I'm using the built-in FTP site with the Full Tilt UK client. I was using this in conjunction with 888. I wanted to use the smallest sized tables for both the FTP and 888 clients. The 888 tables are a bit wider, and the FTP tables are 1 pixel taller, so when setting up my grid, I used the larger of both these dimensions (tbh I wasn't really sure how best to set up the program for tables with different ratios for dimensions).

Well, during Include Site setup, SaT resizes each site's table to 'best fit' the grid slot size. So if different sites don't scale proportionally, then you will sometimes notice gaps. Thats nothing to worry about though.

I don't know if the FTP UK client is different. What buttons do you see when everyone checks to you?

Can you try creating a new layout just to test (File -> New Layout), and use a more normal sized FTP table to base the slot size on? Then include site and see if this larger size makes any difference.

The buttons are as you described above, with check on the left, raise on the right, and no middle button.

I played around with it a bit more, and found that for some reason, some FTP tables are being resized to fit the grid exactly (stretched longitudinally) whereas others remain as the standard FTP minimum size (with gaps in the grid, like you mentioned). I can't see any differences between these tables that would cause StackAndTile to treat them differently - as far as I'm aware, they're essentially identical.

The tables that are being stretched to fit the grid work fine, and will pop out from the stack if the pot is limped to hero in the BB. The tables that aren't being resized do not do this. Like I said, I can't see any reason as to why the tables aren't all being treated the same.

Just had another play around with it - I made a new layout for just FTP with the grid size set exactly to the table dimensions of an FTP table at its smallest size. It worked fine, and the limping problem was gone.

I'm still not sure how to get both minimally sized FTP and 888 tables to work in conjunction though, without experiencing the limping issue on the FTP tables.

This is very very strange. When SaT detects a New Table, it is supposed to take control of it, and resize the table to the appropriate dimensions. The only thing I could think of is if SaT is somehow ignoring these tables altogether. You haven't used an "Ignore Table" hotkey on them, right? Do these tables pop out into the grid at normal times?

In fact, if you try to resize the table while SaT is running, SaT should detect this, and try to resize it back. So if you can somehow notice which tables are improperly sized, you can try to resize with your mouse, and then see if SaT will resize it back to the size its supposed to be.


Another option you can do is, use this new layout with the exact FTP dimensions, if you are happy with this size for FTP. Now your grid slot size should be perfect for FTP. Then you can also include 888 into this layout, and the 888 tables will be scaled proportionally to its client size. So you will have some gaps/overlap/etc with the 888 tables, since they will likely not fit into the FTP slot size. But try that and see if it works.

Tried this and it seemed to fix the problem for whatever reason. Thanks for the help.

Yes sometimes the table scaling ends up messing things up. If the table size isn't proportional to the site's normal dimensions, then SaT can be calculating the wrong coordinate location for the fold button. Anyway, glad its working

So I added a pokerstars.fr on my scheduele and found out when I played a 9man €5 SNG, it did not work as it should. First it worked good, moved in the grid as it supposed to, but then a few hands in, the grid did not pick up the table and it was left behind the other tables in the stack.

If it worked initially, then it should work throughout. Can you test it again and see if you notice when/why it stops?

I tried it again, it took 12 hands then it was forgotten again, and it doesn't help to restart SaT either. I don't do anything different either, I run PS.fr with Nova theme and PS.eu with the new PS7 theme if that helps, also I run ps.eu with PS7 and ps.fr with ps6 since I can't get PS7 there yet.

Ah that probably explains it. Mixing themes is not gonna work. You need to only include one site for PokerStars within SaT, and make sure all of your skins match it.

http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/help/pokerstars

Ok, thanks!

Any plans to support hive network?

I have used the custom setup for yachting poker (hive), it works well, just a couple of annoyances;
When I startup poker client, SAT can't resize the tables correctly; it successfully reduces the window to the size I want but the poker table graphics don't resize at all (so I'm left with a view of only the top left part of each table). This is fairly easily fixed by manually resizing before I start SAT, once first table is correct all others resize fine with SAT, but it's a major annoyance when I have to restart poker client midsession for whatever reason whilst 16 tabling.

Occasionally the table graphics mess up, and always it appears as a black block on same Part of table each time, and is fixed by manually resizing the window.

Any idea how I can fix these probs?

Yea, common problem on some small networks. SaT has a setting you can add to your custom site config file to work around this issue. Your custom site files are all located in the folder:

C:\Program Files (x86)\StackAndTile\Sites\

Add this line to the bottom of the file:

What that will do is send a click to the border of the table. Usually this is enough to cause the table to redraw its graphics. Try that first and see. You can also test it yourself, when the table fails to redraw itself, instead of manually resizing it, try just sending a single click to the border of the table (the point at the edge of the window when your mouse cursor changes to the resize cursor)

If the single click fails, change the line to:

This will cause SaT to click and drag and drag back, essentially performing the same manual resize that you are doing yourself. However, I recommend you try the single 'click' first. The 'drag' can sometimes be quirky. Try not moving your mouse when the tables initially open, to fully allow SaT to take control of the mouse and resize/redraw the tables. Once everything settles down, then go ahead and play.

Hi,

Does this software have a multystacks layout or only one stack?
It support different clients?

Thanks!

Only one stack currently and yes it supports most pokersites

Added a new site again, PartyPoker and this time it was expensive. I tried it out first and it seemed to work as it should pretty much, the tables was smaller then they should be but it was just to click Maximize icon and it got the correct size. However after playing for a while I noticed that almost all of my partypoker tables was SIT OUT and was left under the stack... They never even popped out of the stack, I saw that one table that was about to time out just popped out right before it timed out, so it's not instat or even close to instant, if it SaT at all moves the PartyPoker tables out from the stack.

Why did you maxmimize the tables? SaT resizes them for a reason, in order to detect the presence of the fold button to determine when action is required. Thats why when you press Start, SaT takes control of all the tables and resizes them appropriately to fit your grid. If you manually change this size, then SaT will not be able to know when it is your turn to act, and therefore not move the table out to the grid.

If things don't work as you expect, you should stop immediately and diagnose the problem. You shouldn't just continue the session. As soon as your saw the tables at a size you didn't expect, you should've stopped.

Now, if your Party tables are smaller than the rest of the tables, that may not necessarily be a problem for the software, but maybe it will be too small for you to play comfortably. As always, you should test with play money or with a few tables and make sure that the software is working as you expect, before scaling up to a full session.

If you require the Party tables larger, you can create a new layout with File->New Layout, and then resize one party table with your mouse to the size you want, and then use this table as the template to define your grid slot size when it asks you to press F7. Then go ahead and Include all of your sites normally into this new layout.

I did maxmimize the tables because it was like half the size of the grid, but when I did it it was in the right scale and everything seemed to work as it should. But yes, I did close down my session as soon as I saw the problem, but the thing is that it was working as I expected it to work in the start, was only some hands after that they stayed in the stack instead. But yes, I should have been more carefull and should have played more with play money than I did.

Thanks, I will do that

Hrmmm. Well test it some more and see. The tables shouldn't be half the grid slot size. Sometimes, because each site uses different proportions for its tables, a certain site will have slightly larger or smaller tables because they won't fit exactly into the grid slot size. But it shouldn't be half..

Yes exactly, neither the height or lenght was as big as it could have been, it might have to do with that im running 4k resolution and I tried play money tables which of some reason you can't make bigger? Either way pretty wierd, it works now, I did a new layout.

Ok cool. 4k resolution shouldn't matter I don't think. If you're running Win8.1, it has a setting that needed to be changed for some users:
http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/help/windows-81-fix

Redraw=click didn't work for hive, redraw=drag does work but it steals the mouse cursor too much to be usable.

Hi Greg,
would it be possible to add another hotkey "all in"?

atm i need 2 clicks for it (bet x bb and then bet), would be sweet to have a 1 click hotkey

Yeah, its unfortunate, only so much can be done for these small networks with poor software. The mouse cursor is taken upon each time a new table opens. Try not to move the mouse. Once the table is sized properly, it won't be needed again