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Old 08-21-2010, 02:06 PM   #1351
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Re: StackAndTile - multi-site table manager (Stars,FTP,Party,UB,Cake,Everest,OnGame,iPoker +mor

Where can I find a list of known bugs in the latest version? I'm still using 1.99.09 because it has all the features i need. However, if the latest version is more stable I'd rather use the latest version.
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Old 08-21-2010, 02:34 PM   #1352
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in the SaT folder, there should be a /Sites sub-folder. open up that folder and create a new.ini file. there is an example in there for Betsson poker. actually you could just copy that Betsson file, rename it to BetFred, and modify the settings in there accordingly

let me know if you need more help
Cheers Greg ...

I opened a table and changed the Betsson file to Betfred poker .. i changed the settings via notepad ... changed table width & height , fold button x and fold button y and also the table class according to the Autoit3 figures.

I then try and open SaT and get the following error.

The follwoing variable name contains an illegal character:
" Betfred poker_standatd_table_width"

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3668:IniRead,%sitename%_standard_table_width,Sites \%sitename%.ini,settings,standard_table_width,%A_S pace%
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Old 08-21-2010, 03:24 PM   #1353
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Where can I find a list of known bugs in the latest version? I'm still using 1.99.09 because it has all the features i need. However, if the latest version is more stable I'd rather use the latest version.
well then just stick with .09 for now. i only know of the bugs that users report. so far i think .11 is ok. i'm working hard on .12 but it will mostly introduce vpip mode changes. heres whats planned:

v 1.99.12
- added: preliminary support for multiple configurations
- fixed: stack cycling through, now only happens when grid is full (for preflop tile setting)
- fixed: keep in grid tooltip is trimmed
- vpip mouse clicks
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Old 08-21-2010, 03:25 PM   #1354
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Cheers Greg ...

I opened a table and changed the Betsson file to Betfred poker .. i changed the settings via notepad ... changed table width & height , fold button x and fold button y and also the table class according to the Autoit3 figures.

I then try and open SaT and get the following error.

The follwoing variable name contains an illegal character:
" Betfred poker_standatd_table_width"

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3668:IniRead,%sitename%_standard_table_width,Sites \%sitename%.ini,settings,standard_table_width,%A_S pace%
make sure there are no spaces in your .ini file name

should look something like this:

Code:
BetfredPoker.ini
not like this:

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Betfred Poker.ini
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Old 08-21-2010, 04:00 PM   #1355
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Re: StackAndTile - multi-site table manager (Stars,FTP,Party,UB,Cake,Everest,OnGame,iPoker +mor

This is what i have in my BetfredPoker settings

[settings]

standard_table_width=806
standard_table_height=606

fold_button_x_coord=272
fold_button_y_coord=541

table_class=PTIODEVICE
table_exclude_title_text=Betfred Poker
table_include_title_text=$

Not sure if i need to add the " use_basic_click=1 " ..

What about that $ sign above ... does that mean i can only play the $$ tables and not the euro or pound ones on ipoker ?

All im looking for is something that will stack all my tables on one monitor and when i have a decision to make .. hoping to have that table auto transfer onto my second monitor and then return to its origional place after a decision is made ..

Hoping this is possible

If so, what would you recommend my configuration should be ? ..ie number of stack and new table slots ..

Apologies for the million questions .. but i tend to me fish out of water if computer things get slightly tricky ...I have a history of making an utter mess with stuff like this !
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Old 08-21-2010, 04:35 PM   #1356
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This is what i have in my BetfredPoker settings

[settings]

standard_table_width=806
standard_table_height=606

fold_button_x_coord=272
fold_button_y_coord=541

table_class=PTIODEVICE
table_exclude_title_text=Betfred Poker
table_include_title_text=$


What about that $ sign above ... does that mean i can only play the $$ tables and not the euro or pound ones on ipoker ?
ok for "exclude title text" you'll want something that distinguishes the title of the lobby from the title of the tables. for "include title text" youll want something that distinguishes the title of the tables. if you use "$", its likely that you wont be able to play on other currencies. you can try leaving both of those blank and see what happens. probably the lobby will be detected as a table as well.

also, you can check the link for 'User Contributed Sites' (http://stackandtile.com/sat/node/4) on the website, and check the link for ChiliPoker, which is another iPoker skin that a different user shared his configuration. you can compare to BetFred, maybe its similar

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Not sure if i need to add the " use_basic_click=1 " ..
i'm not sure either, when you try to include site (assuming your fold coords are correct), SaT will successfully click the Fold button or not. if not, you can go back and try adding that line.



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All im looking for is something that will stack all my tables on one monitor and when i have a decision to make .. hoping to have that table auto transfer onto my second monitor and then return to its origional place after a decision is made ..

Hoping this is possible

If so, what would you recommend my configuration should be ? ..ie number of stack and new table slots ..
lets get you set up first, and then see how you want the tables to move. follow the Quick Start Guide on the website. for Configure Grid, you can drag the slots onto different monitors as you wish. the last thing to do will be include BetFred, and then you'll be testing out your ini file

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Apologies for the million questions .. but i tend to me fish out of water if computer things get slightly tricky ...I have a history of making an utter mess with stuff like this !
dont apologize. it can be a bit tricky to set up at first, helping you helps me clarify the process to try to make it simpler
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Old 08-21-2010, 04:46 PM   #1357
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Hey greg,

I know that you advocate leaving the table in the grid for the next hand, but I think one thing that might really help me would be if I could send the table back into the stack after every decision. Some villians take ages to make a decision and this often means a lot of tables taking up space in the grid and requiring constant checking and rechecking.

I am more and more making decisions (bet check call) and then immediately using the Stack Table hotkey, to free up the grid. Doing things this way means I rarely have more than 6 tables in the grid. Although each table will return to a different slot in the grid, it has never been anything but a very minor nuisance. However, playing 24 tables and using a grid layout of 18 tables, the issue of having too many tables in the grid is becoming a major nuisance.


yeah, i figured the reason of SaT was to get the benefits of both stacking and tiling, and one of the benefits of tiling is that if the table is in the same location, you can have an internal memory of how the hand has played out thus far. by sending to stack and returning to grid after every decision, i think you lose that. but since you dont mind it..

do you play with hotkeys like StarsCash or BetPot or TN? because then you could easily just pass through a 'Stack Table' hotkey alongside one of those programs using the "~" hotkey prefix in SaT.

betweaver, another thing, isn't this style of play that you describe similar to solely stacking? you make a decision and the table disappears for the next table to come up? why do you prefer your method over normal stacking?
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Old 08-21-2010, 05:49 PM   #1358
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ok .. i changed the $ sign and replaced it with my ipoker alias .

I did not changed the exclude title text, although the Chilli configuration did have " Nickname " after the site name.

So i opened the SaT program and set up grid .. that bit seemed easy ..

Not sure what to do with the configure grid option .. i started with a total of 2 slots and placed them both on my left monitor ..

In stacks i have - stack slot 1 and new tables slot 2

Tile setting is preflop .

I tried to start SaT and it said i needed a stack table hotkey .. so i chose A and saved .

The hotkey is sent to active table.

I started up a couple of tables .. and nothing much happened .. if im honest .. i was not expecting miracles so early
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Old 08-21-2010, 06:08 PM   #1359
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ok do this,
put new tables slot=0
have a "fold+stack" hotkey
send hotkey to table under mouse

then, try to Include Site, (betFred should be at the bottom of the dropdown)

if all goes well, start SaT, mouseover your tables and then press the "fold+stack" hotkey (which should send the table to slot1), then when a table requires action it should move to slot2
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Old 08-21-2010, 08:12 PM   #1360
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put new tables slot=0
have a "fold+stack" hotkey
send hotkey to table under mouse - all done

Tried to add betfred, clicked F9 - ok , tried to click F10 to fold and it would not fold ..
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Old 08-21-2010, 09:15 PM   #1361
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When I have SaT running and am using auto-import in HEM, none of my SaT hotkeys work. If I stop auto-importing, then my hotkeys work. This just started happening now, hadn't updated HEM or SaT recently. I've never had this problem before, so not sure what caused it all of a sudden.
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Old 08-21-2010, 09:38 PM   #1362
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put new tables slot=0
have a "fold+stack" hotkey
send hotkey to table under mouse - all done

Tried to add betfred, clicked F9 - ok , tried to click F10 to fold and it would not fold ..
ok, add the "use_basic_click=1" to the betfredini

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Old 08-21-2010, 09:49 PM   #1363
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When I have SaT running and am using auto-import in HEM, none of my SaT hotkeys work. If I stop auto-importing, then my hotkeys work. This just started happening now, hadn't updated HEM or SaT recently. I've never had this problem before, so not sure what caused it all of a sudden.
you didnt update HEM recently? hrmm. can you try alternating the order of which program you start first? or also if you press Start on SaT before or after HEM import?
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Old 08-21-2010, 10:41 PM   #1364
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yeah, i figured the reason of SaT was to get the benefits of both stacking and tiling, and one of the benefits of tiling is that if the table is in the same location, you can have an internal memory of how the hand has played out thus far. by sending to stack and returning to grid after every decision, i think you lose that. but since you dont mind it..

I associate "memory of how the hand has played out" with my holecards rather than slot position. Possibly the former is more primary, as I relate my hand strength more closely to "how the hand has played out" than the position of the slot in the grid. This "internal memory of how the hand has played out" definitely exists, but it is possibly overrated if you mass table.

My grid is 2 monitors of 18 tables (9 per monitor). One's internal memory can only handle so much load. If I have eleven tables in the grid I have a ton more information to process (not only 'where' the table I have vpip'd in is, but in sorting out tables that I do not need from those I do need). Also if I have JJ in slots 2, 7 & 14 my eye has to move a greater distance, whereas if the tables are closer together I can observe the action out of the corner of my eye. For example, if the table is on my first monitor and I have 44 on the button and flat a early position open and one of the blinds shoves, then I can fold in an instant. If I had that table on my second screen then I will lose a second or two looking for the table and moving my mouse there. Also, stacking and tiling is superior because I can fold faster than just stacking, which means I am less likely to timeout.

Internal memory of previous action is good but these other things are more important to me as I mass table. It might mean i have to spend a tiny bit more time recalling the action gone before, but I have a ton more time to do that if I have less tables in the grid.

To sum up, 24 tables is more often a struggle if I leave the tables in their slots, than otherwise. Playing the way I suggest (sending table to stack after each decision) makes mass tabling a breeze, and the benefits of "internal memory of how the hand has played out" negligible.

another thing, isn't this style of play that you describe similar to solely stacking? you make a decision and the table disappears for the next table to come up? why do you prefer your method over normal stacking?


1. stacking and tiling gives peace of mind by removing the danger of timing out when a LOT of tables need action at the same time.

2. stacking and tiling means I can fold a LOT faster than just stacking.

do you play with hotkeys like StarsCash or BetPot or TN? because then you could easily just pass through a 'Stack Table' hotkey alongside one of those programs using the "~" hotkey prefix in SaT.

I use StarsCash, but not their BetPot function.

I don't understand the phrase "pass through".

I would like to give your suggestion a try but don't know where to begin.


might need some more info on this request. how long should the table be kept in grid, etc? ill revisit this, right now i'm really headdeep into getting vpip mode improved

it could be instant.
This is the way to play the maximum number of tables possible, imo.
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Old 08-21-2010, 11:49 PM   #1365
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great, that really helps me get into your mindset, ill need more time to go over it

what i mean by "pass through" the hotkey is, if you have hotkeys in TN or BetPot or StarsCash, lets say:

"R" for raise

then in SaT, setup a hotkey with the ~ prefix:

"~R" for "Stack Table"

give it a shot
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It works! But only with one hotkey (I chose bet/raise), and check/calling leaves me with no option to return the table to the stack.


When I have a lot of tables in the new tables slot (say I have restarted SaT during a session for some reason) I will hold down the Stack Table Hotkey to get them all into the stack as quickly as possible. But then I am calling on all my tables where the action is on me.
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Hey greg,

I know that you advocate leaving the table in the grid for the next hand, but I think one thing that might really help me would be if I could send the table back into the stack after every decision. Some villians take ages to make a decision and this often means a lot of tables taking up space in the grid and requiring constant checking and rechecking.

I am more and more making decisions (bet check call) and then immediately using the Stack Table hotkey, to free up the grid. Doing things this way means I rarely have more than 6 tables in the grid. Although each table will return to a different slot in the grid, it has never been anything but a very minor nuisance. However, playing 24 tables and using a grid layout of 18 tables, the issue of having too many tables in the grid is becoming a major nuisance.

My preference would perhaps be for the table to go back in the stack when the check, call and bet buttons are clicked. And could you arrange it so if I wanted to see showdown results I could hold down the Ctrl key to keep the table in the grid after I make my decision?

This is how I have my layout set up. I have the tables all restack from the slots after a fold, raise, or check. Not with calls though, I'll have to fix that.
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are you able to say how you do it?

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Why do the tables in the stack slot flicker and how can I stop this?

impossible to play


where can I get previous versions ?

( looks like a good script )

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Its going to be a good day .. i can feel it

Did what you said Greg and managed to get it to work ..

My set up is 2 slots

Stack slot =1 , new tables slot = 0 .

Hotkey are stack table A, Fold + stack table Z .

I tried 2 tabling and they where stacked on my left monitor and once a decision needed to be made it went to the 2nd monitor ..made my decision and pressed Z for it to return.

I take it keep having to press Z to return to stack to allow the next table to pop up. ?

ok ... now that i seem to be having some progress ... whats the best option when playing say 8 tables ...

Is the same slots amount good enough or do i need to look into opening more slot .. maybe say 3 slots on the left monitor and 2 on the right ...or am i started to run before i can walk here ?

Thanks again Greg .. really appreciate your help on this matter.
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I second what Jin-Roh says ..

Ive just tried 3 tables and the stack in the left monitor flickered like mad when i had decision to make on those tables.

Any way to stop the flickering ?

As per previous psot ... I meant i pressed A for table to return to stack, use Z only if i was folding .
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Just one more small question ..

Thankfully .. i do tend to slow down with the questions after a while .

I noticed the settings for unibet so im going to try and set up the same kinda thing for Ladbrokes ..

In the sites folder .. i have the BefredPoker configuration settings ... is it ok to just copy and paste and rename the new file to Ladbrokes and just alter the configuration settings ?

If so .. i could then just add Ladbrokes to the sites on the SaT program like i did with Betfred ..

That possible or is it just betfred or Ladbrokes ?
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Why do the tables in the stack slot flicker and how can I stop this?

impossible to play


where can I get previous versions ?

( looks like a good script )
well, its not imopssible to play, because those tables don't mean anything. they dont require action, you dont have to worry about them

anyways, it will be fixed in the next version v.12
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It works! But only with one hotkey (I chose bet/raise), and check/calling leaves me with no option to return the table to the stack.
why cant you create multiple "Stack table" hotkeys in SaT each corresponding to your hotkeys in StarsCash? ie StarsCash is "F" for fold, "C" for call, "B" for raise, then create three "Stack table" hotkeys each "~F", "~C", "~B" ?

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When I have a lot of tables in the new tables slot (say I have restarted SaT during a session for some reason) I will hold down the Stack Table Hotkey to get them all into the stack as quickly as possible. But then I am calling on all my tables where the action is on me.
perhaps just create a normal "Stack table" hotkey that doesnt pass thru to any other hotkey program. but there should probably be some way to "stack all" in the program
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