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03-14-2011 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by corporaldeny
Thanks for the answer, I will submit logfile.

One other issue: Limiting the limits you are allowed to play results in notm beeing able to rail highstakes!
Haha, yea I know you have to make a little sacrifice there, but it's better than being a full time railbird with no bankroll begging for $5 right?

There might be a work around on that in the future, but that wouldn't be for a long time.

S!K
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03-16-2011 , 05:04 AM
Ok, if u dont login and just observe one can rail, so thats fine.

Other issue:
I think its not good, that the session resets after a stop loss was reached and the tilt time runned.

Because: you can only set one stoploss.
As an example: I want to be breacked 5min. after I loose one stack from peak.
But I also want to be breacked for 30 min after I loose 3buyins from start.

So the second rule never comes to effect
if the session always starts counting at zero after I lost one stack.

Kindly
corporaldeny
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03-16-2011 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by corporaldeny
Ok, if u dont login and just observe one can rail, so thats fine.
Nice.

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Other issue:
I think its not good, that the session resets after a stop loss was reached and the tilt time runned.

Because: you can only set one stoploss.
As an example: I want to be breacked 5min. after I loose one stack from peak.
But I also want to be breacked for 30 min after I loose 3buyins from start.

So the second rule never comes to effect
if the session always starts counting at zero after I lost one stack.

Kindly
corporaldeny
Ahhh ok, yeah I don't like that either. What if I add a "Qualifying Peak" amount? Basically TB will not enforce "From Session Peak" until you have at least reached $x; for example winning $100.

Let me clarify this concept a bit more. Let's say you have a Stop Loss from Start for $300, a Session Peak from $150, and a Qualifying Peak of $100. Under this scenario, if you win $99 and then lose $300, you will not hit your Stop Loss from Peak (since $99 doesn't qualify as a "peak") and you will still be $99 away from hitting your Stop Loss from Start.

thoughts?

Also, please send me your log file so I can address the issues you had before. I can't fix bugs without those log files.

thanks,
S!K

Last edited by suic!deking; 03-16-2011 at 09:02 AM.
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03-17-2011 , 07:41 AM
Qualifying Peak would be a nice extra.
But rather more I would like the program not to restart a session on its own.

I will think about how, it could be solved best/better in a few days. There is so much room. For an example: if one looses 3buyins in 2hours is something howl different to loosing that amount in 15min. Loosing that in 15min, will much more likely result in tilt....
So I will need to think about it, which featueres this programm should provide.
How about a discount serial for my help?

For the logfile: the issue with stop win, I can not send, because I reinstalled the programm, after that already once. Sorry!
But the problem with rush poker I could send. Although you can recreate that issue one youre own:
Play rush poker, set forced breack for playing longer than 1min. as an example.
Then, when the box "sit out next hand" gets checked: uncheck it. After the delay timer is at zero the program will try to close the window. Since you are not sitting out at this time, Fulltilt will ask you wether you want to close the table although playing a hand. If you click no, you can continue playing....

How about a option that you can choose, that the complete PC can be blocked.
I would like that. If one is on breack and/or tilt, one shouldnt stay sitting at the pc, to get the head free one should rather take a walk around the block etc.....


Again sorry for my spelling..
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03-17-2011 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by suic!deking

Ahhh ok, yeah I don't like that either. What if I add a "Qualifying Peak" amount? Basically TB will not enforce "From Session Peak" until you have at least reached $x; for example winning $100.

Let me clarify this concept a bit more. Let's say you have a Stop Loss from Start for $300, a Session Peak from $150, and a Qualifying Peak of $100. Under this scenario, if you win $99 and then lose $300, you will not hit your Stop Loss from Peak (since $99 doesn't qualify as a "peak") and you will still be $99 away from hitting your Stop Loss from Start.

thoughts?

Also, please send me your log file so I can address the issues you had before. I can't fix bugs without those log files.

thanks,
S!K
First, I want to say how absolutely thrilled I am for finding out about this software today! I read this whole thread and you are doing amazing job. I give you standing ovation for effort.

I am 100% buying this and telling everyone I know who plays poker about this.

Now, please please please add "Qualifying Peak". I think it is absolutely necessary and logical.

You are SICK S!K
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03-17-2011 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by corporaldeny
Qualifying Peak would be a nice extra.
But rather more I would like the program not to restart a session on its own.

I will think about how, it could be solved best/better in a few days. There is so much room. For an example: if one looses 3buyins in 2hours is something howl different to loosing that amount in 15min. Loosing that in 15min, will much more likely result in tilt....
So I will need to think about it, which featueres this programm should provide.
How about a discount serial for my help?
I see what you are saying. I will chew on this and try to think of something practical.

Unfortunately I cannot give discounts for feature feedback, because it sets a precedent I don't really want to partake in. Sorry

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For the logfile: the issue with stop win, I can not send, because I reinstalled the programm, after that already once. Sorry!
But the problem with rush poker I could send. Although you can recreate that issue one youre own:
Play rush poker, set forced breack for playing longer than 1min. as an example.
Then, when the box "sit out next hand" gets checked: uncheck it. After the delay timer is at zero the program will try to close the window. Since you are not sitting out at this time, Fulltilt will ask you wether you want to close the table although playing a hand. If you click no, you can continue playing....
I don't have this bug on my machine or for any of my developers; I need your log file to see why this is happening to you. It would be a huge help if you could recreate the bug and send the log for it.

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How about a option that you can choose, that the complete PC can be blocked.
I would like that. If one is on breack and/or tilt, one shouldnt stay sitting at the pc, to get the head free one should rather take a walk around the block etc.....
I'm not really sure how we would do this and it might be a little too extreme. I have plans for the future to provide some media during the Auto-Breaks to keep you productive

thanks,

S!K
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03-17-2011 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Lurker # 1
First, I want to say how absolutely thrilled I am for finding out about this software today! I read this whole thread and you are doing amazing job. I give you standing ovation for effort.

I am 100% buying this and telling everyone I know who plays poker about this.

Now, please please please add "Qualifying Peak". I think it is absolutely necessary and logical.

You are SICK S!K
Glad you find the software useful and thank you for the kind words!

I am definitely adding the "Qualifying Peak" option.

S!K
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03-17-2011 , 08:40 PM
logfile sent

next problem: if I change settings they will not stay like that, if
I reboot pc the old ones will be back....
maybe because of old setting file due to reinstallation?




"Unfortunately I cannot give discounts for feature feedback, because it sets a precedent I don't really want to partake in. Sorry"

makes sense, unfurtunately I cant efford to pay full price, till the software is technically mature
hopefully the next update will come soon

greetings
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03-17-2011 , 11:32 PM
this thing looks hella dope - def trying the free trial if it's still up
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03-18-2011 , 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by corporaldeny
logfile sent

next problem: if I change settings they will not stay like that, if
I reboot pc the old ones will be back....
maybe because of old setting file due to reinstallation?
Thanks for the bug report, I'll look into this.

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"Unfortunately I cannot give discounts for feature feedback, because it sets a precedent I don't really want to partake in. Sorry"

makes sense, unfurtunately I cant efford to pay full price, till the software is technically mature
hopefully the next update will come soon
No worries. Just let me know if your free trial expires before we get the new release out, and I'll gladly extend it; this goes for everyone. I have no problem extending anyone's free trial until they are happy with the final product (to a reasonable extent).

Thanks,
S!K
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03-18-2011 , 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by KidOnTilt
this thing looks hella dope - def trying the free trial if it's still up
Hey Kid,

We are definitely up and running. If anything, we are just getting started!

S!K
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03-19-2011 , 02:56 AM
Does this software have function to prevent me from playing specific limit when I loss something like 20buyins ?

Example: Let's say I have 10k and I want to play NL100 without having to look cashier every day to make sure I don't loss half roll I wanna play without looking at cashier for weeks but if my bankroll drops bellow x$ I want it to stop/notify me so I can move to lower limit etc...

Is this possible ? And if not do you plan to make this function ?
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03-19-2011 , 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Budhud
Does this software have function to prevent me from playing specific limit when I loss something like 20buyins ?

Example: Let's say I have 10k and I want to play NL100 without having to look cashier every day to make sure I don't loss half roll I wanna play without looking at cashier for weeks but if my bankroll drops bellow x$ I want it to stop/notify me so I can move to lower limit etc...

Is this possible ? And if not do you plan to make this function ?
This isn't in place yet, but it should be possible and is definitely planned as an evolution of the Bankroll Manager feature. We have to add tournament support first, which should be done around May-June, so we can track your entire bankroll. Then, ideally, you will put in your bankroll for each poker site once, create a rule for the # of buyins needed to play at a stake level, and then Tilt Breaker will manage your bankroll from there. I also have some other features in mind to add to the Bankroll Manager, but I don't want to announce those just yet

So expect this feature to be in action in Summer 2011.

Thanks for joining the discussion Budhud,

S!K
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03-19-2011 , 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by suic!deking
This isn't in place yet, but it should be possible and is definitely planned as an evolution of the Bankroll Manager feature. We have to add tournament support first, which should be done around May-June, so we can track your entire bankroll. Then, ideally, you will put in your bankroll for each poker site once, create a rule for the # of buyins needed to play at a stake level, and then Tilt Breaker will manage your bankroll from there. I also have some other features in mind to add to the Bankroll Manager, but I don't want to announce those just yet

So expect this feature to be in action in Summer 2011.

Thanks for joining the discussion Budhud,

S!K
Looking forward to the Tournament Support - I'll defo use Tilt Breaker when Tournament Support is up and running - wish it was sooner though
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03-20-2011 , 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by baztalkspoker
Looking forward to the Tournament Support - I'll defo use Tilt Breaker when Tournament Support is up and running - wish it was sooner though
Hey Baz,

Glad to see you're still keeping an eye on TB!

I've been brainstorming on the implementation for tournament support, and have hit a few snags that I am trying to get feedback on.

So the basic concept is that the Stop Loss values for tournament support will work the same way as it does for cash. You set your Stop Loss to $x, and when you reach that amount, TB goes into lockdown. However, there is a major loophole with tournaments. There is no way for TB to "see" how many tournaments you registered for until the tournament actually starts and a Hand History is made. Which means a user can technically just register for as many tournaments as they want right before they are about to hit their stop loss. This doesn't apply to cash because it doesn't matter how many tables you open before a stop loss is hit, once you hit a stop loss all those table are getting auto-closed; however TB won't touch tournaments for obv reasons.

I am trying to figure out a way to prevent that loophole, or at least mitigate the risk, without having to resort to automatically unregistering users from tournaments. Automatically unregistering would be very messy and error prone. My idea so far is to have two Stop Losses for Tournaments by having a Soft and Hard stop loss. Ok, so let's say you set a $200 Soft Stop Loss and a $350 Hard Stop Loss
  • If you lose > $200, you enter a Soft lockdown. Registering functions are blocked, BUT TB will continue to attribute wins/losses to your balance. If you win enough to the point where your win/loss $ is < $250, you will be able to register for tournaments again. No timer would come up when you hit a Soft Lockdown, you will either win enough to get out of it or have to wait out your Session Discriminator time. We'll probably have to put a separate Session Discriminator in place for tournaments.
  • If you end up losing > $400, it will be business as usual with buy-in options blocked until your lockdown time is over. You won't be able to spew register b/c you will already be prevented from doing so during the Soft Stop Loss.

You could still spew register right before the Soft Stop Loss, but the idea here is that you would set the Soft Stop Loss lower than your true stop loss since you still have the ability to win your way out of it, while setting your true stop loss value at the Hard Stop Loss, with the gap between the two mitigating the risk of spew registering.

Make sense to anybody else?

S!K
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03-20-2011 , 03:19 AM
Hi,S!K.Is it possible to use the one table loss funtion at the end of this month?
Thanks!
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03-20-2011 , 04:08 AM
Another question,could you tell me how this one table function looks like?
Is there stoploss$/stoplossBB/stopwin$/stopwinBB,the same as session rules?
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03-20-2011 , 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by tuliplife
Hi,S!K.Is it possible to use the one table loss funtion at the end of this month?
Thanks!
I think we might get there by the end of the month.

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Originally Posted by tuliplife
Another question,could you tell me how this one table function looks like?
Is there stoploss$/stoplossBB/stopwin$/stopwinBB,the same as session rules?
I haven't quite decided how it will look in the Configuration Panel, but I'm leaning towards adding it as another checkbox similar to how Session Start/Session Peak is. The Single Table Stop Loss will be an option available for Stop Loss $/BB and Stop Win $/BB (if not initially then soon after).

S!K
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03-20-2011 , 10:28 AM
Thanks,S!K!
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03-20-2011 , 03:47 PM
Hi SK. I need to think about the Stop loss for tournaments a bit more before I can give you an 'informed response'.

My initial thoughts are that stop loss functionality is not anywhere near as important as it is for cash games. For one swings of losing 10 buy-ins in a row are normal enough and are not necessarily an indication of tilt.

Personally my overriding desire for tilt breaking in regards to tournaments is to set a maximum allowed buy-in. I can't speak for other tournament players but I have a feeling that I might not be alone in thinking this way.

So basically from my point of view at least - don't sweat it too much about stop loss functionality for tournaments.

If you could implement the prevention of buying above your set buy-in limit alone that would be enough for me - maybe then you could have something for us tourney players long before the summer

Anyways keep up the good work!
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03-20-2011 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by baztalkspoker
Hi SK. I need to think about the Stop loss for tournaments a bit more before I can give you an 'informed response'.

My initial thoughts are that stop loss functionality is not anywhere near as important as it is for cash games. For one swings of losing 10 buy-ins in a row are normal enough and are not necessarily an indication of tilt.

Personally my overriding desire for tilt breaking in regards to tournaments is to set a maximum allowed buy-in. I can't speak for other tournament players but I have a feeling that I might not be alone in thinking this way.

So basically from my point of view at least - don't sweat it too much about stop loss functionality for tournaments.

If you could implement the prevention of buying above your set buy-in limit alone that would be enough for me - maybe then you could have something for us tourney players long before the summer

Anyways keep up the good work!
Thanks a ton Baz!

So I assume you play on FTP or Cereus then? Or do you not find Stars tournament buy-in limit effective enough; if not, why?

I think I might know a way to limit your tournament buy-in. I'll take a look after we push out the Single Table Stop Loss (code name: Anti-God mode )

Thanks again for the feedback, much appreciated.

S!K
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03-20-2011 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by suic!deking
Thanks a ton Baz!

So I assume you play on FTP or Cereus then? Or do you not find Stars tournament buy-in limit effective enough; if not, why?

I think I might know a way to limit your tournament buy-in. I'll take a look after we push out the Single Table Stop Loss (code name: Anti-God mode )

Thanks again for the feedback, much appreciated.

S!K
Yes you assume correctly. I play about 80% of my poker on FT. The rest is split between a few other sites, mostly iPoker and Party. I didn't realise Stars had implemented a buy-in limit for tournaments - not that that would make me return there again!

Anyway be great if you could implement a tournament buy-in limit in the near future. Look forward to it.
cheers,
Baz.
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03-21-2011 , 07:04 PM
Any possible way to add the following:

Preventing the opening of certain applications while in a session; chrome, skype, etc....
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03-21-2011 , 11:19 PM
Thank you so much for this awesome program!!! My best day is plus about $500, my worst is -$950 and I've probably had 8 other days where I lost between 500 and 950. Tilt is a massive problem for me, hopefully using this program for a while and getting used to quitting when I'm getting pummeled and am upset will help me develop my own self discipline and in the meantime keep me from having days where I lose a large portion of my bankroll. If I'd have known this existed a year ago I'd easily being more than 15k richer, hell if I knew about it this morning I'd have lost 400 less.

Seriously can't thank you enough!
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03-22-2011 , 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by steel108
Any possible way to add the following:

Preventing the opening of certain applications while in a session; chrome, skype, etc....
Hey Steel,

This should be pretty doable. My only qualm with adding this feature is that I really wouldn't want to expend a ton of resources continuously working on the bypass security for this. I have no problem putting out a basic version of this though.....

Glad to have you back,

S!K
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