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11-10-2016 , 06:35 AM
Hi, Scylla!

I have bought CREV yesterday. Works smoove, awesome experience so far.

Also big thanks for the youtube channel, videos do help a lot.

But my laptop is a bit outdated.

I have 4GB of memory and Core i5 2.67GHz, but when I try to compute the most demanding equilibrium with 4 flop bets it says "Not enough memory". How much memory do I need to proceed with this type of calculations?

Also in the 4bets flop sample file it says "2 GB required" in the description. Does it mean that I need videocard with 2GB of memory? (I have Radeon HD 6470 1GB).


UPD. Ok, I got it. I need 64 bit system

Last edited by Gutshot Master; 11-10-2016 at 06:57 AM.
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11-10-2016 , 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Zobags
Thanks for looking at it. Am I correct in assuming that, once we round the percentages for flop ranges, we can lock them in and then run the solver again on certain turn cards?
Sure, however, please observe that if you have found a solution for a flop hand, all subsequent play on turns and rivers will already be in an equilibrium. There's no need to re-run the solver. You can just select the turn/river and press F7 to recompute the EVs.

Cheers,

Scylla
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11-10-2016 , 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Gutshot Master
Hi, Scylla!

I have bought CREV yesterday. Works smoove, awesome experience so far.

Also big thanks for the youtube channel, videos do help a lot.

But my laptop is a bit outdated.

I have 4GB of memory and Core i5 2.67GHz, but when I try to compute the most demanding equilibrium with 4 flop bets it says "Not enough memory". How much memory do I need to proceed with this type of calculations?

Also in the 4bets flop sample file it says "2 GB required" in the description. Does it mean that I need videocard with 2GB of memory? (I have Radeon HD 6470 1GB).
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Originally Posted by Gutshot Master
UPD. Ok, I got it. I need 64 bit system
Yes, that is correct.
This is unfortunately beyond my control.
Programs that are 32bit can use roughly 1.5GB in memory at the most.
This applies to any 32bit program, not just CardRunnersEV.

The 32bit version is provided as a courtesy to users who use Windows 7 32bit so that they at least have some access to the software. However, if possible I would recommend upgrading to a 64bit system so that this memory restriction no longer applies.
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11-10-2016 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
However, if possible I would recommend upgrading to a 64bit system so that this memory restriction no longer applies.
Exactly what I'm doing right now.

Flop 4 bet is crucial to be able to create realistic comprehensive scenarios imho.

Thanks for the answer
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11-11-2016 , 12:34 PM
Not sure about this, but can it currently do preflop? I.e. we set preflop ranges and action after the flop and it runs a ton of flops turns and rivers and gets the equilibrium via thta?
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11-12-2016 , 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Zenkei2007
Not sure about this, but can it currently do preflop? I.e. we set preflop ranges and action after the flop and it runs a ton of flops turns and rivers and gets the equilibrium via thta?
No, at the moment preflop is not available in this particular form.
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11-12-2016 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
No, at the moment preflop is not available in this particular form.
Is this due to tree size limitations?
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11-14-2016 , 07:15 PM
hey, i'm figuring out whats the best program for gto solving. whats the main differences between crev, piosolver and simple postflop?
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11-15-2016 , 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Kenji
hey, i'm figuring out whats the best program for gto solving. whats the main differences between crev, piosolver and simple postflop?
CardRunnersEV is very comparable in speed as pio (often a bit faster, sometimes a bit slower; we're talking differences of about 30% in calc times here, so nothing too relevant), with the main difference between the two programs being in the interface. As for the solutions given by both solvers, they are exactly the same. As for the interface, given that interfaces are subjective, it's probably best if you compare for yourself and see which you prefer. For videos on the CardRunnersEV interface and analysis tools go here: http://www.cardrunnersev.com/download.html. And of course you can go to the same page to download the software to see it in action. You'll find example files in the directory /equilibrium_sample_files.

Cheers,

Scylla

Last edited by scylla; 11-15-2016 at 07:04 AM.
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11-15-2016 , 07:03 AM
Hello,

I guess the reason for this is technical but how come there are many situations when I ask for a max exploit line and the result I get is minus ev?

For example I set the BB strategy in the image below and then requested a max exploit line for the SB, the result I got was negative.

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11-15-2016 , 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by sheeprustler
Hello,

I guess the reason for this is technical but how come there are many situations when I ask for a max exploit line and the result I get is minus ev?

For example I set the BB strategy in the image below and then requested a max exploit line for the SB, the result I got was negative.

I don't really see any problem here. SB exploits BB's strategy as much as he can and as a result, some of BB's EVs become negative. It's pretty much what I'd expect here. Or are you possible referring to something else?
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11-15-2016 , 12:50 PM
Just bought CREV looking forward to using it
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11-15-2016 , 02:02 PM
Hi! i see a few tutorial of your program today and i have a question:

I want to analize 40bb preflop spot for cashgames. But i think that the solution won´t be too accurated because when we see the flop the action is checkdown so is not representative (not like PIO who analizes a lot of boards to have very accourance results).

I see on your tutorials that you have an option to put %weight of equity realization on diferents hands. The question is:

¿Is there any way to have any PIOreport that show you the %realization for all the hands on diferent spots and copy paste it to this option so the result will be too much more accourated?

thanks!
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11-15-2016 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
I don't really see any problem here. SB exploits BB's strategy as much as he can and as a result, some of BB's EVs become negative. It's pretty much what I'd expect here. Or are you possible referring to something else?
I made BB's strat exploitable here, I thought when I set the max exploit request for the sb that it would be at least breakeven? - It says in the top left that is minus ev.
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11-15-2016 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by sanjusto77
Hi! i see a few tutorial of your program today and i have a question:

I want to analize 40bb preflop spot for cashgames. But i think that the solution won´t be too accurated because when we see the flop the action is checkdown so is not representative (not like PIO who analizes a lot of boards to have very accourance results).

I see on your tutorials that you have an option to put %weight of equity realization on diferents hands. The question is:

¿Is there any way to have any PIOreport that show you the %realization for all the hands on diferent spots and copy paste it to this option so the result will be too much more accourated?

thanks!
I did something like this. I solved a 25 flop subset in pio and used the overall equity realization in crev (checkdown) and everything matched up. I was then able to use crev to further analyze a spot. You can use the overall equity realization you do not need to put it in for every hand. Just use the average.
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11-15-2016 , 04:28 PM
So, this has a GTO solver now for both pre and postflop? And I would just pay the $75 license to get this functionality?

That is soo much cheaper than other solvers?? I guess that whats is making me wonder if im missing something and the products are more different than they appear
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11-15-2016 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by piepounder
So, this has a GTO solver now for both pre and postflop? And I would just pay the $75 license to get this functionality?

That is soo much cheaper than other solvers?? I guess that whats is making me wonder if im missing something and the products are more different than they appear
The preflop solver is a basic one using checkdown. This is similar to piosolver basic or pro. Yes crev is a really good deal. Advanced preflop solving is not the most practical thing for the average home computer.

Last edited by outfit; 11-15-2016 at 05:32 PM.
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11-15-2016 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by outfit
I did something like this. I solved a 25 flop subset in pio and used the overall equity realization in crev (checkdown) and everything matched up. I was then able to use crev to further analyze a spot. You can use the overall equity realization you do not need to put it in for every hand. Just use the average.
Thanks for the answer. One question...if i use the overall equity realization the crev solver don´t have tendence to use hands that have less equity realization from the overall? i mean it takes in consideration the position and the ranges but not the individual hands.Your results with 25 flops look similar than when you use CREV to solve the same spot?

Thanks again
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11-15-2016 , 07:05 PM
I manually put in the ranges and calculated ev I did not solve. The ev I got was the same as the ev from the pio report. I guess i just wanted to get a better understanding of what equity realization meant. I sent you a PM.
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11-15-2016 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Evoxgsr96
Just bought CREV looking forward to using it
Just a few questions about CREV (that may sound really stupid/basic)

-So this is basically a hand vs. range software that just calc's the highest EV line for you on every street?
-This does multi-street ev calcs OTT and OTR?

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-In the software how do i split my ranges for a given strategy i want, i can't figure out how to edit x% of hands to check and all it says above is "check all hands" and i don't want that.
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11-16-2016 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by sheeprustler
I made BB's strat exploitable here, I thought when I set the max exploit request for the sb that it would be at least breakeven? - It says in the top left that is minus ev.
That is the EV as measured prior to posting the small blind. Apparently, even if SB plays optimally, he will not be able to recuperate his blind versus BB in this spot.
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11-16-2016 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Evoxgsr96
Just a few questions about CREV (that may sound really stupid/basic)

-So this is basically a hand vs. range software that just calc's the highest EV line for you on every street?
No, it's range versus range.
It even contains a very fast equilibrium solver for postflop play.

It's probably best if you watch the demonstration videos on the solver and the analysis tools to get a better idea of what it possible with the software. Go here for the videos: http://www.cardrunnersev.com/download.html

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Originally Posted by Evoxgsr96
-This does multi-street ev calcs OTT and OTR?
Yes, it does.
The solver can handle play on unknown turns+rivers.
So it will figure out near-optimal play on all possible street runouts.

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Originally Posted by Evoxgsr96
-In the software how do i split my ranges for a given strategy i want, i can't figure out how to edit x% of hands to check and all it says above is "check all hands" and i don't want that.
There's two ways of doing this, namely with the analysis tool (see above for video link) and with the postflop editor. For demonstration videos on the postflop editor, please watch the videos on this subject under "Help->Video manual" under "The basics".

Last edited by scylla; 11-16-2016 at 03:45 PM.
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11-17-2016 , 12:01 PM
Can scripts be used to calculate GTO for multiple scenarios. ie run 20 different flops overnight and save them for later viewing?
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11-17-2016 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by piepounder
Can scripts be used to calculate GTO for multiple scenarios. ie run 20 different flops overnight and save them for later viewing?
Not at the moment, no, but I'll look into it for future versions.

Cheers,

Scylla
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11-17-2016 , 03:08 PM
I've started to get the hang of the software in the last few days and I must say it's outstanding. Keep up the good work
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