[TABLE MANAGER] StackAndTile
08-29-2010
, 11:49 PM
first, try without other hotkey programs. we need to eliminate if they are causing conflicts or not.
fold: simply folds the table (one hotkey for all sites
)
fold+stack: folds and then moves table to stack
stack: moves table to stack
if you are "Never" moving out of stack, then yes, "fold" alone would be enough during play. however, youll still need some type of "stack" hotkey, see below:
if the tables are always counted as New Tables, its because you haven't initially moved them into the stack. when you press Start, SaT will label each table as 'New' until you do something with it. i dont know what version of SaT you are using, but the latest v.12 will move New Tables into grid initially, so they will autmatically be labelled 'tiled'. if you have New Tables set to go to a slot, then they will be labelled 'New' until you move them (i think this is true even if NewTablesSlot=StackSlot). so whatever the case, you'll need to stack them initially so SaT thinks they are in the 'stack'. this could potentially be your problem..
(and similarly, if you open new tables during play, or accept a table from a waiting list, etc, when that table pops up, it should be labelled as 'New' as well, and youll want to make sure that you send a 'stack' hotkey to it as well, whenever you're seated and ready
fold: simply folds the table (one hotkey for all sites
)fold+stack: folds and then moves table to stack
stack: moves table to stack
if you are "Never" moving out of stack, then yes, "fold" alone would be enough during play. however, youll still need some type of "stack" hotkey, see below:
if the tables are always counted as New Tables, its because you haven't initially moved them into the stack. when you press Start, SaT will label each table as 'New' until you do something with it. i dont know what version of SaT you are using, but the latest v.12 will move New Tables into grid initially, so they will autmatically be labelled 'tiled'. if you have New Tables set to go to a slot, then they will be labelled 'New' until you move them (i think this is true even if NewTablesSlot=StackSlot). so whatever the case, you'll need to stack them initially so SaT thinks they are in the 'stack'. this could potentially be your problem..
(and similarly, if you open new tables during play, or accept a table from a waiting list, etc, when that table pops up, it should be labelled as 'New' as well, and youll want to make sure that you send a 'stack' hotkey to it as well, whenever you're seated and ready
08-30-2010
, 12:45 AM
SaT should handle all of this for you easily. i will walk you through set up
open a table to the size you want it, then click Setup Grid. then click Configure Grid to see what your grid will look like. add (+) or remove (-) as many slots as you need. for example, if you want a layout with topright, bottomleft/right etc like so:
1|2
----
3|4
then use the +/- buttons with Configure Grid. keep in mind that SaT does not allow different size slots.
since you only want to move tables out of the stack and into slots 2,3,4 manually (you say you used to just drag them), then you'll use Tile Setting "Never" in SaT. you can use Stack Slot = 1. you'll have to decide how you want to handle New Tables, you can click the link in the program to read about them. basically when you press Start, every table is deemed 'New', and when you open new games mid play, that table is deemed 'New' as well, until you send it to either stack or grid
then you can set up hotkeys in SaT, youll need a "stack" table hotkey to move tables to the stack (initially none will be in the stack when you press Start). you'll also want a "manual move to grid" hotkey, that way you dont have to drag each table over, you can just send the hotkey to move it, and then send the stack hotkey to move it back
then you'll need to Include Site for both stars and ftp. follow the directions here for when the fold button is visible
keep clicking save after each thing you change just to be safe.
youll need to configure stars and ftp as described on this page:
http://stackandtile.com/sat/node/11
you should be good to go. this program was designed for a few specific purposes and yours is one. obviously test on play money first. some people ran into problems mega tabling, so if you want to do some tests with 30-40 tables i'd be interested in seeing how it goes. i hope SaT can keep up
and i'm sure there are scripts to auto-sit-back-in for stars and ftp if its a problem
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Hi guys, so i grind on my laptop which has 1280x800 reso.. i normally play just stars but would like to see if this program can help me to grind on FTP also..
my layout is a main stack on the top left corner with tables resized to be exactly halthe screens width, and so i drag important tables over to the top right, and sometimes to the bottom left or right even though the top ones will overlap the bottom ones a bit..
my layout is a main stack on the top left corner with tables resized to be exactly halthe screens width, and so i drag important tables over to the top right, and sometimes to the bottom left or right even though the top ones will overlap the bottom ones a bit..
1|2
----
3|4
then use the +/- buttons with Configure Grid. keep in mind that SaT does not allow different size slots.
since you only want to move tables out of the stack and into slots 2,3,4 manually (you say you used to just drag them), then you'll use Tile Setting "Never" in SaT. you can use Stack Slot = 1. you'll have to decide how you want to handle New Tables, you can click the link in the program to read about them. basically when you press Start, every table is deemed 'New', and when you open new games mid play, that table is deemed 'New' as well, until you send it to either stack or grid
then you can set up hotkeys in SaT, youll need a "stack" table hotkey to move tables to the stack (initially none will be in the stack when you press Start). you'll also want a "manual move to grid" hotkey, that way you dont have to drag each table over, you can just send the hotkey to move it, and then send the stack hotkey to move it back
then you'll need to Include Site for both stars and ftp. follow the directions here for when the fold button is visible
keep clicking save after each thing you change just to be safe.
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I need them in the same stack, and i need to trust that they all pop up in order to avoid timing out, sitting out tables.. so can this program maybe help me out?
so i guess what im asking is if this program will be able to keep both stars and ftp all in one stack and have them pop up in order, whilst running tableninja and HEM
so i guess what im asking is if this program will be able to keep both stars and ftp all in one stack and have them pop up in order, whilst running tableninja and HEM
http://stackandtile.com/sat/node/11
you should be good to go. this program was designed for a few specific purposes and yours is one. obviously test on play money first. some people ran into problems mega tabling, so if you want to do some tests with 30-40 tables i'd be interested in seeing how it goes. i hope SaT can keep up
and i'm sure there are scripts to auto-sit-back-in for stars and ftp if its a problem
08-30-2010
, 03:12 AM
Greg thanks a ton for that helpful post, i think i have just one question about the including client thing, it says "pokerstars classic" does it matter if im using the hypersimple themes? i played with SaT a bit earlier and didnt quite understand everthing until now it hink.. I'm going to definitely have to try this out this week, will report back.
08-30-2010
, 03:17 AM
Quote:
Greg thanks a ton for that helpful post, i think i have just one question about the including client thing, it says "pokerstars classic" does it matter if im using the hypersimple themes? i played with SaT a bit earlier and didnt quite understand everthing until now it hink.. I'm going to definitely have to try this out this week, will report back.
08-30-2010
, 03:20 AM
08-30-2010
, 06:28 AM
-Sigh, you have no idea how many hours I spent on that 
-Thankyou for having the tables resize into the new Tables Slot before I sit down. New Tables now do not cover up the action. The Replayer issue is not a problem for me but a good thing as the replayer moves to the new Tables slot which is usually empty, rather than appearing somewhere over another table and blocking the action.
-Tables are still sporadically coming straight back out of the stack after I make a decision with the "pass through" keys - sometimes back into the same slot sometimes into another. I thought there might be some rhyme or reason I could figure out -such as it only happening when I am last to act - but I couldn't find a cause.
Feature suggestions
1. A "stack all" key would be good - I have to stop start SaT currently to do this when there are tables everywhere & I want a fresh grid, on the occasions I DO want to leave tables in the grid. Otherwise I have to wave my mouse around like a wand and stack tables individually. I Stop and Restart SaT to put the tables into the New Tables Slot then hold down the Stack Table key until they all move to the Stack. Quite an art at the moment.
Don't know if this would be a useful feature for many players.
2. At the moment I am using pass through keys so that when I bet using a StarsCash key the table will return to the stack. As I have mentioned before, this is because if the table stays in the grid the grid can get full quickly as some players take a long time to act, especially in multiway pots. If I don't stack the table after every decision my grid can sometimes look something like this on 2 monitors (e=Empty Slot):
1|2|3
------
e|e|6
------
7|e|9
10|e |16
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e |14|NEWTABLES
----------
12|e |STACK
Is it possible to have the tables automatically move up in the list when a slot becomes free? For example if I have 4 tables in the grid and i fold the tables in slots 1, 2 & 3, then the table in slot 4 will move into slot 1, Then I can know the tables "higher up" in the grid are "older" tables (with more money in the pot - hence more important decisions) & also so theat the tables are closer together & not all over my monitors?
OR, have a grid of 6 tables + a New Tables Slot & a slot for the Stack, and where 6 slots are always full but with the tables constantly being replaced. For example, I have 18 tables in the stack & 6 in the grid. When I fold a hand that table stays in its slot until a fresh table requires action and leaves the Stack and replaces the folded table. If there are no folded tables in the 6 slot grid then the table acted on last will be sent back into the stack upon being replaced by the next table in the stack needing action, and so on ad infinitum until I attain Supernove Elite.
-Thankyou for having the tables resize into the new Tables Slot before I sit down. New Tables now do not cover up the action. The Replayer issue is not a problem for me but a good thing as the replayer moves to the new Tables slot which is usually empty, rather than appearing somewhere over another table and blocking the action.
-Tables are still sporadically coming straight back out of the stack after I make a decision with the "pass through" keys - sometimes back into the same slot sometimes into another. I thought there might be some rhyme or reason I could figure out -such as it only happening when I am last to act - but I couldn't find a cause.
Feature suggestions
1. A "stack all" key would be good - I have to stop start SaT currently to do this when there are tables everywhere & I want a fresh grid, on the occasions I DO want to leave tables in the grid. Otherwise I have to wave my mouse around like a wand and stack tables individually. I Stop and Restart SaT to put the tables into the New Tables Slot then hold down the Stack Table key until they all move to the Stack. Quite an art at the moment.
Don't know if this would be a useful feature for many players.
2. At the moment I am using pass through keys so that when I bet using a StarsCash key the table will return to the stack. As I have mentioned before, this is because if the table stays in the grid the grid can get full quickly as some players take a long time to act, especially in multiway pots. If I don't stack the table after every decision my grid can sometimes look something like this on 2 monitors (e=Empty Slot):
1|2|3
------
e|e|6
------
7|e|9
10|e |16
----------
e |14|NEWTABLES
----------
12|e |STACK
Is it possible to have the tables automatically move up in the list when a slot becomes free? For example if I have 4 tables in the grid and i fold the tables in slots 1, 2 & 3, then the table in slot 4 will move into slot 1, Then I can know the tables "higher up" in the grid are "older" tables (with more money in the pot - hence more important decisions) & also so theat the tables are closer together & not all over my monitors?
OR, have a grid of 6 tables + a New Tables Slot & a slot for the Stack, and where 6 slots are always full but with the tables constantly being replaced. For example, I have 18 tables in the stack & 6 in the grid. When I fold a hand that table stays in its slot until a fresh table requires action and leaves the Stack and replaces the folded table. If there are no folded tables in the 6 slot grid then the table acted on last will be sent back into the stack upon being replaced by the next table in the stack needing action, and so on ad infinitum until I attain Supernove Elite.
08-30-2010
, 12:23 PM
i spent an hour just searching the web for a free icon heh
i think i know the problem. remember in 1.99.10 the fold+restack hotkey was doing this too. i fixed it, but the fix wasnt incorporated into 'stack only' hotkeys.
good idea
will save your post, these are def lower priority and will take some work
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-Tables are still sporadically coming straight back out of the stack after I make a decision with the "pass through" keys - sometimes back into the same slot sometimes into another. I thought there might be some rhyme or reason I could figure out -such as it only happening when I am last to act - but I couldn't find a cause.
-Tables are still sporadically coming straight back out of the stack after I make a decision with the "pass through" keys - sometimes back into the same slot sometimes into another. I thought there might be some rhyme or reason I could figure out -such as it only happening when I am last to act - but I couldn't find a cause.
Quote:
Feature suggestions
1. A "stack all" key would be good - I have to stop start SaT currently to do this when there are tables everywhere & I want a fresh grid, on the occasions I DO want to leave tables in the grid. Otherwise I have to wave my mouse around like a wand and stack tables individually. I Stop and Restart SaT to put the tables into the New Tables Slot then hold down the Stack Table key until they all move to the Stack. Quite an art at the moment.
Don't know if this would be a useful feature for many players.
1. A "stack all" key would be good - I have to stop start SaT currently to do this when there are tables everywhere & I want a fresh grid, on the occasions I DO want to leave tables in the grid. Otherwise I have to wave my mouse around like a wand and stack tables individually. I Stop and Restart SaT to put the tables into the New Tables Slot then hold down the Stack Table key until they all move to the Stack. Quite an art at the moment.
Don't know if this would be a useful feature for many players.
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2.
Is it possible to have the tables automatically move up in the list when a slot becomes free? For example if I have 4 tables in the grid and i fold the tables in slots 1, 2 & 3, then the table in slot 4 will move into slot 1, Then I can know the tables "higher up" in the grid are "older" tables (with more money in the pot - hence more important decisions) & also so theat the tables are closer together & not all over my monitors?
OR, have a grid of 6 tables + a New Tables Slot & a slot for the Stack, and where 6 slots are always full but with the tables constantly being replaced. For example, I have 18 tables in the stack & 6 in the grid. When I fold a hand that table stays in its slot until a fresh table requires action and leaves the Stack and replaces the folded table. If there are no folded tables in the 6 slot grid then the table acted on last will be sent back into the stack upon being replaced by the next table in the stack needing action, and so on ad infinitum until I attain Supernove Elite.
Is it possible to have the tables automatically move up in the list when a slot becomes free? For example if I have 4 tables in the grid and i fold the tables in slots 1, 2 & 3, then the table in slot 4 will move into slot 1, Then I can know the tables "higher up" in the grid are "older" tables (with more money in the pot - hence more important decisions) & also so theat the tables are closer together & not all over my monitors?
OR, have a grid of 6 tables + a New Tables Slot & a slot for the Stack, and where 6 slots are always full but with the tables constantly being replaced. For example, I have 18 tables in the stack & 6 in the grid. When I fold a hand that table stays in its slot until a fresh table requires action and leaves the Stack and replaces the folded table. If there are no folded tables in the 6 slot grid then the table acted on last will be sent back into the stack upon being replaced by the next table in the stack needing action, and so on ad infinitum until I attain Supernove Elite.
08-30-2010
, 02:47 PM
08-30-2010
, 02:50 PM
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ok not sure if this program can do this, but what i want is to have all tables in one stack across multiple sites
when action is required that table pops up, in the stack does not move to a new location
a new site does not steal focus when action is required, but will pop as normal once action is completed on said table
i cant seem to get this to work for me, i can get no new focus stealing by a new site by turning off the options in stars and FTP for table pop up but i cant seem to get SaT to then bring the table that requires action to the fore
when action is required that table pops up, in the stack does not move to a new location
a new site does not steal focus when action is required, but will pop as normal once action is completed on said table
i cant seem to get this to work for me, i can get no new focus stealing by a new site by turning off the options in stars and FTP for table pop up but i cant seem to get SaT to then bring the table that requires action to the fore
you need to make sure during Include Site setup, that you have correctly pressed F10 when it said to do it, when Fold button is visible or whatever. this could cause the tables not to pop up if the Fold was not grabbed correctly. please re-confirm this and let me know. alternatively, there is a checkbox in Advanced Options in SAT, but that should be on by default
finally if you use other sites, remember that not all sites have that option to not pop to top, so on those sites, they will steal focus no matter what you do
08-30-2010
, 03:01 PM
Quote:
tile setting 'Never' right?
you need to make sure during Include Site setup, that you have correctly pressed F10 when it said to do it, when Fold button is visible or whatever. this could cause the tables not to pop up if the Fold was not grabbed correctly. please re-confirm this and let me know. alternatively, there is a checkbox in Advanced Options in SAT, but that should be on by default
finally if you use other sites, remember that not all sites have that option to not pop to top, so on those sites, they will steal focus no matter what you do
you need to make sure during Include Site setup, that you have correctly pressed F10 when it said to do it, when Fold button is visible or whatever. this could cause the tables not to pop up if the Fold was not grabbed correctly. please re-confirm this and let me know. alternatively, there is a checkbox in Advanced Options in SAT, but that should be on by default
finally if you use other sites, remember that not all sites have that option to not pop to top, so on those sites, they will steal focus no matter what you do
i think i did set them up correctly but will check
ah now i think about it maybe this is where I am going wrong, should i be pressing a fold hotkey to get the tables to rotate and pop up as they need action?
as at the moment i am just clicking fold as normal, and letting the site pop up required table, so are u saying i need to set up a fold hotkey and press this once i have completed my action on a table?
08-30-2010
, 03:57 PM