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Can anyone explain why PT4 does not show an All-In Equity for this hand? Can anyone explain why PT4 does not show an All-In Equity for this hand?

03-26-2023 , 01:12 PM
Here is the hand - as you see, one villain was all-in on the flop, and I jammed the other villain all-in on the turn. So, by the turn, all of us were all-in - yet PT4 does not show an All-In Equiity for this hand in the chart/results section! According to the hand details, I was 86% to win main, and 95% to win side pot - and should have won $206.67 but PT4 has $-50 as my all-in Adjusted Equity.

PartyGaming - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 319.82 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 22.62 BB
MP: 100 BB
Hero (CO): 299.16 BB
BTN: 105.88 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, MP posts penalty blind 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has 4 4

UTG calls 1 BB, MP checks, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 2 BB, MP raises to 7 BB, Hero calls 4 BB, UTG calls 4 BB

Flop: (22.5 BB, 3 players) T 4 5
UTG bets 15.62 BB, MP calls 15.62 BB, Hero calls 15.62 BB

Turn: (69.36 BB, 3 players) 6
MP bets 43.92 BB, Hero raises to 276.54 BB, MP calls 33.46 BB

River: (224.12 BB, 3 players) Q

UTG shows T 6 (Two Pair, Tens and Sixes)

Main Pot [69.36 BB]: (Pre 16%, Flop 10%, Turn 10%)

MP shows Q Q (Three of a Kind, Queens)

Main Pot [69.36 BB]: (Pre 66%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
Side Pot#1 [154.76 BB]: (Pre 79%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)

Hero shows 4 4 (Three of a Kind, Fours)

Main Pot [69.36 BB]: (Pre 19%, Flop 81%, Turn 86%)
Side Pot#1 [154.76 BB]: (Pre 21%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)

MP wins 218.12 BB
Hero wins 0 BB
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04-03-2023 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by silky28
Here is the hand - as you see, one villain was all-in on the flop, and I jammed the other villain all-in on the turn. So, by the turn, all of us were all-in - yet PT4 does not show an All-In Equiity for this hand in the chart/results section! According to the hand details, I was 86% to win main, and 95% to win side pot - and should have won $206.67 but PT4 has $-50 as my all-in Adjusted Equity.

PartyGaming - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 319.82 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 22.62 BB
MP: 100 BB
Hero (CO): 299.16 BB
BTN: 105.88 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, MP posts penalty blind 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has 4 4

UTG calls 1 BB, MP checks, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 2 BB, MP raises to 7 BB, Hero calls 4 BB, UTG calls 4 BB

Flop: (22.5 BB, 3 players) T 4 5
UTG bets 15.62 BB, MP calls 15.62 BB, Hero calls 15.62 BB

Turn: (69.36 BB, 3 players) 6
MP bets 43.92 BB, Hero raises to 276.54 BB, MP calls 33.46 BB

River: (224.12 BB, 3 players) Q

UTG shows T 6 (Two Pair, Tens and Sixes)

Main Pot [69.36 BB]: (Pre 16%, Flop 10%, Turn 10%)

MP shows Q Q (Three of a Kind, Queens)

Main Pot [69.36 BB]: (Pre 66%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
Side Pot#1 [154.76 BB]: (Pre 79%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)

Hero shows 4 4 (Three of a Kind, Fours)

Main Pot [69.36 BB]: (Pre 19%, Flop 81%, Turn 86%)
Side Pot#1 [154.76 BB]: (Pre 21%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)

MP wins 218.12 BB
Hero wins 0 BB
It is because UTG is all in on the flop. PT4 cannot calculate all-in equity for the UTG player as it still does not know MP holding. On the turn when MP and Hero do get it all in then the equity of UTG all in hand has obviously changed due to the additional street.

Quote from the PT4 help page;

"If the players have differing stack sizes, All-in Equity actually ignores this situation. To understand why PT4 does this, let's look at a simple example.

Hero ($100)

Player A ($900)

Player B ($1000)

Hero open shoves for $100 with QQ and both Player A and Player B call. The flop is KQ3, Player A bets $150 and Player B calls. The turn is a J, Player A bets $500 and Player B folds. Player A shows AK, the river is a T and Player A wins.

At what point would we calculate the All-in Equity? Do we do it preflop? We don't know what Player B has and thus the calculation would be incorrect. Do we do it on the turn once Player B folds? We shouldn't do that as we got our money all-in preflop and not on the turn with influenced action. Starting to see the issue?

This is why PokerTracker 4 does not include hands like this in the All-in Equity results. There is simply no correct/complete way to do so, and we'd rather not give you incorrect information."
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