That depends, assuming the problem is the firewall, you should allow the PokerTracker application to bypass the firewall so our application can communicate with remote servers to update data on demand as required for basic functionality.

- TT

Ok ty. My logic fails at some point. I think of floating as calling. Not when villain calls my 3bet in HU and bets when I check to him on 876ss.

Traditional definition of a Float is calling to steal on the next street - but a tracker cannot tell if the intention exists; hence we use a different definition of float that is based on the same original concept.

- TT

Still doing it after updating to the newest version of PT, Allowing PT through my firewall and restarting my computer multiple times now.

Any other suggestions?

Thanks again!

Have also just Rebuild Cache and it still does the same thing

I believe based on our conversation on the PT4 forums we have a ticket and logs from you now - we'll work out the problem there, it'll be easier than continuing here in this forum.

- Kraada

Hi, I'd like to have a stat: fold to 5bet after 4bet. I'm not sure if stat which I have now: " fold to 5bet+" means exactly the same.

Visit the PokerTracker Download Warehouse an search for Fold to PF5Bet after 4Bet

Percentage of the time that a player folded to a 5Bet (or higher) given that they made a 4bet preflop. Formula: Number of Times Player Folded to a 5Bet After 4Betting Preflop / Number of Times Player Could Fold to a 5Bet after 4Betting Preflop


- TT

Hey, I'm wondering why there is such a difference in my tournament results and my tournament statistics?

I've been playing 180mans at Pokerstars and this is what PT4 looks like:



When I create a hand report, it only shows the 748 hands that are in the stats tab, whereas I've played over 3000 hands or so. As a side note, when I double click a tourney in the results tab, the hands where I didn't win or lose any chips don't show up.

Is this normal?

Thanks!

EDIT: I think I just had a brain wave moment. Would this problem be to do with the fact that I had to purge and re-import all of my tournaments recently? I'm guessing I lost my stats if I could only import the results... hmm. I think.

This looks like you have a filter enabled created when you drilled down into the data in this report on the Statistics page. You should see some red text here, click "Remove all filters and return to root" to remove the filter.

To verify this assumption, you can change to a report other than the Overview report in both Statistics and Results to confirm.

- TT

How reliable is CNET adjusted in 6max SnG? I have 1000 tournaments which leads to around 22k hands and it is a rollercoster.

If I enable blind filter for hands there will be huge difference in cnet and cnet adjusted in every blind. I will be losing -100$ in this blind level and cnet adjusted tells me I am losing -10$. Then I check another blind level and I am winnning 200$ but cnet adjusted tells me I am 50$. It's like this for every blind level.

Also I really can't wrap my head around how it works. If I go into a coinflip situation then I will be losing money based on CNET adjusted due to ICM and rake. 500 chips is worth 1.50 but 1000 chips is not worth 3.00$

Also if I get into 2 coin flips I will win twice 1 out of 4 times and I will get knocked out 3 times (perfect scenarion with 500 and 1000 chips and 6 and 3 players left) but the max I can receive is 5.44$ with first place (which is not guaranteed) so I will be essentially losing at least 0.56$ per 4 coin flips in perfect scenario.

Also can I check CNET adjusted for specific hand or tournament in poker tracker? I can't seem to find this option.

Im running v4.12.1 and when I play Omaha H/L tournaments low equity is not being factored in.

In the following hand PT4 gives me 70% equity as it would be in PLO but in Omaha H\L I have around 63% equity.

PokerStars - $6.71+$0.29|10/20 Ante 2 NL Hi/Lo (6 max) - Omaha Hi/Lo - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 25 BB
SB: 25 BB
BB: 25 BB
UTG: 25 BB
MP: 25 BB
Hero (CO): 25 BB

6 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.1 BB) Hero has A 6 A 4

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 24.9 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 21.9 BB and is all-in

Flop: (51.9 BB, 2 players) 4 9 5

Turn: (51.9 BB, 2 players) J

River: (51.9 BB, 2 players) 5

As above, PT4 is giving Omaha Hi only equities, when I'm playing Hi/Lo. Please fix fast!

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Very reliable, provided that PokerTracker knows the payout structure and you are at the final table (or a single table tournament).

caveat - there might be a bug with Omaha h/l equity calculations as described in the post above, we were just notified of this and are looking into this to see if it can be confirmed)

This appears logical to me. Net Adjusted Winnings is a complicated topic, it is a measurement of pizza pool expectation - however you cannot ever meet expectation because you only earn the prize when you come in first place, or bust out of the tournament - which means expectation cannot be reached.

I am afraid your example doesn't make sense to me because the ICM value of each chip is dependent on the total prize pool, the number of players remaining, and the size of your stack. Also there is no rake in SNGs, rake is per hand. Its best to describe the stack sizes and prize pool payout structure, without this information we cannot perform the manual calculations to compare to what Pokertracker is reporting. We recommend that you submit a support ticket with the relevant hand histories and tournament summary, attached to a PokerTracker Support Ticket on our website. Include your own calculations to compare with thePT4 calculated results if you disagree - we can review your calculations and provide feedback accordingly.

All-in equity is included by default in all hand history reports in PT4. You can add any other adjusted stat including ICM related stats manually by right clicking the report, then select Configure Report. We suggest you use these numbers instead of the graph which is an adjusted and weighted representation of the results. We also sugest you review the All-In Equity side found here, it will help you understand how the calculations are performed, and why this is a measurement of expectation - not a measurement of luck or skill : https://www.pokertracker.com/guides/...-equity-graphs

- TT

I agree, this does not appear to be correct. In my own tests the equity calculator was only reporting high results using PT 4.12.1. I have notified our team members & our developers will investigate to confirm.

- TT

Hi,

I have a question regardin PT4.

As you can see in the image I have importet 660 hands, but the program still do not show me the hands.

What do I wrong?

Many thanks for your help!

UPDATE: This is a confirmed bug in 4.12.1. Our developers have already checked in a fix to be included in our next release - assuming the tests for the fix go as planned. Thanks for notifying us!

- TT

You enabled a filter for tagged hands. Disable this filter and you may see your missing hand data. I say "may" because its possible that there are other factors affecting you as well, such as the difference between date the hand histories were recorded and today's date.



- TT

I am having trouble understanding how does CNET and CNET adjusted work in Poker Tracker 4.

This is my situation.

Graph 1 is showing CNET and CNET adj. over 100 hands.


Between hand 909 and 950 I was all-in with Q6o vs 99. I have won this all-in, yet I see only a straight line as if nothing changed.

Between hands 975 and 980 I called an all-in from a shortstack with A8s, he had K2o. I have won this all-in and my CNET and CNET adjusted values increased. Hands for first graph come from multiple tables so you see the drop that you see comes from another table and is not relevant to this situation. The hands that I am talking about on the other hand came from the same table.

After I have won this all-in the other player left and was sitting out so I was min-raising until I have won the tournament. At the end of tournament I lost in value with CNET adjusted and won in CNET. I have won the tournament without going all-in.




My questions:
- Does Poker Tracker CNET and CNET adjusted take value from steals or they only look at all-in situations. Shouldn't my ICM value drop or increase after every hand due to the differences blinds make?
- Does CNET adjusted reduce your value in multi-streaks. For example if you are all-in early and you are 4 to 1 underdog (pocket pair vs pocket pair rounded). If you get lucky and win this all-in and then win the tournament would you be winning 1/4 of the prize or would you be winning entire prize?

My Currency Net Won is the total amount of actual winnings - it only goes up (or down) at the end of a tournament when you win money (or lose your buy-in).

My Currency Net Adjusted goes up or down inside of a tournament when you're involved in an all-in hand that can be adjusted for accurately using ICM analysis. That means the hand is at the final table (or in a single table tournament) and we know the payout structure of the tournament - without that we can't calculate the value of any given chip. It also needs every player who called every all-in to have reached showdown. If any player who called an all-in later folded we cannot properly adjust as there was a player who had equity in the pot who surrendered that equity and we can't possibly know how to adjust for that mystery equity. So in those cases we won't adjust at all.

When we can adjust we adjust by the difference in your expected ICM result and your actual ICM result. You can see these values in the ICM Hand stats built into PT4 - add them to any Hand report by right clicking the report and choosing Configure Report and searching for ICM.

-Kraada

Can you explain to me why CNET adjusted went down after I won the tournament even though I won it by beating an AFK player? Do you mean that CNET adjusted is not showing correct value at the end?

fix this asap please!!! same database same filter but pt4 shows unreal result. i checked out the hands in BB and there are a lot of hands on bigger eff size than 20bb.

You still had all-in situations against him even if he was folding everything else, and how the cards fell in those cases affect your adjusted result even if it was a foregone conclusion that yes eventually you would win one of them.

This is expected behavior. When a player is in the big blind and gets a walk he has no action and thus can neither win nor lose any money for an effective stack of 0. If you change your filter to a minimum of 0.01BB as a stack size you'll see more of what you're looking for I think.

- Kraada

i changed, now i have 9900 hands on sb and 7332 (-11b/100 -9evbb/100) on bb. its still not correct. the volume of hands should be much closer like in hm2

Can you provide us with an example hand that is or is not triggering the filter in PT4 vs HM2? We would need proof to take action, an assumption of an error is not enough for us to act on since we cannot determine if HM2 or PT4 is accurate in this situation.

1) Its possible that HM2's filter is flawed but we have no evidence so far that it is.

2) Its possible that PT4's filter is flawed but we have no evidence so far that it is.

3) Its possible that your data import was flawed in some manner that would be impossible for us to measure with HM2 or PT4 without a total re-import in both apps. "triggers" for filters are placed during import stage, if the trigger was not set properly during import then the hand will not be included in the filter (or conversely the wrong hands could be added).

We understand how this is frustrating to you, but we need more than "should be much closer like in hm2" - any evidence you can provide for specific hands will help us greatly.

- TT