PT4 says I have raked $31 in the `Play Poker` and `View todays hands`.

Is this $31 total for all the pots i have been in, or my total contribution, if thats right shouldnt i be getting 5.5vpp per $1 so like 160vpps?



Also i have another problem, every time i select "get hands whilst playing", it imports ALL my omaha hands again and they get flagged as duplictaes until the new ones appear, but why is it going through every hand ive every played every time i open it?

I'm not aware of any problems with logging into the PokerTracker website - I was able to log in fine. Are you still having problems?


Are you using Vista? It seems that we have a general problem with Vista (see a couple of posts above yours).


The general "Rake" stat in PT4 is the amount of money taken as rake from pots which you won - i.e. the amount of rake you actually paid.
If you want your "contributed" rake then you will need to use the "Rake Contributed" stat instead. You can see definition of any stat by going to Configure > Statistics.

The 'Move Processed Files To' option (Configure > Sites & Import Options > Preferences) should be enabled by default, and when you stop importing that should move the hand history files away, but some sites lock the files while the tables (or even the lobby) are open so you may need to close the tables down before stopping the import for that to work correctly.


--WhiteRider

Sorry if this has been asked but I am looking for HUD stats for reacting to cbets IP and OOP (fold, raise etc). Also c/f flop as PFR and bet flop vs missed cbet?
Thanks, liking the software so far getting the right stats is the only thing I need before switching over full time

For any postflop stat, once you add that to your HUD, you can then change the "Has Position" value in the Item Properties section to In Position or Out of Position on the street the stat is for. This will get you reactions to any stat in and out of position.

"Check/Fold flop as PFR" is called Fold to F Float Bet and "bet flop vs missed cbet" is called Float Flop.

Perfect thanks

do i miss something? i thought float = calling an opponent’s bet on the flop (floating the flop), and then betting after being checked to on the turn.

Although that is often what people refer to as a "float", in stat terms we don't know what the intention of that call is. We only know that the intention was to bet if the aggressor checks the next street when they actually do that. At that point we can count the percentage of times which the "floater" bets, which is what the "Float xxx" stats are in PokerTracker. Strictly speaking this definition only allows for a float bet on the turn (if the flop CBettor didn't CBet again on the turn) or river, but we added Float Flop to count the situation asked about above - when the preflop aggressor fails to CBet the flop, how often does a player bet in position.

--WhiteRider

What if i dont want PT4 to move my HH files somewhere else? I find it easier to back them up if they stay in one folder?

No, this has been resolved. Thanks.

Leaving the HH files in the original folder means that they have to be re-read every time you start the import, which will cause problems.
The files are all moved to the same folder (although you can choose to split that by site and/or date via the menu Configure > Reporting Options) so you can just backup that folder instead of the original HH folder.
Another reason is that most sites remove HH files after a certain period of time, and that would mean that the original files were lost.
You can turn that option off if you like, but then you will need to move the files to your backup manually every time in order to avoid delays when you start importing.

--WhiteRider

In the tourny tab/results tab how do i edit the "overview" stats to the left of the graph, I would like to add $/Tourny, and move around the order of some of the other stats.

That stat area is not editable.

i got pt3 through partypoker while the buy it now and get pt4 when its out thing was going. so can i now upgrade for free

Will Pokertracker 4 be able to detect the buy-in for tournaments on the Boss Media network?

PT3 licenses acquired through Party Poker are addressed on a case by case basis, it depends on the version of PT3 you received from Party (or due to Party) and when the purchase (or reward) occurred. When we start selling PokerTracker 4 this will be automatically calculated for you. Since this is a case by case issue, and also since we haven't announced upgrade pricing yet, I think it is best that we wait until PT4 is released before determining what the options are in your unique situation.

PT3 detects some tournament formats for IPN (Boss Media) already, if there are any tournaments that you play regularly that are not detected please let us know by submitting a ticket, along with sample hand histories so we can add the tournament type to our detection engine.

- TT

Ok I might see if I can submit a ticket there. I used to have a login back in the days of PT2 but I forget what it was.

Anyway fwiw I'm playing Fixed Limit Heads UP Sngs. PT3 detects the tournament but it doesn't detect the buy-in, HEM 2 doesn't either as afaik it's not written into the Hand history.

Click here to recover an old account (if it exists) for support.

You have just stumbled on to the biggest problem with auto detection of tournaments, most poker sites do not provide enough information in the hand history for us to determine the buyin or even the game time. Boss is an exaple of a network that provides very little info, there isnt much we can do about that. In some cases we can detect some tournaments, but not all... we are at the mercy of the poker sites. Whenever possible we request more information to be added to the hand history format, along with tournament summaries, but the sad truth is this is a very low priority for most poker rooms.

My advice is to take a screen capture of every tournament lobby that you participate in, then write down the details at the end of the tournament, including anything that was a net positive or negative for your ROI like rebuys, satellite wins, and bounties. You may want to take this screen capture at the end of the tournament so you know finishing position and total entries in the event. Once your session is over you then stop importing and manually enter in all the missing details, its a pain but it must be done to assure your win rate is accurate.

Sorry I don't have a better solution, at least now you know why this is the case. On the bright side PokerTracker has the best tournament detection system in the business, but as you can see we can only detect if there is enough information for us to determine what tournament type it is.

- TT

Downloaded the Beta a couple of days ago and so far been enjoying it immensely. The automatic note taking thing is awesome IMO. Will let you guys know if I encounter anything strange but so far, so good. KUTGW guys.

I've been playing around with the HUD tonight while waiting for a HUD zoom fix for vista and while creating new popups i noticed one thing, you guys are missing 4bet range, unless 4bet ratio is the same thing as 4bet range?
Also, if for example i take the stats "4Bet Preflop" then change position from "All Positions -> Early (EP)" will it mean that in the popup it will be like a 4bet by position EP?

i cannot edit my last post again, sorry
there's a bug in the popup creating, we cannot delete a line that we created, even if the option is there it's not working.

To delete a line in the HUD profile editor use the - button on the right hand side of the row and then click Delete Line. The process is different in the Positional Popup Editor, in this interface you select the stat which populates the row and then click the - button. There is no known bugs, how did you attempt to delete the line?

An opponents range cannot be calculated by a stat, I know many people have claimed to create a stat which displays range but its impossible (except for your own range). A tracker can only determine actual holdings, not range (and even then we don't always know actual holdings if the poker site does not include it in the hand history).

4Bet + Ratio is calculated as PFR * 4+Bet % When Raising / 100. This statistic is intended to show what percentage of all hands a player is willing to 4+Bet with given that he raised. For example, a player with a PFR of 20 and a 4Bet of 5 raises 20% of hands, and 4 Bets 5% of those; 20 * 5 / 100 = 1. Thus this player has been shown to 4+Bet 1% of his hands.

Formula: (Number of Times Raised Preflop / (Number of Hands - Number of Walks)) * (Number of Times Player 4Bet or Higher After Raising Preflop / Number of Times Player Could Defend Against a 3Bet After Open Raising Preflop)

To find the definition of any stat, select Statistics from the Configure menu. You can use the very handy search box to get a listing of all the available stats as shown below, the definition is found on the right. This feature is also used to create your own custom stats if you want to get experimental, or you can download a stat from our warehouse (available soon).



For a good example of explicit positions take a look at the default HUD profile's Tools popup. In PokerTracker exact position is a property assigned to a stat, we don't use separate stats to accomplish this goal. We also have the In/Out of position property available for all post-flop stats. As you know actual position is not as important post-flop, its more important to know if you are in or out of position, that is why we added this very valuable stat property in PT4.



awwww... thanks!!!

- TT

i'm not one of the beta testers yet, but i read many testers are delighted by the new "automatic note taking".
i'm curious to see details about how this is implemented in pt4.

in which one of the pt4 preview videos is this described AND/OR where else are its details discussed/specified yet..?

PT4 is now in public Beta so you can check it out for yourself! See the announcement post earlier in this thread.

You define a note by enabling a set of filters for the situation you want to check for and this uses the main filter system so the notes can be pretty much any situation you're interested in.
There are quite a few auto notes predefined, so you can see how they are constructed.

--WhiteRider

How to design stats 3Bet vs EP Open, 3Bet vs MP open, 3Bet BB vs SB steal? It seems there are only stats with 2bet...

When pt4 imports the pt3 hands, does it import all the notes as well? If not, is there some way to do that? Do I have to backup/restore the pt3 database in pt4, if so would I lose any functionality in pt4

Thanks