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Old 12-01-2011, 07:06 PM   #3626
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www.stackandtile.com/sat

you shouldn't need any other programs. but some people have trouble setting it up, so just ask if you have any problems
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Old 12-02-2011, 12:15 PM   #3627
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I can't get it to work Greg. I must be retarded or just getting old. I vote the latter because I do have a couple of degrees in engineering.

If I manually click fold, check, or bet the software is working just fine for me.


However, I am using stars shortcuts. So my fold is on the right click mouse. I made an external vpip key for the "R button" as you said. Still, nothing happens when I fold with the right click mouse. How would SAT even know that external vpip key "R button" is folding and external vpip key "X button 1" is betting???


So I went ahead and turned off stars shortcuts. I removed the external vpip key and just added a shortcut within SAT that right click means fold. Still nothing happens to my tables when I right click (it does fold the hands for me though). They remained tiled. They only move back to the stack if I MANUALLY hit one of the action buttons.

Please help, ready to give up on this software. Wasted so much time trying to figure it out. I must be getting old, had no problems with HEM/ninja/cardrunners ev in the past.
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Old 12-02-2011, 06:54 PM   #3628
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Re: StackAndTile

Can't make it work with Ongame tables (tournaments). F9 is fine, but F5 doesn't fold.
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Old 12-02-2011, 09:10 PM   #3629
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However, I am using stars shortcuts. So my fold is on the right click mouse. I made an external vpip key for the "R button" as you said. Still, nothing happens when I fold with the right click mouse. How would SAT even know that external vpip key "R button" is folding and external vpip key "X button 1" is betting???
no, you dont want to set up an "external vpip key"

but rather a "Stack Table" hotkey for "~RButton"

because you want to send the table back to the stack when you press right click, yes?

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Please help, ready to give up on this software. Wasted so much time trying to figure it out. I must be getting old, had no problems with HEM/ninja/cardrunners ev in the past.
yeah this is my fault for not making the software easier to use, i'm a programmer and not necessarily a designer. if you give me your skype name, i can help you one on one
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Old 12-02-2011, 09:10 PM   #3630
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Can't make it work with Ongame tables (tournaments). F9 is fine, but F5 doesn't fold.
during Include Site setup, it should be F10 for folding
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Old 12-03-2011, 12:01 PM   #3631
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greg, just added party to my schedule.

had the same problem with f10 not working, started up software again and after it worked... don't know what the problem was.
my problem is that party tables don't pop up in the stack, could that be a problem because I have tableninja running for stars? really don't know what to do, it's ****ing tilting.

any help apreciated.
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Old 12-03-2011, 01:16 PM   #3632
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I am up and running Greg. I put in a 2000 hand session with the software and it went relatively well. One little problem I am running too is that my autofold and check are the same button (right click mouse). So I am sending the table back to the stack and right away its coming back to being tiled because its waiting for action. Don't think I will be able to get around this one, probably need to learn to manually click check.
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Old 12-03-2011, 02:29 PM   #3633
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greg, just added party to my schedule.

had the same problem with f10 not working, started up software again and after it worked... don't know what the problem was.
my problem is that party tables don't pop up in the stack, could that be a problem because I have tableninja running for stars? really don't know what to do, it's ****ing tilting.

any help apreciated.
do you have all the party settings correct?
http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/help/partypoker
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Old 12-03-2011, 02:31 PM   #3634
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I am up and running Greg. I put in a 2000 hand session with the software and it went relatively well. One little problem I am running too is that my autofold and check are the same button (right click mouse). So I am sending the table back to the stack and right away its coming back to being tiled because its waiting for action. Don't think I will be able to get around this one, probably need to learn to manually click check.
is this because the stars checkbox says "Fold/Check"? then yes, no way to get around that, since the stars software makes the decision whether its gonna be a check or fold. shouldnt be a problem though, cause if you do check, you are still in the hand, so the table will be back in grid incase you hit a miracle
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Old 12-03-2011, 05:18 PM   #3635
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is this because the stars checkbox says "Fold/Check"? then yes, no way to get around that, since the stars software makes the decision whether its gonna be a check or fold. shouldnt be a problem though, cause if you do check, you are still in the hand, so the table will be back in grid incase you hit a miracle

Right, this is the case. It doesn't cause problems.

I have a couple of questions regarding style. Right now I am using "action required" tile setting. Its working fine.

In your opinion what are the pros and cons of "action required" versus "after entering pot". I was 15+ tabling today and on various occasions I was using all of my 8 slot grid and was working out of the stack. However, it seems like with the "action required" method you really shouldn't work out of the stack (can fold a hand on another table by accident if the table on top gets tiled simulatenously).


My inital thought on the software is that it definitely makes multitabling much easier. I have never been able to play 24 tables, but I wouldn't be surprised if in two days I am able to do it. Another big pro is that I can keep my tables pretty large so that I can see stats. I am using 27" monitor and 24" monitor and in the past, once I went past 6 tables per monitor, the tables would become way too small.

The biggest negative so far is that I can't plan ahead. When tiling tables, sometimes you can preplan a 3bet or a steal from the small blind with complete and utter trash because you can look up your opponents stats in advance and see a leak. Of course with any type of cascading/stacking you can't do this. Of course this is just part of the big debate of tiling versus cascading, so has nothing to do with the software.


p.s Last thing, any recommendations for a timebank on pokerstars novatheme? It seems like I really should get one. Stars has autotime bank, but not preflop when no vppip has occurred. Tableninja does not have one right now for novatheme so just wondering if you know of one. Thanks a bunch!! Will make the big decision on whether to buy the software subscription in one week.
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Old 12-03-2011, 05:58 PM   #3636
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do you have all the party settings correct?
http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/help/partypoker
thx, gonna look at it after session but it didn't work at all when I wanted to reset it (same problem with not recognizing check/fold)

just changed all the settings, it just doesn't react. nothing to do there?

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Old 12-03-2011, 06:05 PM   #3637
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In your opinion what are the pros and cons of "action required" versus "after entering pot". I was 15+ tabling today and on various occasions I was using all of my 8 slot grid and was working out of the stack. However, it seems like with the "action required" method you really shouldn't work out of the stack (can fold a hand on another table by accident if the table on top gets tiled simulatenously).
yeah, with "action required" you're not meant to be playing out of the stack. the only times you play out of the stack is when your grid is full, as you experienced.

with "after entering pot", you will be playing all preflop decisions out of the stack. only when you raise/call will the table move to the grid

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The biggest negative so far is that I can't plan ahead. When tiling tables, sometimes you can preplan a 3bet or a steal from the small blind with complete and utter trash because you can look up your opponents stats in advance and see a leak. Of course with any type of cascading/stacking you can't do this. Of course this is just part of the big debate of tiling versus cascading, so has nothing to do with the software.
you got it. with stacking you cant plan ahead either. i am a tiler by nature, so i could never get used to stacking. planning ahead wasnt as big a problem for me as was remembering the previous action of the hand. id be stacking and get to the river on one hand, and not remember what happened before. with SaT, at least you can remember how the action played out since the same table was in the same spot throughout the hand.


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p.s Last thing, any recommendations for a timebank on pokerstars novatheme? It seems like I really should get one. Stars has autotime bank, but not preflop when no vppip has occurred. Tableninja does not have one right now for novatheme so just wondering if you know of one. Thanks a bunch!! Will make the big decision on whether to buy the software subscription in one week.
cant really help you on the timebank problem. i havent looked at the Nova themes yet for stars. some people said that SaT doesnt work for them on Nova themes.
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Old 12-03-2011, 06:08 PM   #3638
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thx, gonna look at it after session but it didn't work at all when I wanted to reset it (same problem with not recognizing check/fold)

just changed all the settings, it just doesn't react. nothing to do there?
i assume youre using Tile Setting = "after entering pot"? thats why you have problems with the tables not popping to the top of the stack?

well you need to first see if you've set up party correctly during Include Site setup. that is, see if SaT is correctly detecting the fold button.

to do this, use Tile Setting = "action required", put some tables in the stack, and see if they correctly pop out to the grid when its your turn to act. if this doesnt work properly, then youll need to remove and re-include Party from the sites tab, paying special attention to the directions for pressing F10 for fold
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Old 12-07-2011, 12:14 PM   #3639
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I have a problem. I am have too much fun setting up SaT with different sites and it keeps me from actually play poker! Two sites I do have questions on though. First, I know Ipoker is a problem site but do you have any suggestions to work around the poker clients crappy software? Second, I am having trouble getting SaT to recognize Cake poker window class in Custom Site Creator. Thanks for the help!
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Old 12-07-2011, 03:58 PM   #3640
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cake is a massive fail all around. i have tried everything to try to get it to work. the window_class isnt a problem, i believe its something like "HWNDWRAPPER[12345sadfasdf]", if i remember correctly you can just use the prefix that is always there "HWNDWRAPPER" and leave out the rest. the real problem is when you try to Include Site, i havent found a way to reliably grab the fold button color, i think cake software prevents other softwares from scanning its table

as for ipoker, what exactly is your problem? it should work as long as you take into consideration the issues here:
http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/help/ipoker
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Old 12-07-2011, 08:09 PM   #3641
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cake is a massive fail all around. i have tried everything to try to get it to work. the window_class isnt a problem, i believe its something like "HWNDWRAPPER[12345sadfasdf]", if i remember correctly you can just use the prefix that is always there "HWNDWRAPPER" and leave out the rest. the real problem is when you try to Include Site, i havent found a way to reliably grab the fold button color, i think cake software prevents other softwares from scanning its table

as for ipoker, what exactly is your problem? it should work as long as you take into consideration the issues here:
http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/help/ipoker
Thanks for the advice for Cake I will see if I can get something to work. As for Ipoker, the problem is not with SaT but with new tables always popping in front of existing tables. Since I play out of one stack this is a problem but I am going to try different combinations of grids to see if I can prevent this. Thanks for the help!
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Old 12-07-2011, 08:31 PM   #3642
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Greg I'm not sure if SAT can do what I am asking but here goes. ATM I have my tables in a stack off to the side and when I am required to act they jump into a grid of 6 on my main monitor (this works really well).

What I want to do is move my stack to the main monitor (easy) and when I fold have them go to the bottom of the stack (easy). What I want to do, is have them come out of the stack into the grid when I act (not fold). I can't see anyway to do this that doesn't involve 2 x clicks (1 to move table to next spot in grid and 1 to call, raise whatever).

Summary: What I am needing is a hotkey that will automatically send the table from the stack to the grid when I act (not fold). I can then send it back to the stack when I am finished as I am doing now (and I am sure you know how awesome 'end of hand detection' would be).

Hope that makes some sense.
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Old 12-08-2011, 12:02 AM   #3643
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Thanks for the advice for Cake I will see if I can get something to work. As for Ipoker, the problem is not with SaT but with new tables always popping in front of existing tables. Since I play out of one stack this is a problem but I am going to try different combinations of grids to see if I can prevent this. Thanks for the help!
ah yes. ipoker is one of the few clients that doesnt allow you to turn off the option for tables popping in front of each other. i think entraction does this too. .

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What I want to do is move my stack to the main monitor (easy) and when I fold have them go to the bottom of the stack (easy). What I want to do, is have them come out of the stack into the grid when I act (not fold). I can't see anyway to do this that doesn't involve 2 x clicks (1 to move table to next spot in grid and 1 to call, raise whatever).
yup just use:

Tile Setting = After entering pot



all preflop actions will now take place in the stack. mouse clicks on 'call' or 'raise' will send the tables to the grid. you could also set up hotkeys in SaT which should also work.

if you use a program like TableNinja for your call/raise hotkeys, then you'll want to set up 'External VPIP hotkeys' in SaT that match

example:

TableNinja Call hotkey = "C"
SaT External VPIP key = "~C"

(the ~ is necessary in SaT but should be automatically added, so you can just input C)
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Old 12-08-2011, 01:19 AM   #3644
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So do I need a SAT VPIP key for each different TN preflop hotkey?
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Old 12-08-2011, 02:07 AM   #3645
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How do I move my table back to the stack whenever the action is done in the grid and a new hand is dealt?
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Old 12-08-2011, 09:23 AM   #3646
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So do I need a SAT VPIP key for each different TN preflop hotkey?
yeah if for example in TN you have Call=c and Raise=r, then in SaT you would have these to match:

External VPIP key = ~c
External VPIP key = ~r
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How do I move my table back to the stack whenever the action is done in the grid and a new hand is dealt?
this is on the feature request list, but i admit that i have slacked off and have no timeframe
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Old 12-08-2011, 05:37 PM   #3647
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I am having diffuculties with figuring it out myself. Is this program capable of making two stacks

so one base stack

and one stack when i reach t200 level

thanks for answering
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[QUOTE=greg nice;30267873]yeah if for example in TN you have Call=c and Raise=r, then in SaT you would have these to match:

External VPIP key = ~c
External VPIP key = ~r
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I have set this up and it is working fine except my TN 'all in' hotkey is my middle mouse button - set to click 'bet' automatically. When I do this, it seems to drag the table under the active table to the grid as well. Would changing the click setting to activate when mouse is released help with this?
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I am having diffuculties with figuring it out myself. Is this program capable of making two stacks

so one base stack

and one stack when i reach t200 level

thanks for answering
hrmm, its an interesting question. someone asked a similar one recently on the SaT forums. it might be possible if the t200 blind level is specified in the table title, but to do it you would need to run two instances of SaT. the current functionality is designed for only one stack. so your requirements would be very advanced and out of the scope of the project, but it might still be possible with some workarounds. if you really need this then let me know and i will help you further

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I have set this up and it is working fine except my TN 'all in' hotkey is my middle mouse button - set to click 'bet' automatically. When I do this, it seems to drag the table under the active table to the grid as well. Would changing the click setting to activate when mouse is released help with this?
you have the hotkey set to "~MButton" in SaT yes?

and yes, if two tables are moving, you can try activating hotkeys on release instead of downpress, try turning on that checkbox in Advanced Options and let me know
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Old 12-13-2011, 06:30 PM   #3650
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cant get the free version working on merge. set-up and everything is fine but when i actually want to play my tables arent detected. looked quickly into this, is this just because merge doesnt display stakes? if i buy the full version im assuming it will work?
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