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10-14-2021 , 10:28 AM
Hi Scylla,

When viewing the decision breakdown by hand for a specific bet size, the hands are sorted by default by equity. Is it also possible to sort the hands by their frequency for that bet size?
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10-15-2021 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by SchfiftyFive
Hi Scylla,

When viewing the decision breakdown by hand for a specific bet size, the hands are sorted by default by equity. Is it also possible to sort the hands by their frequency for that bet size?
Ok, I will consider it for future releases, although from an interface perspective this may not be entirely straightforward.
It would mean that the interface acts differently depending on which tab/item the user looks at.
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10-15-2021 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Ok, I will consider it for future releases, although from an interface perspective this may not be entirely straightforward.
It would mean that the interface acts differently depending on which tab/item the user looks at.
Scylla this part cannot be ordered from highest to lowest or vice versa?

Like when sorted in "Display result in Graph"
In DB mode we can choose to order by tree, equity EV or type of bets / checks. (I add that it only orders you from highest to lowest)


https://gyazo.com/ff6baa4e3dfe03321845d54aa3de328b
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10-16-2021 , 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Mates.
Scylla this part cannot be ordered from highest to lowest or vice versa?
Like when sorted in "Display result in Graph"
In DB mode we can choose to order by tree, equity EV or type of bets / checks. (I add that it only orders you from highest to lowest)
https://gyazo.com/ff6baa4e3dfe03321845d54aa3de328b
In the table/stats/etc, hands are ranked by equity, given that equity has a decent correlation with playing strength.
They can not be ranked differently, given that it's to indicate how playing strength is distributed throughout the range and the stats.
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10-16-2021 , 09:12 AM
Could not find a way to order the combos from lower frequency to higher frequency or vice versa of X action?
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10-16-2021 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Rounding works a bit differently in the more recent versions in order to make the bet sizing more realistic. Rounding is now dependent on the bet size. For example, bets of around $100 will be rounded to the nearest $5. Bets of around $0.50 will be rounded to the nearest $0.05. Etc.
Hi scylla, please add a way to turn this off, this is really annoying (and I don't see how this is realistic, I don't know anyone who rounds their bet sizes).
It's even combining multiple bet sizes into one if they are close enough. When I'm using the "advanced" tree builder, I'd like it to respect exactly what I input, otherwise it's really confusing to work with.


Also, the "Don't donk" toggle in the "use custom settings for flop" doesn't do anything anymore, right? It's already confusing to have 2 different ways to disable the donk bets depending on the street, but having that toggle doesn't help.


And last, I saw someone talk about crashes when selecting a turn, it happens to me as well quite often, but I haven't reported it because I'm not sure what causes it. (it's been happening for at least a year, so it's nothing new)
One scenario where it happens the most is: open a database, select a tree, change flop, rebuild with current settings, run solver in basic tab, it crashes when I select a turn (in basic storage).
But I do that scenario often, and I would say it only crashes maybe 1 in 20 times? Not sure why.

Thanks.
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10-17-2021 , 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Mates.
Could not find a way to order the combos from lower frequency to higher frequency or vice versa of X action?
Hands are ranked by equity, so that they are ranked by strength in the stats.
It's currently not possible to rank by combos, but I can consider it for future releases.
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10-17-2021 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by rogorz
Hi scylla, please add a way to turn this off, this is really annoying (and I don't see how this is realistic, I don't know anyone who rounds their bet sizes).
It's even combining multiple bet sizes into one if they are close enough. When I'm using the "advanced" tree builder, I'd like it to respect exactly what I input, otherwise it's really confusing to work with.
Ok, I'll add a code (in the upper right of the tree builder) to disable rounding/merging. Please do note though that in GTO play, all bet sizes have nearly exactly the same EV performance. This applies even much stronger if the bet sizes are nearly identical. Having two bets that are really close to each other will probably mean that the hands will be somewhat randomly distributed amongst them.

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Originally Posted by rogorz
Also, the "Don't donk" toggle in the "use custom settings for flop" doesn't do anything anymore, right? It's already confusing to have 2 different ways to disable the donk bets depending on the street, but having that toggle doesn't help.
It no longer applies to the flop, given that we don't know whether the flop bet is a donk.
To leave out the flop bet, enter 0 for "First bet".



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Originally Posted by rogorz
And last, I saw someone talk about crashes when selecting a turn, it happens to me as well quite often, but I haven't reported it because I'm not sure what causes it. (it's been happening for at least a year, so it's nothing new)
One scenario where it happens the most is: open a database, select a tree, change flop, rebuild with current settings, run solver in basic tab, it crashes when I select a turn (in basic storage).
But I do that scenario often, and I would say it only crashes maybe 1 in 20 times? Not sure why.
Ok, I'll see if I can reproduce this on Monday. I have never encountered this myself, but it's entirely possible that I'm using some slightly different approach/setting. Should you ever be in a position where you have a savefile of such a spot, then please send it to support.

Last edited by scylla; 10-17-2021 at 02:38 AM.
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10-17-2021 , 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
It no longer applies to the flop, given that we don't know whether the flop bet is a donk.
To leave out the flop bet, enter 0 for "First bet".
I know, what I meant is that you still have the "don't donk" toggle in the settings specific to the flop, even though it doesn't do anything anymore. You should probably remove it


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10-17-2021 , 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by rogorz
I know, what I meant is that you still have the "don't donk" toggle in the settings specific to the flop, even though it doesn't do anything anymore. You should probably remove it
Oh, I see.
Yes, that's an oversight.
I'll remove it for v137.
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10-19-2021 , 02:36 AM
If I use the latest version, will I still be able to see turn reports for files that were saved with medium storage?

Do you think you can disable the feature where it asks to save changes to files? I worry that if I click save, I will lose some of the data and will have to resolve. GTO+ asks about saving changes even when you just open a file and move to a new node on the same street.

I'd like an easier way to see the strategy for suited hands, especially suited hands without backdoor flush draw.
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10-19-2021 , 07:19 AM
I open GTO+ and use custom settings on F,T and R.

The betsizing i wish to use is 50%, which i enter, and build tree. Then solve.

However whem i play vs the solution , the betsize is 75%.

I have tried multiple times ,same same.

What am i missing?

Thanks

Last edited by Kosmo; 10-19-2021 at 07:40 AM.
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10-19-2021 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by dial
If I use the latest version, will I still be able to see turn reports for files that were saved with medium storage?
Medium storage has been removed, given that "Extensive" storage already covers everything that "Medium" storage offered.

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Originally Posted by dial
Do you think you can disable the feature where it asks to save changes to files? I worry that if I click save, I will lose some of the data and will have to resolve. GTO+ asks about saving changes even when you just open a file and move to a new node on the same street.
Moving to a different node constitutes a change to the savefile (the savefile would no longer be the same). Whenever such a change is made, it's necessary to ask for confirmation whether changes should be saved. It would unfortunately be very difficult to add customization here.

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Originally Posted by dial
I'd like an easier way to see the strategy for suited hands, especially suited hands without backdoor flush draw.
Ok, I will consider it for future releases.

Last edited by scylla; 10-19-2021 at 03:54 PM.
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10-19-2021 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Kosmo
I open GTO+ and use custom settings on F,T and R.

The betsizing i wish to use is 50%, which i enter, and build tree. Then solve.

However whem i play vs the solution , the betsize is 75%.

I have tried multiple times ,same same.

What am i missing?

Thanks
In the tree builder, can you try turning OFF "With only two bets left, get the money in smoothly"?
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10-19-2021 , 04:42 PM
Thanks, that did it.
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10-20-2021 , 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
Medium storage has been removed, given that "Extensive" storage already covers everything that "Medium" storage offered.



Moving to a different node constitutes a change to the savefile (the savefile would no longer be the same). Whenever such a change is made, it's necessary to ask for confirmation whether changes should be saved. It would unfortunately be very difficult to add customization here.



Ok, I will consider it for future releases.
Thank you for considering making an easier way to see the strategy for suited hands. I prefer graphically, but I didn't realize sometimes you can export strategy for individual hands from the graphing area. Can you do this when choosing a single flop in database mode? I know you can export from the main section, but I prefer doing it from the graphing area since neither of the exports have headings at the top and the graphing area has less columns. I get confused more when I export from the main section.
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10-20-2021 , 10:31 AM
Hi scylla,
Is there a way to download aggregate frequencies for turn and river.
Say you have a subset for the blind war and want to know cbet turn frequencies for all runouts on all the subset boards.
The info is already in the file, but can we download it in as an agreggate report to excel?
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10-20-2021 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by TheMonolith
Hi scylla,
Is there a way to download aggregate frequencies for turn and river.
Say you have a subset for the blind war and want to know cbet turn frequencies for all runouts on all the subset boards.
The info is already in the file, but can we download it in as an agreggate report to excel?
This is currently not available, but I will consider it for future releases.
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10-20-2021 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by dial
Thank you for considering making an easier way to see the strategy for suited hands. I prefer graphically, but I didn't realize sometimes you can export strategy for individual hands from the graphing area. Can you do this when choosing a single flop in database mode? I know you can export from the main section, but I prefer doing it from the graphing area since neither of the exports have headings at the top and the graphing area has less columns. I get confused more when I export from the main section.
The colums in the main section are:
- Hand
- Equity
- Combos total
- Combo for each action (one column per action)
- Percentage for each action (one column per action)
- EV total
- EV for each action (one column per action)
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10-20-2021 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
This is currently not available, but I will consider it for future releases.
Thank you for the reply, scylla.
It would be a great addition for the future.
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10-21-2021 , 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
The colums in the main section are:
- Hand
- Equity
- Combos total
- Combo for each action (one column per action)
- Percentage for each action (one column per action)
- EV total
- EV for each action (one column per action)
@scylla

1) Yes, we really appreciate if there are headers of columns when extracting data to clipboard.

2) Ability to sort by columns throughout the software is also highly useful. For example, if I can sort which hole cards I should bet/check most frequently (on the page with the card matrix), then it would save time from extracting data to excel.

3) Also at that page, can we have option to select multiple decicions? For example, can we select bet 1/4 pot together with bet 1/2 pot to analyze the betting hands vs the check hands?

Last edited by K_of_diamond; 10-21-2021 at 06:07 AM.
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10-23-2021 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by K_of_diamond
@scylla

1) Yes, we really appreciate if there are headers of columns when extracting data to clipboard.

2) Ability to sort by columns throughout the software is also highly useful. For example, if I can sort which hole cards I should bet/check most frequently (on the page with the card matrix), then it would save time from extracting data to excel.

3) Also at that page, can we have option to select multiple decicions? For example, can we select bet 1/4 pot together with bet 1/2 pot to analyze the betting hands vs the check hands?
1) Ok, this has been taken care of for v137
3) Something along these lines is also available in v137
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10-25-2021 , 05:28 AM
scylla adds the ability to choose geometrical bets sizing to the tree edition. Thank you!
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10-25-2021 , 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Mates.
scylla adds the ability to choose geometrical bets sizing to the tree edition. Thank you!
This is already available.
Go here for more information: https://www.gtoplus.com/treebuilder
Details for geometric sizing are under Special input: 3.Codes for geometric sizing.
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10-25-2021 , 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
This is already available.
Go here for more information: https://www.gtoplus.com/treebuilder
Details for geometric sizing are under Special input: 3.Codes for geometric sizing.
Sorry Scylla, i mean on Edit tree builder.. Here

https://imgur.com/a/wpoyLOe
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