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Originally Posted by Castlekingside
Hey Cylla,
First of all, I really enjoy your SWs and I am having a lot of fun with GTO+ Thanks.
I have one question and forgive me if you already answered it. Will be possible in the final version of GTO+ to simultaneously analyze multiple bet sizing? For exemple running a sim with both 1/2 and 2/3 pot cbets.
Once again thank you for the awesome tools you developed.
We are currently focused on development as listed on the website and no decisions have been made yet as to the exact functionality of the tree builder; this will be done at a later point. One slight reservation that I have here is that I wonder is people actually realize how big trees with multiple bet sizes are.
Trees that have two bet sizes already require 5 to 10GB of memory and trees with 3 bet sizes throughout the flop+turn+river probably require something along the lines of 50GB (admittedly though I haven't checked this particular case). This is not a limitation on our end, it's just the size that is required to store those trees in any software. Solving times will most likely be of a similar magnitude.
If you look at it from a different perspective, if player 1 has two bet sizes, then, in the first decision the tree will split in 3 scenarios. If after that player 2 has two bet sizes as well, the tree will split into 9 different scenarios. And 27 after that. And any point where a new turn rolls off the tree splits into 49 different scenarios again. And for every river there’s 2352 runouts of the board. You will very quickly get to a spot where I don't think there's much point to performing any level of analysis anymore. You will never even look at more than 0.0001% of these scenarios anyhow.
Our solver is capable of handling multiple bet sizes, and so is our new interface, however, I really have some reservations here. The human brain does not work like a computer and requires data to be organized and simplified. At the very least, speaking for myself, that's how it works for me.
To me it seems a lot more productive to focus on single decisions and, for example, give those 5 different bet sizes to see what the approximate ideal bet size is in a certain spot. There’s probably a lot to be learned as to the ideal bet size on certain boards, or the development of the ideal bet size throughout the flop, turn and river. More importantly, such information would be relatively easy to remember and be applied in real-life situations.
So, to summarize, we haven’t made any decisions here yet, although we likely will offer this, simply because apparently some people really want this, but, if only speaking for myself, I think that I would personally learn much more from focussed research (see the above paragraph from an example).
Last edited by scylla; 08-06-2017 at 06:43 AM.