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02-09-2014 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Messenjupp
Got some questions/problems:

1. One of my sites is WPT, the party network. What site do I have to use. "Party Poker" or "other sites" when I want to add WPT? Cause I used "Party Poker" and now the chat box on the bottom right corner keeps flickering. Also I dont see all action buttons all the time. Sometimes I have to hover over the place where the button should be with my mouse and than the button appears...so there seems to be some kind of a problem. I have 3 colour action button on WPT activated fwiw.
Yeah you want to use the built in PartyPokerModern site, assuming you are using modern theme.

As for the flickering, this is usually a result of not using Scan Mode = DWM in Advanced Options as mentioned on the help page for party:
http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/help/partypoker

If SaT didn't choose DWM by default, and instead chose PW, its likely because you are not using Aero theme in Windows Vista/7. Change to an Aero theme and then change to Scan Mode = DWM, and then remove and re-include all of your sites again.

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2. The other site I'm playing is 888 and when I was testing WPT and 888 the 888 table kept being in front on my main slot although I had no action on the 888 table and it was my turn on WPT. Had to move 888 table first in order to be able to click a button on the 888 tables. Guess the "when its my turn to play: pop up the game window" checkbox plays a role here. Do I have to uncheck those on both 888 and WPT? Update: I just unchecked this option and for some reason the 888 table still stays on top..even when I click on the WPT tables in the task bar. The only exception is when its my turn on WPT, then I can get on that table by clicking on it in the task bar. But as soon as I clicked on an action button the 888 table gets back in front again.
Correct. You want to turn off all of those options, as mentioned here:
http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/help/focus-stealing

Now, if 888 is still staying in front, it may be because SaT is ALWAYS thinking that action is required. A quick way to test is to to this: use Move To Grid = Action Required, Start SaT, put one 888 table in the stack using a "Stack" hotkey. See if the table waits in the stack for your turn to act, and then pops out into the next grid slot. If it doesn't wait, and instead pops back out immediately when you try to stack it (or gives the illusion that it just stays in the grid), this likely means that SaT is mistakenly thinking that action is always required. This is a common problem, and is sometimes solved by simply removing and re-Including the site within SaT.

However, with 888, it could possibly be because your grid slot size is too small. The problem with 888 is that the button colors are black except for a slight sliver of color near the bottom of the button. SaT tries to grab this color. What is your grid slot size? Click on the menu File -> Current Layout which will open your layout config file, and near the top there should be two lines "table_width/height". Tell me what those are.

Perhaps your grid slot size isn't even too small. When you initially set up your SaT grid layout, it asked you to click on a table and press F7 to set your grid slot size. Maybe if you used a table from a different site than 888, the scaling got messed up. In this case, you can try creating a new layout with File -> New Layout, and when it asks you to press F7, use an 888 table as your base grid slot size. This might be the best thing to try as long as your slot sizes aren't abnormally small.

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3. On 888 when I get a hand and click fold it still moves me to another slot. Whats wrong there?
Its likely what I described above. I should probably update the 888 help page with this info
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02-10-2014 , 04:34 PM
As for problem 2: table_width=716 and table_height=520..so that should not be too small. Still having trouble with the 888 table staying on top. The WPT button flickering is gone.

If the colour of the buttons are the problem. Can you just tell me where they are located and I will use another colour for them and the problem should be solved right (will just modify the colour of the buttons with photoshop).

BUT

Now I had the problem that I was in a pot (using the move to grid on flop method) and after I won the pot and got my new hand dealt the table did not get moved back to the main stlot but stayed in the slot from the hand before until I folded the 2nd hand. What do I have to do that the table moves back to the main slot once I fold a hand or the hands is over?

The stealing focus option is unchecked by the way and I added those two sites again after I unchecked the option...so that should not be the problem.

Last edited by Messenjupp; 02-10-2014 at 04:46 PM.
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02-10-2014 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Messenjupp
As for problem 2: table_width=716 and table_height=520..so that should not be too small. Still having trouble with the 888 table staying on top. T
Yes that size should be good enough. However, at least on my machine, that is not a native size for 888, so perhaps when you initially set up your SaT grid, you used a different site for the table.

Run the test above using Move To Grid = Action Required and see if the table moves out of stack and into grid at the correct time. My guess is that the tables will not be able to be moved to the stack because SaT will keep moving them back to the grid instantly.

Try this:

File -> New Layout

Resize an 888 table with your mouse. Make it the size you want your tables to be (not too small). Then press F7 when it asks you. This will create a whole new grid layout and you'll need to set up your sites/settings again, but this time the slot size will be native to 888 and this might help SaT grab those button colors better.

Include 888 and then run the test above again.

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If the colour of the buttons are the problem. Can you just tell me where they are located and I will use another colour for them and the problem should be solved right (will just modify the colour of the buttons with photoshop).
Can 888 table graphics be modified? I haven't heard about that. Changing the entire Fold button color might do it

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Now I had the problem that I was in a pot (using the move to grid on flop method) and after I won the pot and got my new hand dealt the table did not get moved back to the main stlot but stayed in the slot from the hand before until I folded the 2nd hand. What do I have to do that the table moves back to the main slot once I fold a hand or the hands is over?
This is a separate issue. I usually don't think its much of a big deal, because the next hand starts within seconds, and on the next hand you will have to make a decision anyway, and if you fold it goes straight back into the stack then. So its not like a table occupies a slot unnecessarily

When you fold a hand, the table should move back to the stack.

If you want the table to also move back to the stack after a hand is over after seeing a flop, you need to enable the Advanced Option for "Stack table at End of Hand". This should be sufficient for Move To Grid = On Flop. If you were to use Move To Grid = When dealt cards or After Entering Pot, then you may also want to enable the Advanced Option for 'Include holecard detection' which will also move the tables back to the stack when a hand is over when you raise pre and everyone folds. In this case, you never folded and the hand also never went to the flop, yet the hand is still over. You can read more about these options on the help pages on the website. You may need to remove and re-Include your sites after enabling these.

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The stealing focus option is unchecked by the way and I added those two sites again after I unchecked the option...so that should not be the problem.
Which option? Within SaT or within 888 ?

Last edited by greg nice; 02-10-2014 at 04:57 PM.
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02-10-2014 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by greg nice
Yes that size should be good enough. However, at least on my machine, that is not a native size for 888, so perhaps when you initially set up your SaT grid, you used a different site for the table.

Run the test above using Move To Grid = Action Required and see if the table moves out of stack and into grid at the correct time. My guess is that the tables will not be able to be moved to the stack because SaT will keep moving them back to the grid instantly.

Try this:

File -> New Layout

Resize an 888 table with your mouse. Make it the size you want your tables to be (not too small). Then press F7 when it asks you. This will create a whole new grid layout and you'll need to set up your sites/settings again, but this time the slot size will be native to 888 and this might help SaT grab those button colors better.

Include 888 and then run the test above again.
I did both of the above and you were right...I cant move the table back to the stack cause 888 constantly thinks action is needed. I also created a new table ini and the table size is now table_width=748 table_height=540. Still is the same problem. The 888 does not move back to the grid no matter what happens. Any chance you will look into this via teamviewer? I will pm you my skype just in case.
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02-10-2014 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by greg nice
Which option? Within SaT or within 888 ?
I meant that I unchecked the stealing focus when action is required option on both poker clients so that they dont interfere with SAT.
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02-11-2014 , 06:51 AM
I'm using a table mod and party, and I when I run S&T I get two problems:
a) the chatbox 'flickers'
b) the betting buttons aren't visible unless I scroll over them with the mouse.

Any ideas?
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02-11-2014 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by risk2Dupside
I'm using a table mod and party, and I when I run S&T I get two problems:
a) the chatbox 'flickers'
b) the betting buttons aren't visible unless I scroll over them with the mouse.

Any ideas?
Yep. This problem is mentioned on the help page for party:
http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/help/partypoker

Hopefully you have Windows Vista/7/8. You need to turn on Aero theme in the control panel and then change to Scan Mode = DWM in SaT's advanced options
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02-11-2014 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by greg nice
Ah.. then yea sounds like its not gonna work. When you're not in a hand, is the button area where the fold/call/bet buttons normally would be, is that area black too?
nope, background is NOT black (but its not always the same color)
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02-11-2014 , 11:49 PM
I'm happy to see this twoplustwo forum. I can't get on the SaT forum because an activation email has not been sent. When I press the help key on the SaT site, it just takes me to a google search engine.
I loved my trial period and I'm very eager to give you money but I can't seem to do it. When I type in all my information and verify that it is correct, I get the following message:

"Your customer information could not be processed on the current order."

Can someone please help
Thanks
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02-12-2014 , 12:15 AM
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nope, background is NOT black (but its not always the same color)
No idea then sorry.. and I don't remember anyone trying it on PKR before either
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02-12-2014 , 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by yukoncpa
I'm happy to see this twoplustwo forum. I can't get on the SaT forum because an activation email has not been sent.
Have you checked your spam folder? In any case, you don't need to register to post on the SaT forums if you don't want to. You can just type in any name and post as a guest.

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I loved my trial period and I'm very eager to give you money but I can't seem to do it. When I type in all my information and verify that it is correct, I get the following message:

"Your customer information could not be processed on the current order."

Can someone please help
Thanks
There may be a problem with my payment processor who accepts the creditcards. Is that the full message?
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02-12-2014 , 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by greg nice
Have you checked your spam folder? In any case, you don't need to register to post on the SaT forums if you don't want to. You can just type in any name and post as a guest.



There may be a problem with my payment processor who accepts the creditcards. Is that the full message?
Thanks for replying so quickly. Ha, I love your software so much that I don't even want to play without it! Yes, that is the whole message. Can I call you on the phone or something and give you my credit card number? P.M. me if there is something else I can do.
P.S. I signed up as Jackntigger on your forum. Maybe there is just a delay in my email
Thanks
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02-12-2014 , 12:34 AM
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Thanks for replying so quickly. Ha, I love your software so much that I don't even want to play without it! Yes, that is the whole message. Can I call you on the phone or something and give you my credit card number? P.M. me if there is something else I can do.
P.S. I signed up as Jackntigger on your forum. Maybe there is just a delay in my email
Thanks
you got PM
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02-12-2014 , 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by greg nice
you got PM
Hey thank you for your help. On the third try with my credit card, it seemed to work just fine.
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02-12-2014 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by yukoncpa
Hey thank you for your help. On the third try with my credit card, it seemed to work just fine.
Great to hear. Maybe the payment processor was having technical difficulties. If you need any more help just let me know.

Many customers say the same thing, that they cannot play without SaT. Glad to have another!
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02-23-2014 , 12:31 PM
Is there any way to make it so i can control whatever table i click on instead of it being thrown back into the background?
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02-23-2014 , 05:40 PM
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Is there any way to make it so i can control whatever table i click on instead of it being thrown back into the background?
Probably. I'm not sure when you're clicking, or where the table is, and why its being thrown in the background. Can you elaborate on what your settings are, and give more details on what you're trying to accomplish?
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02-24-2014 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by greg nice
Probably. I'm not sure when you're clicking, or where the table is, and why its being thrown in the background. Can you elaborate on what your settings are, and give more details on what you're trying to accomplish?
Yeah, I shouldn't try to post questions while I'm grinding...my bad.

First, I use the stack only setting and use hotkeys to move the tables I want aside into a 6 square grid. What I meant in my first post was when there is action on one table I can't click on any other table until I act on that table, including hand history replayers. I would like to be able to click on another table and either drag it or use a hotkey to put it in the grid, instead of having to wait for that table to come back through the cycle. Also, is there a auto sit back in setting?
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02-24-2014 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by suspectdevice
First, I use the stack only setting and use hotkeys to move the tables I want aside into a 6 square grid. What I meant in my first post was when there is action on one table I can't click on any other table until I act on that table, including hand history replayers. I would like to be able to click on another table and either drag it or use a hotkey to put it in the grid, instead of having to wait for that table to come back through the cycle.
Hrmm.. still not sure what you mean.. Are you wanting to click on another table in the stack that is underneath the top table that requires action? Or are you trying to click over to a table in the grid? Or is the table in the grid the one that requires action and you're trying to click back to the top stack table? But in any case, you should be able to click away from any table that requires action, to click on another, or another window such as replayer or web browser. Obviously you won't be able to click on tables underneath at the bottom of the stack because they aren't visible on your screen.

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Also, is there a auto sit back in setting?
Unfortunately no. You should use the Old Tables feature which should handle sitting out tables by moving the tables to a specific slot where you can check and see whats going on.
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02-25-2014 , 11:12 PM
Hi Greg, I was playing exclusively on ACR today ( Winning Network ) and if I timed out, my seat would say inactive and my hands would automatically be thrown away. The problem is that the inactive table would be buried at the bottom of the stack and never pop onto the grid causing me to be blinded out. On my client, I have "auto switch between tables" turned off (unchecked). In SaT under Layout > Move to Grid, I have "When Action Required" checked.
I need the inactive tables to be prioritized for immediate action. What can I do to fix the problem? Should I check, "When dealt cards," instead? I'm just looking at the various options right now, so when I was playing, I can't remember if an inactive table even got dealt cards. I think they did if I remember. Hopefully you've seen this problem and there is a simple fix.
Thanks
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02-26-2014 , 03:19 AM
I figured it out, was looking for the "activate table under mouse".
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02-26-2014 , 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by suspectdevice
Yeah, I shouldn't try to post questions while I'm grinding...my bad.

First, I use the stack only setting and use hotkeys to move the tables I want aside into a 6 square grid. What I meant in my first post was when there is action on one table I can't click on any other table until I act on that table, including hand history replayers. I would like to be able to click on another table and either drag it or use a hotkey to put it in the grid, instead of having to wait for that table to come back through the cycle. Also, is there a auto sit back in setting?
An auto sit back in setting would be great for me too. I'm playing mostly on the winning network.
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02-26-2014 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by yukoncpa
Hi Greg, I was playing exclusively on ACR today ( Winning Network ) and if I timed out, my seat would say inactive and my hands would automatically be thrown away. The problem is that the inactive table would be buried at the bottom of the stack and never pop onto the grid causing me to be blinded out. On my client, I have "auto switch between tables" turned off (unchecked). In SaT under Layout > Move to Grid, I have "When Action Required" checked.
I need the inactive tables to be prioritized for immediate action. What can I do to fix the problem? Should I check, "When dealt cards," instead? I'm just looking at the various options right now, so when I was playing, I can't remember if an inactive table even got dealt cards. I think they did if I remember. Hopefully you've seen this problem and there is a simple fix.
Thanks
SaT determines if a table needs "action" when the Fold button becomes visible. If you have timed out on a table, then then you will probably see a "sit back in" button but never see a Fold button. If the "sit back in" button is the same color as the Fold button and in the same place, then sometimes SaT will mistakenly think that action is required and move the table into the grid, and in your case, this SaT mistake would actually be good for you, because then you can see that you've sat out

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An auto sit back in setting would be great for me too. I'm playing mostly on the winning network.
As mentioned a few posts above, there is unfortunately no auto sit back in feature in SaT.

However, the workaround that SaT uses is the 'Old Tables' feature. There are some descriptions on the help pages such as here:
http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/help/table-types

Basically, SaT looks to see if a table requires action by looking for the Fold button. Then, SaT will keep track of how long it has been since the last time you've needed action. By default it is 5 minute. And if the same table hasn't required action again after 5 minutes, then SaT will move the table to the 'Old Table slot' setting. You can configure it and change it if you think 5 minutes is too long or short. Try that out and test it by sitting out and see if it works properly

I suppose you could try using "When dealt cards" setting, but I don't know if it will help your problem. For that mode, SaT looks for the visibility hold card, but when you're sitting out, I don't know if the site will show your hole card while you're sitting out, and if it does, it might only show it for a split second and then insta fold and they will disappear. This might be too fast for SaT to see them
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02-27-2014 , 02:36 PM
ATTN WinningPoker (WPN) users

Apparently WPN has put out an update which has broken SaT. I will try to get an update out within the next few days.

In the meantime, see this thread for a fix:
http://www.stackandtile.com/forum/sh...ad.php?tid=753
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