Hey guys,

I'm excited to say that we've put up our own TableNinjaFT forums.

We're hoping that this will provide a knowledge database with guides and tips for the best ways to use TableNinjaFT as well as solutions and troubleshooting tips for a lot of common problems. We'll be able to create separate threads for all sorts of common questions rather than having things buried in pages of posts, which should make it far easier for everyone to find answers to their questions. I strongly encourage any new users with questions to take a look at our forums and we'd love it if some of you TableNinjaFT experts would be willing to share you wisdom with a post or two

We really value the insight that the two plus two community has to offer and I will still be reading our two plus two thread every day. This thread is still a great place to discuss the program, brainstorm new features, etc so feel free to keep posting here as usual with feedback, and suggestions, but if you have questions or need help with the program we strongly suggest looking for answers on the TableNinjaFT forums.

You can visit the new forums here: http://tnforums.tableninja.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3

Let me know what you think,

Thanks!

Tarath

For some reason the prob solved itself, without me knowing why, so cant put up any guide on this.

If im playing cash tables on both tilt and stars, will it auto press time button on tilt no matter if im in a stars window or browsing the internet?

The TableNinja for Stars timebank clicker is very simple and will click timebanks on stars no matter what you're doing.

The TableNinjaFT for Full Tilt time bank clicking is very complex and the short answer to this is that it will not always click timebanks when you are using other applications. Anytime TableNinjaFT can click the timebanks without disrupting what you're doing it will. In some cases, clicking time banks would interrupt your actions on other tables. In this case you can set TableNinjaFT to play a sound notifying you that there are time banks that need to be clicked. You then can press the "Click Timebanks" hotkey or the "Cycle to first in line" hotkey and all timebanks at all your Full Tilt tables will instantly be clicked.

Some users have setups where hotkeys are almost always clicked automatically. Other users end up needing to use the timebank hotkey frequently.

Hopefully this is clear,

Thanks

Tarath

thanks for responding so quickly tarath.

follow up question: if say, im playing tables on both stars and tilt, and also browsing the web, then my tilt tables wont automatically be timebanked so i will hear i noise, but i am in my web browser, can i click the hotkey that would enable the timebanks or would i have to click on the fulltilt lobby first or something? can i user the hotkey while in my web browser or on stars is the question

If you use the "Cycle to first in line table" hotkey in TNFT that will click all time banks and it will work even if you are in your web browser or in Stars.

The way things are currently the Click time banks hotkey is actually turned off when you are in other applications and you would have to click a Full Tilt table first. The cycle to first in line hotkey is always on and it does everything the "Click time banks" hotkey does and also brings up the next table in line. So you should be able to use the "Cycle to first in line table" hotkey while browsing the web or in Stars and do exactly what you want.

Tarath

tables were cycling like crazy on ftp every few minutes (stacking, using winxp). It just stopped when i disabled the time bank options of tableninjaft =/

Sorry you're having problems.

Do you have chat detached? It turned out that was the issue for at least 2 of the others with this problem. They also all had XP so there may be some unresolved XP issues also.

If you did have chat detached try reattaching it and see if that helps.

Tarath

I'm glad its working at least

If you figure out the cause of the problem in the future please let me know so that I can hopefully prevent this from happening to anyone else.

Thanks!

Tarath

Thanks for this great piece of software!
I'm using tableninjaFT in combination with joytokey to multitable using a logitech joypad, it's so much more comfortable playing this way.
Haven't had any problems yet.

Thanks for the positive feedback, and I'm really glad you like the program

Tarath

I probably have missed it and I apologize but how do I have it set so I can c/f before it's my turn as well as c/f when is it my turn with the same mouse button (XButton1)? I have it so I can c/f before it's my turn but it won't let me add for to the "Left Button (check/fold)".

Thanks! I love the program so far.

no, unfortunatelly chat is attached (std ftp chat/table) =/

im using tnft for the action hotkeys and preset bets, just can't use the time bank options (although im not missing much as im not using vista w/ aero)

If you use the "Table Under Mouse" Table Control mode and your Table Layout is set to NoOverlap, the AA Check/Fold hotkey will automatically also click the left button on your turn. The same is true if you are using the "Manually Cycled/Clicked" Table Control Mode.

We disable this behavior when you are in the "Table in Foreground" mode or when you are stacking/cascading/overlapping to avoid potential misclicks.

The basic issue is the following. We used to have the AA Check/Fold click the check or fold buttons if they appeared and the check/fold checkbox if they did not. The problem is that in the "Table in Foreground" method if you hit the AA check/fold hotkey at one table right as a second table suddenly needed action, Full Tilt would put the second table into the foreground and you would accidentally fold at that table. Obviously accidentally folding a big hand is a huge problem so we made all the advanced action hotkeys not work on your turn under the Table In Foreground method.

Hopefully this makes sense.

Hmm, I definitely want to get this issue figured out. I solved one similar crazy issue today where on Vista having a detached windows sidebar caused a problem a bit like this one so I am really hoping that if I can get this XP problem locked down we'll have all the major issues people are having worked out.

Can you think of anything unusual or unique about your system/setup. Are you running any programs or is there anything on your machine that might be uncommon?

I know these are vague questions, but in my experience, usually with these issues that only affect 1-2% of people we just have to identify what is unique about those peoples systems and then the solution becomes obvious. Anything you can do to help me pinpoint the cause of this would be greatly appreciated

Thanks

Tarath

Ok so I tested using the all-in button as you suggested and rediscovered the issue we ran into before (I had forgotten exactly what is was). Its not a insurmountable problem by any means, but it is a bit annoying and would actually take more work than you might think to overcome.

When you have more than a potsized bet left in your stack everything would work flawlessly using the code for the "All-In" button as you suggested.

At NL games TableNinjaFT will detect if you have less than a pot sized bet left and just shove.

At PL games we cannot easily differentiate between the Pot button and the Max Button (which appears when you have less than a pot sized bet left). This will cause some unfortunate behavior when you have less than a potsized bet left in your stack. For example, if a pot sized bet was 50$ and you have 25 behind on the river and your river bet % was set to 50, TableNinja would not be aware that it was clicking the max button and not the pot button. Because of this rather than betting all 25$ it would click the max button, get 25, take 50% of that and bet 12.50$.

At NL we handle the case where the pot button turns into the max button and you can see when this happens TableNinjaFT will frame the Max button in red to notify you and your bet will be sized correctly as a shove.

At PL everything would work perfectly if we just used the same code for pot sized bets as we use for the All-in button except in the case where you have less than a potsized bet. In this case using that code would result in some unfortunately situations where rather than shoving you bet a % of your remaining chips.

This issue could be over come but it would require reading the FT buttons to handle a specific situation that we do not handle now and making this work at all table sizes might actually be a fair bit of work. If/when we decide to offer a commercial version this is definitely something we will do but it is not something we can just insert in a few hours right now.

Hopefully I explained this issue clearly.

Tarath

I use a layout configured and saved thru the FTP client. There is no overlap and I use "control table under mouse" feature. I have not tried using the "nooverlap" feature but will it still allow me to configure my layout as long as there is no overlap. I would like to use this feature to be able to fold with one button and my current layout has no overlap. 8 Tables tiled over 2 screens.

It will still allow you to arrange your tables however you like. It is just a setting in TableNinja to provide TableNinja with information about how you play, it will not force you to arrange your tables in a particular way or anything like that.

With the setup you're describing just setting TableNinja to NoOverlap should work perfectly and it will not disrupt your current layout in anyway.

Thanks,

Tarath

Awesome. Will try out when I get home.

I was also wondering about this setting. What's happening under the hood when I change between Stacked, Overlap and No Overlap?

i.e I start off by opening 16 SNGs and arranging them stacked. Once I get down to 9 tables I change my layout to tiled with big overlap and once I get to 4 tables I tile them without overlap.
What would be the best setting in Ninja for this scenario? And, if you don't mind explaining, why?

Hi Tarath,

thanks for TNFT!

I was playing a rebuy tourney today and after I donked off my chips during the rebuy phase the rebuy prompt would autoclose. This never happened to me before, the only difference I can think of is that now I run TNFT.

I don't see any autoclose features in the program, but maybe you programmed some in and forgot to disable them?

Do you need some logfiles to analyze this?

Regards
Palsh

This has been a reasonably common question and I wrote I long detailed answer to it. I didn't want the answer to get buried in this thread so I put it on our new TableNinjaFT forums here: http://tnforums.tableninja.com/showthread.php?p=73#post73.

Hopefully that makes things clear. Whats actually done with these settings under the hood is quite complex but I think that post should give you a feel for what the Table Layout setting does.

This is quite strange because TableNinjaFT never looks for popups or closes them or even pays attention to them. We've never added any popup handling even in our internal test versions so I don't think theres any chance we forgot to turn something off.

My guess is that you are using the Table Under Mouse mode and the popup got placed behind your table when you tried to mouse over it. It was never closed but your table jumped on top of it and you couldn't see it.

Does this seem possible?

Thanks

Tarath

Unfortunately it doesn't. My Table Layout setting is "Overlapping". But I take your word that your software probably isn't the problem. I'll check again with and without TableNinjaFT running, but it might take me some days.

Thanks again!

Hmm I guess joined a rebuy tournament and turned off the auto-rebuy option which I probably had on most of the times I was testing the program before and something weird definitely happened with the popup so I think you are on to something and that there is a problem. I have no idea how it could have occurred but it seems there is a bug.

I will investigate this further.

Thanks for the bug report, I appreciate it and sorry for doubting you :P

Tarath

Is this scan code 237, or something else?

Never mind, apparently resolved.

Hey tarath,

How's it looking for TN going into major development.

Once it does I'll gladly make a donation/purchase.