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03-06-2013 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 3eBjUnKiE
How would I go about solving this scenario?

Game is hu on the river. The board is KQJT3 on the river with a pot of 2. BB bet 1. BB range betting consists of 16.67% Ax, 16.67% 9x, and the rest is bluffs say 66.67% with 82. I want to know the ev of calling with 95.
I suppose this would work:
www.cardrunnersev.com/savefiles/KQJT3.stx

Although there's numerous ways of accomplishing the same thing.
Right now I've set it up so that there's 9 combos of A2o, 9 combos of 98o and 36 combos of bluffs.
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03-06-2013 , 07:23 PM
Hey,
It would be nice to tune
Top% Action script option to be able to do very same like


I lack ability to filter out ALL Equities higher than X (for example show equities just 30%+).

Thnx.
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03-06-2013 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Ninja666
Hey,
It would be nice to tune
Top% Action script option to be able to do very same like


I lack ability to filter out ALL Equities higher than X (for example show equities just 30%+).

Thnx.
Yes, I actually intended to do that with the TopX% command, but for some reason I seem to have completely overlooked the "At least equity/ev" and "at most equity/ev" options. I will indeed be adding those in the future.

Last edited by scylla; 03-06-2013 at 08:16 PM.
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03-06-2013 , 09:21 PM
I cant seem to explain this so ill just give the scenario. SB raises with a fixed range and reraises all in with a frequency of "variable 1". So SB can now call or fold with his entire range. Can I make a graph that has the ev of both of these possible lines SB can take (raise/fold and raise/call) as the output and BB 3bet frequency as the input? Thanks and sorry for asking so many questions!
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03-07-2013 , 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 3eBjUnKiE
I cant seem to explain this so ill just give the scenario. SB raises with a fixed range and reraises all in with a frequency of "variable 1". So SB can now call or fold with his entire range. Can I make a graph that has the ev of both of these possible lines SB can take (raise/fold and raise/call) as the output and BB 3bet frequency as the input? Thanks and sorry for asking so many questions!
Well, no, since these are two separate trees.
If you want to compare them, then just run them separately and store the result in Excel.
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03-07-2013 , 05:18 PM
Is it possible to copy a part of tree?
I've a tree for flop and some turns, and I want to copy the turn part of the tree to different turns so that I dont have to start from scratch there.
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03-07-2013 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by LorenzoVMatterhorn
Is it possible to copy a part of tree?
I've a tree for flop and some turns, and I want to copy the turn part of the tree to different turns so that I dont have to start from scratch there.
You can copy paste a tree+subtree with Ctrl+Alt+C and Ctrl+Alt+V.
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03-07-2013 , 06:34 PM
thx for quick response.
I now managed to copy 1 action (still not sure how to select a whole subtree), but everytime I try to paste a whole subtree (when I somehow have managed to select it) the software crashes, a few times it appeared to have pasted something but the layout was ****ed, lines of the trees not connected like this:
and crashed a few seconds later as soon as I clicked on something

Any idea what I might be doing wrong?
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03-07-2013 , 08:57 PM
Hi there scylla... I think somehow the autoupdate feature of my registered copy of CREV is disabled.

How can I go about updating the software w/o having to reregister it altogether?

Thanks
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03-08-2013 , 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by LorenzoVMatterhorn
thx for quick response.
I now managed to copy 1 action (still not sure how to select a whole subtree), but everytime I try to paste a whole subtree (when I somehow have managed to select it) the software crashes, a few times it appeared to have pasted something but the layout was ****ed, lines of the trees not connected like this:
and crashed a few seconds later as soon as I clicked on something

Any idea what I might be doing wrong?
Well, you can't just copy from any location to any other location.
If the new location doesn't fit, the whole tree will get screwed up.

I added the ability to copy whole subtrees at the request of users, however, it's almost impossible to apply safety checks to see if a subtree even fits in the intended location. For that reason, I've left that up to the responsibility of the user.

You really need to check if the entire exact subtree makes sense in that location. Is it even possible to bet/check/whatever in the same manner as in the location you're copying from?
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03-08-2013 , 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Signif, I
Hi there scylla... I think somehow the autoupdate feature of my registered copy of CREV is disabled.

How can I go about updating the software w/o having to reregister it altogether?

Thanks
Just go here to download the software. That should be enough to update you to the most recent version.
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03-08-2013 , 10:44 AM
When using a variable for a range, does range which is being varied follow the rank ranking hierarchy I chose in the hole card range window?
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03-08-2013 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 3eBjUnKiE
When using a variable for a range, does range which is being varied follow the rank ranking hierarchy I chose in the hole card range window?
Yes, it does.
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03-08-2013 , 08:16 PM
Hey, one request if possible: to add script excel output for the ev's.

I cant seem to be able to remove the tournament mode info planche thingy. It says Settings-tournament info to hide this menu but theres no such button under settings.
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03-08-2013 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Well, you can't just copy from any location to any other location.
If the new location doesn't fit, the whole tree will get screwed up.

I added the ability to copy whole subtrees at the request of users, however, it's almost impossible to apply safety checks to see if a subtree even fits in the intended location. For that reason, I've left that up to the responsibility of the user.

You really need to check if the entire exact subtree makes sense in that location. Is it even possible to bet/check/whatever in the same manner as in the location you're copying from?
The subtree should make perfect sense in that location since it's the same location, only on a different turn. But if its not possible its not that big of a deal, just would have saved some time.


More importantly I'm struggling with this problem:

6m table, BTN open, SB 3bet, BTN calls

SB cbets flop, BTN raises with some stuff like sets, nfds, tptk and air:



After manual optimalization (manually optimalizing BTN strategy and using Max Exploit for SB strategy) it turns out optimal frequencies for sets and nfds are either 0% or 100% in my model

Now I wanna use a script to determine optimal frequencies for tptk and air, whos optimal frequencies are apparently somewhere in between.

But how do I do that?

In the videos you were using SetAllHands command in that preflop example, but that isnt really viable here I. (I think)

I tried this:



I would weigth (1) and (2) 100% and then run this script, but it doesnt work because variables are apparently also stored in the tree with the store tree command.

I kinda had to use store tree and load tree combo because I dont know another way to reset to 100% in (1) and (2)

Not restoring weights isnt really an option because then instead of EVs for (60, 80) (60, 85) (65, 80) (65, 85) pairs I get them for (60, 80) (36, 68) etc ... I will get the EV for top 80% of top 85% and top 60% of top 60% ...


How would you solve this? Or is solving problems like this not possible with CREV? (yet?)


fwiw I like your software a LOT, since I bought it I played more CREV than actual poker
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03-09-2013 , 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Makemegood
Hey, one request if possible: to add script excel output for the ev's.
Not sure what you mean here.

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Originally Posted by Makemegood
I cant seem to be able to remove the tournament mode info planche thingy. It says Settings-tournament info to hide this menu but theres no such button under settings.
I've removed the ability to remove it since that window is pretty crucial.
Tournament mode can be a bit tricky (you need to know what to edit and where) and that window gives a pretty decent summary.

However, you are indeed correct that that line should no longer be there. I'll remove that in the next update.
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03-09-2013 , 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by LorenzoVMatterhorn
The subtree should make perfect sense in that location since it's the same location, only on a different turn. But if its not possible its not that big of a deal, just would have saved some time.


More importantly I'm struggling with this problem:

6m table, BTN open, SB 3bet, BTN calls

SB cbets flop, BTN raises with some stuff like sets, nfds, tptk and air:



After manual optimalization (manually optimalizing BTN strategy and using Max Exploit for SB strategy) it turns out optimal frequencies for sets and nfds are either 0% or 100% in my model

Now I wanna use a script to determine optimal frequencies for tptk and air, whos optimal frequencies are apparently somewhere in between.

But how do I do that?

In the videos you were using SetAllHands command in that preflop example, but that isnt really viable here I. (I think)

I tried this:



I would weigth (1) and (2) 100% and then run this script, but it doesnt work because variables are apparently also stored in the tree with the store tree command.

I kinda had to use store tree and load tree combo because I dont know another way to reset to 100% in (1) and (2)

Not restoring weights isnt really an option because then instead of EVs for (60, 80) (60, 85) (65, 80) (65, 85) pairs I get them for (60, 80) (36, 68) etc ... I will get the EV for top 80% of top 85% and top 60% of top 60% ...


How would you solve this? Or is solving problems like this not possible with CREV? (yet?)


fwiw I like your software a LOT, since I bought it I played more CREV than actual poker
I'll take a look at this post a bit later.
I don't really have the time right now.
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03-09-2013 , 08:45 AM
What i meant with excel output to have the alt+o command after you performed a script automatically copy the alt+o info to a excel sheet.

The tournament info stays on top also in script window covering up some of the commands
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03-09-2013 , 09:03 AM
I have a CREV study group and we were looking at creating an equilibrium range for a 4/5/6 bet. We wrote a script very simililar to the one in your equilibria videos, except with an extra nested loop. When we ran the script we end up with a tree that includes hands in our 4 bet range that are not in our opening range. What are our most likely errors here?
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03-09-2013 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Makemegood
What i meant with excel output to have the alt+o command after you performed a script automatically copy the alt+o info to a excel sheet.
The Alt+O command only applies to toggles for decisions/actions/conditions.
If you mean that you want excel output for graphs, then please press the "Text output" button in the graph window.

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Originally Posted by Makemegood
The tournament info stays on top also in script window covering up some of the commands
Ah, I see.
I'll suppress that then.
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03-09-2013 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Ulyss
I have a CREV study group and we were looking at creating an equilibrium range for a 4/5/6 bet. We wrote a script very simililar to the one in your equilibria videos, except with an extra nested loop. When we ran the script we end up with a tree that includes hands in our 4 bet range that are not in our opening range. What are our most likely errors here?
That doesn't sound like an error.
If you have a tree where location 2 occurs in a node after location 1 and the script goes something like:

1) Set All Hands (location 1)
2) Set All Hands (location 2)
3) Top%(location 2)
4) EV run
5) Top%(location 1)

then it's entirely possible that not all of the hands that made it to location 2 (line 3) will make it past location 1 (line 5).

So in that case they will still be included in location 2, after which it turned out that they did not make the cut for location 1.
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03-09-2013 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
That doesn't sound like an error.
If you have a tree where location 2 occurs in a node after location 1 and the script goes something like:

1) Set All Hands (location 1)
2) Set All Hands (location 2)
3) Top%(location 2)
4) EV run
5) Top%(location 1)

then it's entirely possible that not all of the hands that made it to location 2 (line 3) will make it past location 1 (line 5).

So in that case they will still be included in location 2, after which it turned out that they did not make the cut for location 1.
This is exactly how we have our script constructed. Still trying to understand though. Shouldn't this be an error? I mean our 4 bet range should not include hands that we did not open. Is there a preferable way of constructing this tree so that our 4 bet range only includes hands that we opened with? If this is the best way to construct the script, how do we interpret the optimal range?

Sorry if this is too much to ask. Thanks for the response already given.
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03-10-2013 , 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Ulyss
This is exactly how we have our script constructed. Still trying to understand though. Shouldn't this be an error? I mean our 4 bet range should not include hands that we did not open.
At the time that you constructed the 4bet range those hands wére included in it (because location 1 was for "all hands"). It was only after that that you decided to exclude some of those hands from getting to location 2.

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Originally Posted by Ulyss
Is there a preferable way of constructing this tree so that our 4 bet range only includes hands that we opened with?
If you really don't want those hands in that range then I suppose you could include an additional line:

X) Top%(Loc2,100,0,1)

However, it won't matter at all for the final result whether or not you include those hand in the 4bet range, since they don't make it to location 2 anyhow.

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Originally Posted by Ulyss
If this is the best way to construct the script, how do we interpret the optimal range?
It doesn't matter what is done with those hands at location 2 since they never make it past location 1 anyhow.

If you want me to take a closer look, please send a savefile to support.
I'm pretty sure we're talking about the same thing here, but just in case we're not, send a savefile.
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03-10-2013 , 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by LorenzoVMatterhorn
More importantly I'm struggling with this problem:

6m table, BTN open, SB 3bet, BTN calls

SB cbets flop, BTN raises with some stuff like sets, nfds, tptk and air:



After manual optimalization (manually optimalizing BTN strategy and using Max Exploit for SB strategy) it turns out optimal frequencies for sets and nfds are either 0% or 100% in my model

Now I wanna use a script to determine optimal frequencies for tptk and air, whos optimal frequencies are apparently somewhere in between.

But how do I do that?
I think the easiest thing to do here would be to just try a bit by hand.
Doing all of this by script is much more suitable if you're working with top%'s and bottom%'s of entire ranges.

If you're subdividing the ranges into categories, as you've done, then I think a script is just not the way to go here.

It's probably a better idea to subdivide the tp category into smaller categories according to kicker and then look for the configuration of placing those conditions under actions (where you simply apply them 0% of the time or 100% of the time) that performs best vs an optimal player.


See here for an example file of how to easily define kickers on a known board.

Last edited by scylla; 03-10-2013 at 07:32 AM.
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03-11-2013 , 12:46 PM
When I click the Unexploitable shove button a pop-up comes up that I cannot remove from the screen. I have already disabled 'Display toolbar hints but the pop-up appears and forces me to shut CREV down each time anyway.

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