Bovada is a great site to make a converter. I didn't think they even had the option for hand histories or I might have beat you to it

I'm not sure why I would want to do that. I am still going to fix issues that come up. I treat my source code like an old woman treats her underwear. It is very private and personal to me. Just like an old woman can't quite get all the skid-marks out, my code is harsh and untamed.

Yes that was me

Dunno, why do people do open source projects? Then again, I've coded enough to know all about the skid marks, i.e. not too comfortable to release my code either, unless it's deadline Although the times I did, I usually learned something.

Hopefully you have time to tackle the weird stack / pot size problems, PT4 is very picky when it comes to those, and it seems it's the big pots that are missed from import when some chips aren't accounted for.

FWIW, it would seem to me that with the first table on EPN, PT4 HUD sticks fine, but any others show the behaviour. Not 100% sure on that, but happened a couple of times.

Thanks so much for this awesome gift :-)


I am having some issues getting it configured. I read over these posts and didn't see my issue anywhere so here goes.

Problem 1) Hands converted successfully, and HM2 seemingly pointed at converted folder and importing as expected. However, my DB shows as having 0 hands. Clicking the opponents tab shows 'no player hands found'. If I manually open the converted folder, I see lots of HH files.

Problem 2) In the active session tab, the table I'm playing shows in the 'open tables detected' box, but clicking Table Finder wants me to select a session from the list above, but nothing shows in the list.

Thank you for any help!

You should check that the hands that are in the "converted" folder are actually showing up as pokerstars hands. If you manually import those hands then they should either be added or there should be errors. I think the problem is that you don't have the site setup for pokerstars in HM2 to look in the right place.

Thanks for the suggestions. Unfortunately after checking those two things, I still don't see the problems. I include a screenshot of a converted file, and the site setup box in HM2 for your consideration. Thanks for any other ideas :-)

Fooled around a bit... seems that if I convert to 888 format, for example, the HUD sticks better with PT4 (i.e. no young boy crush effect at least so far).
I'm thinking of hacking up some code to try this at some point. Would appreciate if OP, FreakDaddy or anyone else in the know could give tips on the (EPN specific) problems with the conversion... haven't done a full hand converter before. I'd have to guess at least some missing/dead blind stuff comes up along the way. Anything else I should look out for?

the screenshot shows they are...

this is important and not addressed from your screenshots

EPN has a lot of opportunities to improve their hand histories. If you are just doing it for a HUD for yourself then it's ok but if you want to give it to other people you should know that

-every skin's format is slightly different
-every hand history says holdem no matter what game it really is
-EPN lists the winnings incorrectly when there are sidepots. They show the rake multiple times also

Yeah I noticed they seem to say holdem for PLO and then pick randomly whether it's FL or Pot limit
The sidepot tip makes sense, I guess that's why PT4 currently reports stack/pot size errors on most of the big pots.
Thanks.

"If you manually import those hands then they should either be added or there should be errors."
"this is important and not addressed from your screenshots"



I'm unclear on this part. I believe I have auto-importing set up correctly in site setup for Pokerstars. If I have the correct folder indicated, then I shouldn't need to do it manually, is that correct?

So far I believe I have been hitting 'manual import', but it appears to go through a process of reading hands. There are many errors listed as a result. Also not sure if the warning triangle next to pokerstars is relevant or how to change it to all clear.

I feel like I'm almost there, maybe just a check box off or something :-) Thank you so much for your help. I'm excited to get NoteCaddy working!

That last screenshot is very telling. If possible please PM me one of the original hands that your EPN software saved so I can convert it and see why HM2 won't import it

I uploaded a new version of the converter that makes adjustments to pot sizes when EPN writes the information incorrectly. The thing is sometimes it is way off. I wish I could post some of the hands here people sent me as it is really strange how they award winnings to players that exceed money that was put into the pot etc. I don't imagine my changes will cause it to work perfectly but given that the new HM2 version is also now more picky about pot sizes matching up hopefully it is a little better

Hi, I downloaded HM2 and the converter and they're working great except for one small problem. When multi-tabling, I can't move the HUDs on one table without moving them on all the tables. So I get them aligned with the right names, but can only get them matched on one table. I'm probably just being an idiot, but any help would be great. Thanks.

You have to create HUD profile for each 4m/6m/9m table, set one as default and change to other during the session as neccessary.
I think there're even 2 different 6max layouts, so you'd need 2 6max HUD profiles.

I'm not in front of my computer atm but isn't there a box for saving the HUD placement to the profile you can uncheck

Thanks for the response. Unfortunately, I'm new to HM and don't know how to create HUD profiles. How do I do that?

Have you submitted this issue to full flush's support?

If/when you do can you paste your comments to them here so the rest of us can submit similar complaints.

I just uploaded what is likely to be the final update to this converter. It deals with converting hands that were played in the past in international time zones. It is available at the same URL listed in the first post of this thread.

My goal with this converter was to make it so I could use a HUD. I then thought it was unfair for only me to have that ability so I posted it here. Tracking results 100% accurately wasn't the goal but somehow it is the expectation for the very few people who downloaded it.

I play only very sporadically online nowadays as I am too busy with my main project to be more involved with EPN. There are some quite obvious opportunities for improvement like listing Omaha hands as Holdem hands. I think when they decide to prioritize getting their hand histories written correctly they will be able to have full HM support pretty easily

I figured if we all squeak then the wheel will get a little grease. Good luck with your paid endeavor and thanks again for all the work you've done on this. I'm sure that your associates at Holdem Manager are grateful that due to your converter I'm a paying customer.

I am trying to use this converter with PT4 and it seems to find the hands and convert them, then import into PT4, but then I cant see any stats or get any HUDs to show up. Not sure what I am doing wrong. Pokerhost is set to save the hands to the specified folder for the converter and PT4 is set to find the hands where I put them after conversion. Like I said not sure where I am going wrong.

Possibly this?

Though it worked for me with 1 table. 2+ tables and only one table showed the hud reliably. For some reason, converting the EPN hands to 888 format works much better than the current Stars format, the PT HUD works fine.

PT uses the table finder for some networks (Winning, for example) when it can't be sure of the table, so that might work too, but I don't know of a way to manually use the finder.

I tried using the 888 config to import hands but it is saying unexpected beginning of hand history. I am not very well versed in PT4 so forgive me if I am missing something obvious. I am not sure any table finder is working at all, is there any way I can look at that or manually start it?

Sorry if I was unclear. You need a program to convert the hands to 888 format, PT can't import Stars hands (the way they're now converted) as 888 hands.

I don't think the table finder is useful in this situation. IIRC, it automatically pops up on Winning network when two tables have identical names.

Alright well then a searching I will go for the program. Like I said just not well versed yet. I appreciate the help though.

FWIW, I didn't find such a program anywhere, had to build my own. Before you ask, no, it's not public (at least as of yet); it's now good for some limited stuff only. If you're into python, you could probably make it work for you easily, though.

Ah yes well I am not good with any type of programming. Guess I will just play for a bit more on the site while I decide somewhere I can go to use PT4 since I did pay for it and all lol