. Villain's chance of holding 9 high or worse is apparently 33.9%. This frequency will be 33.9% for any hand for OOP ranging from K4 through K9. If OOP's range is changed to KTo or higher, then the frequency switches to 37%.

If you change villain's calling range to, for example, 7 high, then the exact same switch will occur at OOP holding K7.
So whenever villain's calling range is X high, the switch will occur at KX.

Savefile: http://www.crevfiles.com/crev/savefiles/K9file.zip


Last edited by scylla; 04-13-2018 at 05:42 PM.
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