Here's an example on when it stuck here and i have 5 tables going with no hud. Usually i wait a few minutes (have waited longer) and rerun the program. But when it does work, it works instantly.

BTW, ats= attempt to steal

AutoImport Ready.
Global lock taken ... Auto Import Started.

* Add Full Tilt Poker import directory ** ERROR DEFAULT PATH IN CONFIG DOES NOT EXIST **.
* Add PokerStars import directory C:\Program Files\PokerStars\HandHistory\UFGator38.
* Add Carbon import directory ** ERROR DEFAULT PATH IN CONFIG DOES NOT EXIST **
HH20100603 Ismene IX 40-100 bb - $0.10-$0.25 - USD No Limit Hold'em.txt 1 stored, 0 duplicates, 0 partial, 0 errors (time = 12.578000)...
HH20100603 Ismene IX 40-100 bb - $0.10-$0.25 - USD No Limit Hold'em.txt

Can I assume the HUD didn't appear with the above example?

12 Seconds is a ridiculously long time to import a single hand.

Can you quit fpdb, then restart it then Database->Rebuild DB Indexes please? I expect it will take a few minutes to complete.

If the hands are still importing slowly after that try and rebuild the hudcache. Fair warning - a full hudcache rebuild will probably take a lot of resources, and potentially time too. I recommend reducing the length of time the villains cache is being built for.

Sorrow

Arguably, not only do we need definitions, but clarifications on what the formula is doing. For example, if I make a bet at the flop, turn OR river, and no one calls, it does not count it as a "showdown". IMHO, this distorts the stats. So, If I did that (bet) 20 times at the river, didn't get called 15 times (winning the pot), got called 5 times, winning twice and losing 3 times, I've actually won the pot 17 out of 20 times... 85% But the way that stat is set up, it says I only won two "showdowns" out of 5 "showdowns" for 40%. Quite a difference. I feel when you make a bet and aren't called and win the pot that is a "showdown". I don't see any stat other than that one... maybe there should be one "wmih" for "won money in hand"

I don't mind working on definitions for most all of the stats. I know math, and I know poker. The problem is I don't know coding. I did do a simple definition a month or more ago that I thought was in the fpdb site somewhere.

Dog

Let me know if or when someone is ready to attack the stats and I'll do my part describing what the math and explanation should be, then a developer can do that coding for it. I'm ready when you are.

I did find the old post I made... further back than I thought, last July. so, rather than run everyone around. I'll post it here as a new post...

Hds = Total hands you are dealt in

VPIP = Hands you "Voluntarily Put Money In Pot" blinds not included

PFR = Preflop raise (% of time you raise preflop)

PF3 = How many times YOU make it three bets preflop

Steals = When you are the first person in the pot, on the button and raise (stealing blinds)

SawF = You saw the flop vs hands dealt in

SawSD = Saw showdown. If you bet and win the pot without a call, it does NOT include that as a showdown

WtSDwsF = Went to showdown when saw flop

W$SDwsf = Won money at showdown when saw flop

FlAFq = % of time you bet/raise after seeing flop (flop aggression)

TuAFq = % of time you bet/raise after seeing Turn (turn aggression)

RvAFq = % of time you bet/raise after seeing River (river aggression)

Net($) = Money won (assuming you win ) Green is win, Red is Loss

bb/100 = how many big blinds you win or lose per 100 hands

Rake = How much rake you paid when winning a pot

bbxr/100 = (a wasted stat IMHO) how many big blinds per 100 hands if you didn't pay rake (but we HAVE to pay rake! )

Variance = Don't know how they compute it, but the lower the figure, the better your play

In the "Hand breakdown" section there is also...

SawF = Saw Flop, % of time vs dealt hands

SawSD = Saw showdown, % of time vs saw flop

This will get you a general idea of what each column represents without getting into the formulas specifically (which may or may not be accurate )

Dog

Thank you for that ^^

% Fold Flop/4th is the % person will fold after seeing a flop?

Also, I just installed this and everything seems to be working fine. The only issue ive come across is when I use the hud in a sng or mtt it resets every 20 hands or 5 minutes, cant tell which... It works fine in ring games.

Thanks for the prog

oh one more thing, how do i export graphs?

thx again

It would seem that the flip side of this (or perhaps, the other two legs to this stool) would be.

• A definitive public list (not in the code) which shows the actual formulas used to calculate each stat.
  
• A "Standard Hand History". Just a fixed group of hands that will generate known answers for each equation.

Given those things:

1. The average home user could generate the "Standard" dataset and check the stats, this would give them go/no go status on their installation.
   
2. The developers can run this data into a new build to quickly see if they've introduced any bugs.

By having a copy of the "Standard Hand History" for each site, it could be used to test changes to the hand importers as well.

Arsenal6 - This wont work for you. It will appear to, it just doesn't do anything (it does it quickly at least...)

I've fixed this in my codebase but that isn't going to help you.
This is still your best bet.

Agreed.

Examples and hand histories are the way we will need maintain this longer term though. A regression test library was started with a few hand histories with corner cases, but finding real examples for all cases, and manually recording the microstats for each hand is hard, tedious work. It doesn't take long before playing poker seems like a much better idea.

This is one area where non-programming users could help out significantly.

If anyone is interested in providing full details of a 'useful' hand history, I have an anonymising script and am willing to guide you through the process.
I disagree here.

def. Saw Showdown. 2 or more players did not fold, and 1 or more players exposed their holecards.

If a player only goes to showdown in %3 of hands he vpips, then he's either extremely weak passive, or very aggressive. You just need complimentary stats to show this eg. W$wsF.

Your redline graph consistently rising will make you feel better
As I mentioned, thrashing out the definitions and all of the corner cases with examples is going to take time. I looked at the CBet stat problem for several hours and wasn't able to come up with a hand where the code failed. Turns out, i'd not considered a re-raise to also be a CBet. Mentally my definition of CBet was a cold bet, (Thanks gimick)... even though i was testing for both 'bet' and 'raise'.

Have you got a Sourceforge login Dog? i'm happy to set anyone up as an editor.

I'll bold my comments to the definitions, i've spent a lot of time looking at the various corner cases over the last 12 months. What really needs to be spelled out are simple things like dealt, Seen, won, bet, raise, acted.

FWIW - my very short list of notes on definitions:

* Won = collected some money from pot (even if that amount was less than the money committed to the pot. (split pot games do this regularly, walked in the bb with a dead sb is 0 sum)
* Donkbet = betting without initiative into the (preflop) raiser (Need to define initiative, person with initiative all-in and >2 players?)
* cbet = Had the last bet (initiative) on previous street, got called, bets now (assuming no donkbets) - This is what I was mentioning above.
* stealAttemptChance:
* Full Ring: Hijack, Cutoff, Button, SB
* 6-max: Cutoff, Button, SB
* HU: Button: ?
* Between?

Most of those stats above are defined by simpler primitives.
Individual: (X means up to 0,1,2,3,4)
startCash, position, cardX, startcards, ante, wonWhenSeenStreetX, street0_4BChance/Done, streetXseen, streetXAggr, otherRaisedStreetX, foldToOtherRaisedStreetX, fold(Bb,Sb)ToStealChance, streetXCBChance, street1CBDone, foldToStreetXCBChance, foldToStreetXCBDone, streetXCheckCallRaiseChance, streetXCheckCallRaiseDone, streetXCalls, streetXBets, streetXRaises.

River Agression is currently defined by: 100.0*sum(street3Aggr)/sum(street3Seen)... which i'm pretty sure is wrong for stud.

Seen is currently defined as: Any player who acted on that street. Which is also slightly wrong, as all-ins wouldn't act. Does an all-in see all cards or just showdown? In a multiway pot does that change?


I don't believe these have been functional in any test since Christmas.

Its ffreq_flop/was_raised_flop, so check/check doesn't count.

foldToStreetXCBDone (ie. fold to continuation bet, which hopefully is a subset of was_raised_flop) isn't calculated yet either.

Take a look at the FAQ - you can set aggregation so this doesn't happen.

re: Graph export - Does the export button not create a .png file where requested? I haven't used that feature since I added it.

Sorrow

We did start discussing this a while ago.

http://****************/mailarchive/f...name=fpdb-main

Which lead to this:

http://****************/apps/mediawik...atabase_Schema

(Most of the individual database stats are defined in HandsPlayers)

I've now updated the previous Abbreviations page:
http://****************/apps/mediawik..._Abbreviations

If you'd like to contribute - let me know your sourceforge account name via PM
I really wish the Sites provided a Standard Hand History, or even had defined all the various permutations and orderings that actions can occur in.

Basically we need to collect hands that contain as many permutations of the various true/false possibilities as possible then manually document them.

Finding hands like 'all-in with less than a tourney ante' for all games, 'Stud hand where a steal is possible' or 'HU Razz' are hard to locate.

Hmm. I'm thinking a bounty page may be useful.

Sorrow

negative, it doesnt seem to be creating any file at all

Did you enter a filename?

I got it to work by putting a paint short cut in a new folder and exporting the graph to that. theres gotta be an easier way, right?

Also, whenever im using the prog as soon as i minimize the window it goes away and all thats left is the the little hud window and the c prompt screen. when i wanna go back and see my stats and what not, i have to restart the prog. am i doing something wrong?

I cant find this in the FAQ. I used CTRL F and everything!

http://****************/apps/mediawik...sked_Questions

This page, right?

Thanks for the quick reply, sorrow!

git://git.assembla.com/free_poker_tools.git and Windows XP SP3

Ah, great ... I found it. I just expected to find the config file somewhere in the application directory. But I guess I assumed too much

Help/About says it's 0.12. So I guess there are versions which are further along the road? Last year, Eratosthenes' tree was recommended to me cuz he is a Stud player (I asked for good Stud support) and the version is supposed to be pretty stable. I don't know if things have changed and other trees might be preferable now for my needs. I still only want to use it for Stud/Stud8/Razz, although it would be cool to use it for Draw poker as well. But I'm not sure if FPDB already supports draw, and if it does which variants.

Cheers,
CV

Wow, this is weird. There is not a single entry for the HUD module. I'm pretty sure though that the HUD worked when I used it the last time (which was September last year though).

Damn, I never gave it enough thought to realize the long tedious part of finding hh examples, especially when considering all the games, AND, all the sites. I realize that in "some" cases one hh might serve for several examples because of the complexity of that hand. I would like to contribute to whatever level I am able.

Not sure if I have the variety necessary. I play FR only. Rarely play tournaments. (too much time, too little money vs cash games) I play Omaha08 fixed, Omaha08 pot limit, Limit Holdem and could be coaxed into some micro NL for the good of the project, and to create some "example" hh's. I am correct that manipulating a micro level hand to create an example is fine, as long as it fits the definition??

I think that is a better stat for what I personally am looking for. If I am correct (too lazy to go look right now) that stat is not available in the hud, just the player stats report??

You were reading my mind. Been trying to figure out how to turn that red line UP. I am somewhat aggressive and tend to win a lot of non-showdown hands. If I understand you, that hurts my red line, even though it increases the blue and green lines (profit) on the graphs.


No, I don't and if your opinion is that I can contribute enough, then I would like to do that. We can continue that in PM or by email.

One other thing in closing. (major annoyance to me) I can NEVER get the graph to show the current day's play. Obviously, it is on a way different "date" or "time" or both, than the player stats screen. I have even tried going back a week or more, randomly picking a day and running both a graph, and a stats report. Never match.

Also, when I want a graph of just omaha08... and I don't put a date range, or in some cases put too long a range, it includes my holdem as well, even though the box for that is unchecked... is anyone currently working on any part of the graphing?

Thx for all the time and hard work in the background that you are doing, and the other contributors as well.

Dog

I havent noticed this..yet.

+1

Freshly written tutorial:

http://****************/apps/mediawik...ort_a_graph.3F
It should minimise to the system tray as a 4 panel square with the card suits on it down by the windows time.

Left click that icon and the main window should appear again.

My bad - could have sworn we had a page for that. Written one now:

http://****************/apps/mediawik...itle=Howto_HUD -

Heh. Mine too.

We've come quite a way since that time, Stud is much closer to a first class citizen now.

Eratosthenes hasn't been about much of late, his tree tends to lag behind by a few weeks generally, but is usually safe to run with.

At this moment his tree is almost exactly the same as what was released in the .exe version in March. We were trying to stabilise for a 0.20 release, so all of the trees slowed down - but it never quite left the building so i've started to include some larger changes.
We support draw - although we only have 1 draw user that I know of. I'm pretty sure the stats work on draw aswell as they do for flop games. Stud stability is also much improved.

The three most active trees in the last months have been Gimick, Kangaderoo and Myself, with Bostik tracking us pretty closely.

My tree (fpdboz) can be a bit unstable, usually because i'm pulling and publishing code from new developers (and i'm a lazy tester)

I've def got some bug fixes worth having, Kangaderoo has implemented a scaling layout for the HUD (which i'm looking at grabbing soon) that allows the playing windows to be resized and the hud windows will reposition appropriately.

Sorrow

It may have been fixed already. I'm running an older version...

0.12-20100122 which is the January version, on Vista. I tried the exe version and threw up shortly after installing it. Too many problems so I did with it what I did with my first wife 35 years ago.

I've even tried (last two days) adding a few of the py files to my py installation. It wouldn't run when I added the newer fpdb.py, or a couple of others. I figured there would be a compatibility problem. If the graphing problems are fixed, I think I may go back and see if the 0305 version works better for me.

One question for Sorrow. When you fix something in the git, is it also replaced in the last version? Or do we download and drop it in the pyfpdb directory ourselves? I just don't want to go get the last py version to find out I then have to, one by one, figure out which py files have been updated since that release, and download them one by one. Thx.

Dog

Thats got me a little stumped. I need to spend some time reviewing what you've given me so far.

I suspect you are having a similar issue to arsenal, but you dont seem to be getting any interaction with the hud at all.

Is your user an admin of your machine?
This is an area where commercial house outperform open source products. Its really tough to find people let alone programmers that enjoy testing and cataloging minutea. Cataloging test cases and expected output then verifying is probably harder than the original code and much less satisfying. Paying someone to care works much better i imagine.

I prefer real hh's - it takes a lot of effort to doctor a hand and not mess something small up.

Good hands in all games (even ones you folded preflop) are appreciated - opportunities to 3/4bet, or cbet are just as useful. Any coverage of games like PLO8 (that game is like crack i swear...) helps. It helps a lot if the key details of the hand and documented and verified, especially if it is failing.

It doesn't look like it.
No - redline is non-showdown winnings. You are using a version that gets some of those calculations very wrong. If bet and take it on the river, it is incorrectly recording that as a showdown win.
You know where to find me.
This is/has been worked on. I haven't taken a look yet, but i think sqlcoder posted a few patches working towards better time management.
Thats also a bug in your version - those controls were only for show for quite a while.
Its appreciated.

If i say it is in my git, then the next tarball will have it.

I may have explained that poorly. I didn't mean "doctoring" a completed hh. I meant sitting in a micro game and creating certain senarios. Such as 3bet a hand preflop to have that example, maybe then a cbet, and so on. Then using that hh to show 3bets, cbets, vpip, saw flop, saw turn, yada yada. I meant using a real file that had real examples. (even at the risk of driving some players in the game crazy.

Ahah! That's why my redline won't turn up, I may go try the latest tar again, sigh

Do you know if that is in the latest tar? Sqlcoder, are you around? Hello?

Dog

I've just uploaded another snapshot. Bug fixes and stat fixes all around.

Hopefully some better logging when there is problems too.

EDIT: Oh yeah - terrorising lower stakes players is justified when helping an opensource project

is there any table selection tool that works with this, preferably a free 1 good work

I installed the new snapshot 20100605 on Vista. It kept giving me an error when I tried to run it on Mysql. This was when I attempted to recreate the database after the warning that my database was too old, wrong format etc etc. It was something to the effect that "a line in Sql was using the wrong syntax"....

So, I remmed out the mysql and switched to sqllite and it works perfect!!

Had to do a lot of config reworking for my setup, not a prob. And when it didn't work at first, I remember that saving it to the pyfpdb directory was in my old version. I remember to save it to the appdata directory for "fpdb" where the logs also showed.

Looks good, works good. Even the graphs now match the time/date of the same player's stats. Nice job all, and thanks for uploading it. I've been making all my config changes directly in the file... I see that can be done in "preferences" now. Is that trustworthy?

Main point is... it works in Vista once you get the config setup. I deleted a lot of the sites I never plan on playing on, just to clean it up a bit.

Nite...

Dog

p.s. The one thing that didn't work for me in the config file was using hudsuffix="" it still left the "%", so I just changed them in the stats.py file directly.