We agree, that is why we proposed this discussion to see what players prefer for the default.

This order was rejected for the default HUD, however it is very easy to customize the default HUD to change to this order, it should only take a few minutes to prepare once PokerTracker 4 is released.

We have not announced the release date yet. Our hand selected alpha testers have given us so much food for thought that it has required more development time than originally planned to deliver the public beta. Everyone who is working with us on the alpha agrees that when is not the important issue - the #1 priority is to deliver the best possible product we can, regardless of the time that is required to achieve this goal (within reason of course). With that said, I predict a beta will be available within the next few months, if not sooner - but this is only a prediction and is subject to change.

In Full ring games, EP1, EP2 & EP3 are combined, the same applies to MP1 2 & 3. The general feedback we have received from our users is that they do not want more granular positioning than this, in fact we have received requests to make sure we do not break down into EP1, EP2, EP3, etc because it would be too tasking for in-game analysis. Additionally each position added may require an increase in database overhead - hence we have chosen to stick with EP MP CO BUT SB BB for PT4, breaking down EP and MP further will not be included in PT4.

This is a design topic, not a development one - no worries! Of course our users are free to alter the design in their own HUDs and change the layout of positions as they see it, but we have learned that the majority of users would prefer to just "plug and play" when they install PokerTracker 4 without having to customize their HUD. Currently the EP - > BUT positioning appears to be the favorite, unless we see a change in feedback that will likely become the default HUD order.

PS: Yes, there will be other built-in and downloadable HUDs in addition to the default ;-)


An Alias is created by taking your screen names from multiple sites and combining them into one master screen name so all of your play data is visible at the same time. I do not see why you would want to mix multiple aliases together though, can you please elaborate?

The My Hands report shows all hands as they occur and is automatically updated while you are playing, this report is unique in that it will always know who the hero is, so you don't have to select a player to view the results. My Hands also keeps a running tally of winnings for the day, I think this will accomplish your request - if not please let me know.

As for the table session time, I am looking into that, will report back shortly. Good question!

I discovered that both PT3 & PT4 match the table session end time frame that is used by PokerStars, unfortunately how the end of a session is determined will not be a customizable setting in PT4. I also learned that our biggest tracking software competitor uses the same model to define when a session ends - this appears to be a good standard that is used rather than an arbitrary length of time. We have heard the request for shorter periods of time such as your request, but after some careful thought we felt it was best to continue to match the PokerStars time frames. Sorry for the bad news - at least now you know why we made this choice. We hope you understand why we made this compromise, and that it doesn't interfere with your game analysis. Good luck at the tables!

- TT

I'm sorry, maybe that was mentioned earlier in the thread and I didn't catch it. This is exactly what I'm looking for. Is there a way to display all of my data from multiple sites in PT3? Regardless, looking forward to PT4!

it's much easier to say "oh, no need to rush, get it perfect" when you are an hand-picked alpha tester who already has the product!

of course if it barely works then yeah take your time and get it fixed - I myself was posting similar last time around - but if the biggest issue is design of the filter dialog or how to order positional hud stats in the default layout then

It's perhaps worth mentioning given the forum we are in the often talked of "third party developers" - The shorter a beta period PT3 has, the less of a chance these guys have to do much. HEM2 has been out in beta for quite some time now and I'm sure some people (at least 1 lol) have been checking out it's database schema and toying with ideas, whether for personal or public projects. While PT4 is essentially "Top Secret".

if UTG and EP3 aren't even separated in the database this is surely a huge mistake worthy of redevelopment. I am however hoping this is another "default hud" issue and it will of course be possible to uniquely identify UTG in reports, stats and custom hud profiles. "too tasking for in-game analysis" is just lol. have you seen e.g. Steel108's custom PT3 hud? some people are capable of more in game analysis than others ldo. again disregard if this is only a "default settings" type thing.

well this is good to hear. I still suggest that this should be a simple setting that can be changed within the same hud profile though. that is is the positional stats are "one big block grouped together" style I'm imagining. and to include a SB / BTN / CO / HJ ... setting for the SNG / crowd.

HEM1 session time elapsed between defining a new session is configurable via a text editor iirc.

You can find the instructions here: http://goo.gl/JATlT

To quote Orson Wells, we will serve no wine, before it's time. We know people want it tomorrow, but nobody really wants something that is no finished cooking... it will be worth the wait, in the meantime we are continuing to sell and fully support PT3, we are not ignoring those users!

Default HUD design is one of the finishing steps in development, it may not be evident from where you are sitting but we cannot finalize HUD design until after all stats, reports, filters, and reports are finished. I think that is a clue to the stage of development we are in, you can extrapolate from there I'm sure...

PT4 is still an alpha product, once we go beta then everyone - including developers - will have the chance to play with it. When we enter beta we will be (hopefully) delivering a near-finished application which just needs regression testing to find undiscovered bugs and UI errors that were previously not noticed before release. This will be a night and day experience from what was encountered when PT3 was released, we learned from that experience and this time we will (hopefully) not make the same errors.

Take a look around at our competition because they also do not separate UTG and EP3 - its not a good thing to do, it just makes playing harder for the majority of users - and that is something we strive to avoid. We are working with some of the most respected poker players around on this alpha, the team was hand picked and we have not disclosed any of their names but I can confirm that we speak with steel108 about PT4 regularly to make sure his needs are met. The image below is from steel108's custom PT3 HUD featuring custom stats he created, notice that there is only one EP stat. If however you insist on adding these stats in PT4 then you are free to create the custom stats needed to do so, in fact many of these stats were already created for PT3 and are stored in the repository - http://goo.gl/MQ7vw. And with that said, only PokerTracker gives you the power to create these custom stats... you cannot do that with any of our competitors, not even in their new releases.




Expecting users to change configurable settings via text editor isn't how we roll We can't please everyone, but we will try our hardest to please the majority. Frankly this is not something the majority cares that much about, they are perfectly happy since the session time matches the same method used by the #1 trafficked poker network. Its hard to argue with PokerStars, they tend to do things right as I am sure you would agree.

Hope I did a good job answering your questions and addressing your constructive criticism, we do appreciate your input even when we disagree, thnx so much for that - and feel free to keep it coming!

IMO, you should add RSS feeds to PT4 blog. This thread is difficult to follow while an RSS feeds would keep us updated as your progress

At the bottom of the blog page u can find a big plus sign next to icons for Facebook, Twitter etc - this is the icon for "add-This" - that is where u will find the RSS reader. Add-This is a plugin that allows you to access nearly any social networking resource, we chose to use this for its convenience. I hope that helps!

There's a typo in there somewhere unless this is option 3.

I go for option 1, but with the hopes that the HUD editor is powerful enough to render this discussion academic.

Yes, it should have read SB -> BTN, thnx.

With the HUD editor you can change the order via drag and drop in a matter of minutes. I wouldn't say that it only renders this discussion academic if you have no intention on using the default HUD setup - but we suspect the majority of our users will use the default, or a slightly modified version of the default. I think you would be surprised at how many PokerTracker users are out there - its not just a bunch of highly skilled sharks, players of all walks of life use PokerTracker and we need to cater to all of their needs as equally as we can.

When will you release it to public?

As soon as all development and testing is complete we will release a free public beta, the beta will not be released until we are positive that the majority of bugs have been worked out and that the experience for most users will be as close to seamless as possible. We do not have a fixed time frame for release, we are already 1/2 month past our initial projection when we announced PokerTracker 4 in June but we will keep working hard until the job is done.

+ very niiiice !!!!!

this time it will be possible to get a completely transparent background in the hud?

Yes, it will.

I'm looking forward.

I have PT3 microstakes version and actually want to upgrade to the full version.
Is it better for me to wait and upgrade to PT4 full version instead?
It looks awesome btw.

Depending on when you bought the microstakes version, upgrading PT3 now will either entitle you to a free upgrade to PT4 or entitle you to a free upgrade to the full PT4 when you buy the microstakes version. Either way, any purchases you make now will be valid for PT4 so you won't lose out on anything by upgrading now (or gain by waiting).

--WhiteRider

^ I bought it exactly 2 years ago.
So if I upgrade now to the full PT3, I only have to pay for PT4 microstakes version to get the full PT4?

That is my understanding but I will have to get it confirmed - I'll get back to you...

--WhiteRider

any news, when you´ll release the betaversion ???

regards

I have had this confirmed now. Because you bought PT3-microstakes before June 15th 2011: If you upgrade PT3 to the full version now you will get the upgrade to the full version of PT4 when you purchase the microstakes version of PT4.


We do not have a release date yet - the Beta will be released when it is ready for public use, and not before.


--WhiteRider

PT4 looks good

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