Hey guys,

We are working on potential fixes for the lag problems some of you have had, and I was wondering if anyone whose had lag with version 1.0.115.0 and has had to revert to version 1.0.93.0 would be willing to join our early testing group and try out some of the potential fixes we are working on as soon as they are ready.

If anyone is interested in volunteering please PM me with your email and I will add you to our pre-beta list.

Thanks!

Tarath

Excuse my stars noobness, but is there a way to have the next table needing action only pop up after you've acted on the current? Sometimes a table needing action gets stuck behind my stack and I'm waiting for my action on the current. I'm using table in foreground fwiw.

Try Options -> Advanced Multi-Table Options, and then check the box that says "Popup table whenever user action is required".

had that already

This is what I would have recommended. Beyond that I'm not sure what you can do. The stars, popping up is not perfect. You can use the Cycle to first in line hotkey to alleviate the problem you are having somewhat but thats about it.

If you can give me an exact detailed description of something TableNinja could do that would fix your problem I could definitely look into it.

Thanks,

Tarath

The point of having mouse jump with bring target table to foreground is that Advanced actions ARE NOT REQUIRED. This negates that problem, you could even set an option to disble aa keys when MJ & TT to foreground is activated.
I have this exact system set up with AHK at ongame and it works a treat, I easilly 15 table sng's with this setup.

I've been using the betpot AHK for a while and really like it but need help managing annoyances.

OK, you've got the "auto sit" thing down. Nice. What I can't seem to get Ninja to do is automatically check "wait for big blind" then select "auto-post blinds" once the BB comes to me. I.e. I don't want to have to click anything when I sit down until I have a bet decision.

Also, hitting the "fold" key does not seem to check the "fold" checkbox when it is not my turn (AHK betpot does this and I'm somewhat used to it).

Lastly, I'm used to the mouse betting functions of AHK. I'm not sure I can pay money for something that requires this much change in habits. I mean this as no criticism of TableNinja -- it looks very nice.

If you really want to expand market share (you may not -- perhaps you just want to make something useful for yourself and then earn some $$ from other people who like it) you should make an BetPot AHK compatibility mode that gives an identical betting UI. Heck, the BetPot mouse clicks are so engrained in my subconscious I have trouble remembering what they are when I consciously think about them.

BetPot lets each key/mouse have "per street" actions. I have my most common bet size formulas on mouse buttons (this just choses the bet size, it doesn't bet) and bet/call/check/fold on function keys.

Also, on a normal speed table if I hit the "sit out next BB" hot key, Ninja should not only uncheck "auto-post blinds" it should click the "sit out" button when the BB finally gets around to me.

Lastly, Can I use Table Ninja at .01/.02 indefinitely? I'd like to see if I can make it work for me but it looks like that evaulation will take some time. I really would rather pay someone a little $$ rather than have to deal with 2-4 different AHKs but the $$ solution has to do enough of what I want...

more noob beta/trial comments:

• (repeating myself) let me bind bet sizes to mouse buttons (like BetPot AHK)
• give me an arbitrary number of "bet pot percentage hotkeys"

Also, is there a way to bypass the "do you really want to leave" popup?

I would love to be able to control all betting action via the keyboard. That is, if I am not opening/waiting on new tables in the lobby then I can control all action with the keyboard. What mouse/focus settings would be appropriate for this?

I've discovered, am using, and really like the Check/Fold and "Fold to any" hot keys.

For open/close tables, it would be nice if you had an option to automatically sit if there was only 1 open/reserved seat and to let me chose the seat when there are choices.

If I can get a good setup for driving all game action (i.e. not waitlisting and table selection) via the keyboard I am totally buying Ninja!

Idea for AA hotkeys + 'Table in Foreground'

Let us use these together but give us the option of not taking the action if

• we have not taken an action on the previous active table and pokerstars has just put a new table on top
• the AA hotkey was hit within <user programmable time limit> of PokerStars moving the focus to another table

In the case of Ninja not applying the AA hotkey, it could play a user configurable sound to indicate that the "safety" kept the action from occurring.

This should protect us from hitting an auto hot key just after PokerStars changes the window focus.

Hey, I'm going to reply to all your posts at once as best I can.

First off, I think maybe you are confused about how our mouse hotkey interface works. You can assign any mouse button or combination of mouse buttons (Like Xbutton1 + Right Click) to any hotkey you like. You asked if you can"(repeating myself) let me bind bet sizes to mouse buttons (like BetPot AHK)". Just go to a Pot-betting or Fixed bet hotkey, set the amount you desire, click in the text-field and hit the mouse button you want to make a hotkey and it is assigned. Its as easy as that. If I am misunderstanding this request let me know.

Second, a lot of what you use the bet-the-pot UI for TableNinja can be configured to do automatically without you ever hitting a hotkey. Our pot scraping algorithm is much much faster than the Bet-the-Pot algorithm so we can do a lot more things.

For example, the default bets on the pot-betting tab will automatically enter street-dependant amounts into the bet box on your turn, just as binding a % amount to a mouse button that varies based on the street would, except TableNinja does it without you ever hitting a button. Then you can just hit the bet hotkey to bet that amount.

Hitting the fold hotkey does not check the fold check-box to protect you from the case where the table in focus switches suddenly because it becomes your turn at an alternate table. If you are not using the "Table In Foreground" control method you can use the AA Check/Fold hotkey which will also check the AA checkbox when it is not your turn AND click the buttons (check or fold) on your turn.

You can indeed use TableNinja at microstakes indefinitely. Even when we release a commericial version, there will be a free trial that will always work at microstakes.

An option to bypass the do you really want to leave pop-up should be in the next update.

We could probably add more bet-pot percent hotkeys. However if you combine the bet-percent hotkeys, and the default bets, you have a lot of options and you can use the scroll wheel to fine tune things. You're the first person whose told me they felt they didn't have enough options so I am a bit surprised but its something we could do.

To do everything by keyboard I would use the Table In Foreground control method, set up the "Cycle to first in line" hotkey and then assign action and betting hotkeys as you like.

We will be adding open waitlist/join table hotkeys hopefully in the next update.

I hope this answers everything, let me know if I missed anything.

thanks

Tarath

PS. I think if you spend a little more time getting used to the program you will really start to love it. When you've been using other scripts for years it can be a bit of an adjustment but I think you'll find its worth it

This is something we've started looking together and may be managable. Its definitely a good idea.

Tarath

Well i gave it a try but had 2 game breaker issues.

First once i got passed 10 tables it started bogging my computer down, by the time i got 15 open it was downright unplayable. I thought it was supposed to be faster then using AHKs, it's clearly not.

Secondly twice i had it screw up on me and it blocked me from putting any input into the tables, even though the tables were selected and active i was unable to click any buttons or vary the bet amount. Nor could i close table ninja, i had to terminate the process to free up my tables, unfortunately by the time I figured out what the hell was going on and terminated it, i had timed out and missed a few hands.

Good effort, but at this point this is a fail from me.

Thanks I tried something like that and saw the middle and right buttons show up but not the left button. I'm sure I can figure this out or make it work. I mostly use the right button for betting.

Excellent! I play 25NL normally but I always pop down to 2NL to test new software. It is nice not to be constrained by calendar time (e.g. 7 day trial) to make up my mind.

Excellent.

While I use only a few bet sizes 90% of the time, I do have 1/4, 1/3, 1/2, 2/3, 3/4 and 1x bound to keys in BetPot AHK. the smaller bets are infrequently used but 1/4 or 1/3 are nice suck bets, depending on the opponent.

As you say, I can probably learn to use what is there but there is no reason not to have a cornucopia of bet sizes available to be bound.

Thanks for your time. I thought I had mentioned "wait for big blind, auto post blind". In short, I want normal tables to have the same semantics as fast tables. I'm working from memory now but I thought Ninja was automatically checking "wait for big blind" (as I had configured) but not enabling "auto-post blind" once the BB had reached me.

I tinkered with Ninja for a bit more after my previous post and I'm starting to get hooked.

Oh, one last thing (perhaps I'll find this in the FAQ when I look at it again): I selected "cascade tables" but new tables are not being cascaded.

Keep up the good work!

Thanks for giving things a try and sorry you had problems.

We introduced a bug in the newest version which seems to cause lag for about 5%-10% of our users. The old version should be lag free for everyone and is available on our website. I copied the link here for it if you'd like to try it out.

Just uninstall the current version, and run the installer from this link and ignore all the update notifications. http://tableninja.com/TableNinja_1.0.93.0.zip

The second bug you described has only ever been reported by 1 user and we had given up trying to fix it. We would love to get some information from you on your machine. Its possible that if we could compare your set-up to his we can find the common link and get this bug fixed. As I said its only happening on a very small number of machines so its likely a conflict between TableNinja and some other program.

If you would be willing to discuss this with me over email and help me get things working on your system I'd really appreciate it. Just send me an email at support@alxsoftware.com and I will definitely do everything I can to get things working.

Thanks again

Tarath

The standard operating procedure for difficult PokerTracker3 bugs is they tell you "turn on debug logging, reproduce the bug, then send us the log". Do you have debug logging? If not, you might add it...

We have a verbose output option that is similar to debug logging. Its located in the help menu. It can slow things down a fair amount so we generally like to look at the standard log file first so we have a better sense of the source of the problem.

Tarath

We are working on adding something to automatically handle wait for big blind at normal tables. It may not make it into the next update but it should be in pretty soon.

TableNinja currently does not layout your tables for you. This is a feature set that we are putting off till later. The "Cascade" setting is actually just to tell TableNinja how your tables are arranged so that we know whether to be reading the screen at all your tables simultaneously (if they are tiled and all visible) or to only read the screen at tables that are on top (if they are covering each other,

Also you cannot assing left click to a hotkey to avoid confusion for new users (ie you left click the bet button but left click is assigned to fold and TableNinja folds for you).

Thanks again for all the feedback,

Tarath

I didn't read all the post in this thread...so..excuse me if this has been covered, but I would love to have access to this


Automatic add more chips option(if one wanted to keep max amount of chips on table at all times)


and if possible, a fix for the Black Theme tables


thanks guy
this product is GREAT AS IS!!!!

Hi,

I would recommend that you use the Stars built in auto-rebuy feature. They added it a few months ago so you might just not be familiar with it

If you go to "Options" in the stars lobby and select "Auto Rebuy (Real money Ring games)..." from the drop down menu it will bring up a window that lets you completely customize automatic rebuy setttings.

For instance if you select the "If I fall under 100 big blinds" option you can keep your stack topped off at all times.

I think for this the built in Stars feature is very very good and I'm not sure there is much that we could do to improve on it but if you have ideas let me know.

Thanks

Tarath

Hey guys,

We just got a report from one user with lag problems that adding 10 bucks of RAM (1GB) completely solved her lag problems.

This helps us as we now know to focus on reducing our RAM usage, and we're hoping to provide options that reduce the RAM usage in the next update.

For those of looking for a quick speed boost some extra RAM is a very cheap easy way to speed up your entire computer so thats an option also. However, we certainly don't expect anyone to get more RAM just for TableNinja and will keep working hard to reduce the RAM usage in the next update.

Thanks,

Tarath

Tarath.

Im not sure its a RAM problem, as Im sure that people with very similar specs, if not worse than the systems I have tested it on do not have lag.

I have a quad core with 4 gigs.....surely thats enough juice to run this program...., have also tried it on a duo core 2 gigs and of course my old beater the xp1800 with 1 gig...

Perhaps those ppl experiencing problems can list their system specs......

Pehnom X4 9500
4 gigs PC 4300 (ya kinda slow i know)
160gig WD Hd..
Builtin video card
Windows XP...

XP can only read 3Gigs fwiw, thus rendering your extra G useless.

I have XP on one of my machines reading a full 8 Gig. x64 of course!

When do you guys expect the next update to come out?

could it be videocard dependent? I have lag to. Even with 4 tabels open. My mouse will then be very shaky and moves with steps and is uneasy to control.

My specs:

Intel Pentium IV 3.0 GHz
MOBO: MSI 7101
2 GB ram (2x 1GB Corsair DDR400 PC3200)
160 GB Maxtor HD
NVIDIA Geforce 6200 Lite (AGP)
2x LG widescreen 19" 1440x900
Creative LAbs SB live

XP pro lite SP3
pokertracker 3