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Old 08-24-2009, 04:45 PM   #151
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SNG Wiz Malfunction

Recently when using SNG Wiz whether in the quiz mode or reviewing a tournament I've been getting some RIDICULOUS readings that make absolutely no sense, been using it for a few months with no problems but after downloading version 197 every new update gives me the same readings, only reason im posting in here is because you have to be 21 to post in the SNG Wiz forum and I'm not one to mess around with lying on the computer. I'd post some of the hand readings but I've been playing for a while now and anyone would agree that no verification of the suggestions would be necessary. I've tried reinstalling previous versions before the 197 and all of them give accurate readings in the quiz mode but wont allow me to import any of my HH's, anyone know why this would be a problem? I'll recreate a hand from the quiz mode that seems to be a very commonplace glitch.

Pokerstars Double or Nothing, 6 players, 100/200, 20a

UTG 1030 Open 25%, shoves AI
UTG+1 6410 fold
CO 1390 fold
BTN 840 fold
SB (Hero) 1980 6d2d
BB 2950 Call 4%

EqP%: 18.98
EqF%: 17.99
Diff%: .99
Edge%: .12
Suggest: Push 100.0 (All) (Obviously NOT a push by any means)

Sorry I had to post it in here but like I said I'd hate to say I'm 21 and find out one day it comes back around to bite me just to post on the SNG Wiz forum
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Old 08-24-2009, 05:34 PM   #152
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Re: SNG Wizard - Collected threads edition

Hi Just wondering if wiz can tell the difference between
situaltions like a;

45 man with 8 players left, so you'd be analyzing 4 handed scenario's

or

45 man with 4 players left, so you'd be in the money analyzing 4 handed scenario's

basicly if youre shorthanded but on the FT bubble does it know your not short handed at the FT
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Old 08-24-2009, 09:19 PM   #153
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Re: SNG Wiz Malfunction

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Recently when using SNG Wiz whether in the quiz mode or reviewing a tournament I've been getting some RIDICULOUS readings that make absolutely no sense, been using it for a few months with no problems but after downloading version 197 every new update gives me the same readings, only reason im posting in here is because you have to be 21 to post in the SNG Wiz forum and I'm not one to mess around with lying on the computer. I'd post some of the hand readings but I've been playing for a while now and anyone would agree that no verification of the suggestions would be necessary. I've tried reinstalling previous versions before the 197 and all of them give accurate readings in the quiz mode but wont allow me to import any of my HH's, anyone know why this would be a problem? I'll recreate a hand from the quiz mode that seems to be a very commonplace glitch.

Pokerstars Double or Nothing, 6 players, 100/200, 20a

UTG 1030 Open 25%, shoves AI
UTG+1 6410 fold
CO 1390 fold
BTN 840 fold
SB (Hero) 1980 6d2d
BB 2950 Call 4%

EqP%: 18.98
EqF%: 17.99
Diff%: .99
Edge%: .12
Suggest: Push 100.0 (All) (Obviously NOT a push by any means)

Sorry I had to post it in here but like I said I'd hate to say I'm 21 and find out one day it comes back around to bite me just to post on the SNG Wiz forum
I'm not sure what the problem is but when I enter this hand in the latest release I get a Diff% of -2.30%. Please try the latest release and contact me by email is you still see the problem.
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Old 08-24-2009, 09:21 PM   #154
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Re: SNG Wizard - Collected threads edition

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Hi Just wondering if wiz can tell the difference between
situaltions like a;

45 man with 8 players left, so you'd be analyzing 4 handed scenario's

or

45 man with 4 players left, so you'd be in the money analyzing 4 handed scenario's

basicly if youre shorthanded but on the FT bubble does it know your not short handed at the FT
The Wizard should be able to tell the difference, but it's easy to check. If you are at the final table you should be using ICM equity mode. If you are not at the final table you should be using chip equity mode. You can tell which mode you are in by looking at the Options link in the upper right hand corner of the game view.
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Old 08-24-2009, 09:51 PM   #155
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Re: SNG Wizard - Collected threads edition

Thank you for the quick reply sngwiz admin, I dowloaded release 201 and still encountered the same problem, my pstars games also load as full table 50 30 20 and even if I change to the correct format I still get the skewed readings, should I try completely removing the software and redownloading? What is the email address I should send to?
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Old 08-25-2009, 02:59 PM   #156
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Re: SNG Wizard - Collected threads edition

just did a update on wiz and it seems to have really messed up.

had a HH with the CL set to raising any two cards and calling only 1% and was showing as -6%. this happened after i did the last update, anyone else having this issue?

another example of it being weird below, its actually becomes more +ev the wider villian calls which is not right



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Old 08-25-2009, 06:52 PM   #157
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Re: SNG Wizard - Collected threads edition

YES this is EXACTLY the problem im having, I'm currently e-maling with the sng wiz admin right now to get this fixed but it doesnt seem like its going to be easy, glad to know im not the only one with this problem, after version 194ive been getting readings like this for weeks, hopefully we can get this all straightened out, but there are many examples in my HH of this exact scenario
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Old 08-25-2009, 09:54 PM   #158
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Re: SNG Wizard - Collected threads edition

Try turning off "SimulateFutureGames" in the program options.
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Old 08-26-2009, 01:15 PM   #159
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Re: SNG Wizard - Collected threads edition

Dennis from SNG Wiz claimed that the future game simulation had been causing some trouble with the calculations recently so he has removed it from the newest version. My problems have complete disappeared, and I want to take the time to thank him for the service he provided. We e-mailed each other over 4 times yesterday and with in 30 minutes of every e-mail I received a quick and straight to the point response. So I want to give a HUGE thank you to the SNG Wiz admin for making what I feel is the most invaluable SNG tool on the internet and to let everyone with similar experiences know that version 202 should be free of all the skewed edge calculations. Thanks again SNG Wiz!
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Old 08-26-2009, 01:22 PM   #160
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SitNGo Wiz Quiz Miscounts?

Has anyone else encountered that the SNG Quiz miscounts your correct answers?

i.e. You will push/fold correctly and it will not count the hand as a correct answer.
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Old 08-26-2009, 01:29 PM   #161
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Re: SNG Wizard - Collected threads edition

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Try turning off "SimulateFutureGames" in the program options.
is this in answer to my query?
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Old 08-26-2009, 03:12 PM   #162
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Re: SitNGo Wiz Quiz Miscounts?

Thats weird, report that on their site.
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Old 08-26-2009, 03:24 PM   #163
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Re: SitNGo Wiz Quiz Miscounts?

It's a quiz without prizes..who'd play those?
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Old 08-26-2009, 05:40 PM   #164
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Re: SNG Wizard - Collected threads edition

Yeah buffy that was actually directed towards you but if you download version 202 simulate future games is completely disabled so you won't have to worry about it either way.
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Old 08-26-2009, 07:10 PM   #165
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Has anyone else encountered that the SNG Quiz miscounts your correct answers?

i.e. You will push/fold correctly and it will not count the hand as a correct answer.
I have not had any problems reported, but you should first make sure you are running the latest release. If you still see a problem, please report it on the sngwiz.com web site.
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Old 09-07-2009, 04:10 PM   #166
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WIZ/HEM

So I'm currently experimenting on just how to review a session in wiz, getting hands from hem, faffing about searching for them blah blah. Straight after a sesh when I open wiz and click open tournament, there's a list of a few of the games I've just played already there, saying they're in my hh folder. They seem to be the exact tourney's in which i opened hhs in, in game. How is this so? how does wiz say they're in my stars hh folder when they're actually imported automatically as we play into hem? Also, a little while later if I want to look again, they disappear. How does this work and anyone got any tips on the most efficient way to dig out hhs to wiz? How do I review games tournament by tournament in wiz when the hands are sat in hem? No doubt simple but I'm a durrr.
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Old 09-08-2009, 05:15 AM   #167
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Question SNG Wizard Review Help

Hi all,

Due to many barrages i have recieved on 2+2 after asking stupid questions i would like to apologise in advance if this is similarily stupid lol

Anyway after reading tons of material I realise that when it comes to optimal Sng play ICM / Wizard rule the roost.

The problem with me is although i sit there reviewing hands and doing the quizes etc nothing seems to be changing ( this is over a period of months )

The thing about me is I dont learn things in that way.. Can anyone give me any tips on how to use this software properly? I now its use varies from player to player but if someone could say " after every session do 1) this 2) that and 3) the other" and you should see results i would be very grateful.

Im just kinda sick staring at my results in wizard moving hand ranges staring some more and not really learning much.

many thanks to anyone who replies
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Old 09-08-2009, 05:27 AM   #168
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Hi all,

Due to many barrages i have recieved on 2+2 after asking stupid questions i would like to apologise in advance if this is similarily stupid lol

Anyway after reading tons of material I realise that when it comes to optimal Sng play ICM / Wizard rule the roost.

The problem with me is although i sit there reviewing hands and doing the quizes etc nothing seems to be changing ( this is over a period of months )

The thing about me is I dont learn things in that way.. Can anyone give me any tips on how to use this software properly? I now its use varies from player to player but if someone could say " after every session do 1) this 2) that and 3) the other" and you should see results i would be very grateful.

Im just kinda sick staring at my results in wizard moving hand ranges staring some more and not really learning much.

many thanks to anyone who replies
There are people who will coach you on the end game of sngs and even how to use sngwiz.
I'll let you guess who one of them is.
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Old 09-08-2009, 06:05 AM   #169
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There are people who will coach you on the end game of sngs and even how to use sngwiz.
I'll let you guess who one of them is.
Hmmm..?? I wonder. haha, well basically i would consider my SNG coach to be Faarcyde although we haven't been able to do much over the last while due to scheduling issues on both sides. The reason i asked originally is because I am starting my sessions again soon and would have liked to have made some advances in the spare time i found myself with.

Thanks for the quick reply though.. I just thought there might be a wiz post or tutorial lying around that i haven't been able to find.

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Old 09-08-2009, 06:50 PM   #170
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Re: SNG Wizard - Collected threads edition

I hope this is the right place for this but I noticed that the payout structure for stars 45 man SnGs is slightly wrong whilst discussing a hand in the MTT forum. The percentages SnGWiz has are 31/21/17/12/9/6/4, which are out by 1 or 2% for a couple of places. The correct percentages when rounded to nearest percent are 31/22/16/11/9/7/4. It might not seem a lot but for the hand in question I did the ICM calculations by hand and the calling range for the BB for a shove to be break-even in a sb vs bb situation when 3 handed was wrong by around 30%. That's a pretty major error when analysing what would seem to be a fairly simple spot.

Incidentally using the correct rounded percentages that I gave it is still out by around 5% for this particular hand when compared to the exact numbers but I guess if SnGWiz doesn't use decimals for the payouts then it can't be more accurate.
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Old 09-08-2009, 10:09 PM   #171
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Re: SNG Wizard - Collected threads edition

The payouts are actually 31, 21.5, 16.5, 12.5, 9, 6, 3.5 so the Wizard payout are as correct as the can be.

I will update the Wizard to allow decimal point accuracy in a future release.
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Old 09-09-2009, 06:30 AM   #172
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It seems the payouts are different for turbos up to $12. All non-turbos and turbos above $12 use the payouts that you mentioned but turbos $12 and below use the ones I gave. I don't know why stars does this but would it be worth adding a separate payout structure for the small turbos into SnGWiz?
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Old 09-09-2009, 09:18 AM   #173
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You can easily create your own custom tournament structure. On the Tools menu, select "User defined tournament structures". Add a new structure and copy from the default 45 man structure. Then change the payouts.
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Old 09-09-2009, 10:03 AM   #174
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Ok, that's cool then. I don't actually own SnGWiz personally and only have the trial at the moment. I just noticed the mistake when replying to someone using it in a thread so thought I'd mention it.
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Old 09-19-2009, 04:20 AM   #175
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Re: SNG Wizard - Collected threads edition

i read somewhere that wiz can now take message board hand history's and load directly into wiz. just tried this with some of the 2+2 hand histories and it doesnt seem to work. anyone else have similar problems with this or am I imaginaing that this can be done?
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