Its so useless that even HEM is calling it beta it should have been in the alpha phase still. Tourney hud is useless for example.

I am going to have to disagree. I bet a lot of people are happy it is out of Alpha phase so we can use the new software. Also, why do you think the HUD is useless for Tourneys? I think the HUD looks excellent and works fine here. Why are you such a hater?

Agreed... HM2 beta is buggy. But that's what I expect from a beta release and I have no doubt the PT4 beta release is also going to create howls of derision. However, none of these bugs will be show-stoppers and both products will improve with time.

Step back for a moment and look at what philosophies drives HM2 and PT4. What are the targets each program has in the cross hairs. If those targets are the same as the target you want addressed, then your selection becomes much easier... no matter what the bug count. At this stage, HM2 does not meet my needs, but I can see the potential. When PT4 beta is released I will do the same analysis.

As users of this type of software we are in an ideal position as both companies are feverishly cutting code trying to put product on the streets. Competition is good, yah?

We do have big plans for the notes system, but I can't go into details yet.

Hud doesnt work for tourneys and crashes every 2nd minute.

I have not had this problem. What site are you playing on?

We would prefer that the current negative discussion of the HM2 beta does not occur in this thread, it is disrespectful to the developers of HM2 for that to occur here - criticism of their products are better suited for HM's own threads. We are competitors in business, but we do actually get along fairly well considering the competition; I would assume that HM2's staff will take the same approach to stopping any excessively negative talk of our product in their threads - it's the ethically correct thing for us both to do.

Both companies are trying to create the best products we can to help the lives of poker players, we should do so on the merits of our own respective work. It is fine to compare PT4's features vs. HM2's features if you wish to, but we do not want to encourage an environment where we built the PT4 following off negative feedback of HM2 - that's just wrong. Some people might say it is good for business, but it is not good for poker and that is what matters the most.

For the record we aren't going to censor this discussion, but we will try our best to discourage it - and we hope you all respect our wishes on this matter.

Thanks for your understanding!

For the record I almost did already, so future bashing of one product without direct relevance / comparisons to similar feature or lack thereof in the other will probably be deleted.

TT: I'm very well aware of if, but I just hope PT4 when released is going to be something I can use from the get go. Thats all.

A free public beta is the process used to help developers find unknown bugs and problematic spots within the user interface. In exchange for gaining pre-release access to the application the end user's 'job' is to help find problems before the application is released commercially.

Of course we are working hard to assure that the most critical functionality is as bug free as possible before we release the beta. During our beta stage it is natural to expect to have some uncompleted features but in general I can attest to the fact that I am using PT4 already day in-day out, as are our alpha testers with very few problems in the areas of the application where the code base is finalized or near final. Our goal is to make sure that the most critical parts of the player experience is as solid as possible before release, and that we do not interrupt with the player in-game experience while the beta process is in action. If we deliver a beta with these basic requirements, then I think you will be very happy!

Will PT4 have the advanced and expanded EV stats that were talked about for future development in PT3?

I'm not sure the exact thread you're referring to - but EV information will be stored in the database and can thus be used in custom statistics in PT4.

How abut some customizing options for the hud? Like a HUD that changes with each street. The user would have to define different huds and set an option per hud on which street it should be shown. Or one could specify differnt font sizes per hud stat so the stats would show in a larger font on those streets (like pf VPIP and PFR, flop fold to Cbet etc).

That would be great!

HUD revisions that alter on a per-street basis are not part of the PT4 spec, we will note the idea for for future consideration though. Thanks for the input!

What about those who purchase PT3 Micro Stakes edition? Will they also get a free upgrade to PT4?

Yes - you will get a free upgrade to the microstakes version of PT4.

ETA for next video?

Within the hour, we are posting it right now actually!

The topic for this preview video will be Equity and ICM calculation tools built into all versions of PokerTracker 4 without the need to purchase a third party add-on application. Even the microstakes versions of PokerTracker 4 will get the same sophisticated ICM calculation tools built into PT4, none of the PT4 users will be left out - and all of this is added into PT4 at no additional charge!

If our vision is correct then the days of having to buy third party apps to do the most basic analysis work will soon be over, PokerTracker 4's goal is top become a fully inclusive platform for post-game analysis.

Sounds great then

As requested - here is Feature Preview Video #3! This video highlights the use of PokerTracker 4's upcoming ICM and Equity calculation features. As always, we need your feedback to make sure we deliver the features that poker players really need, please let us know what you think. The key features shown in this video are listed below, We would appreciate it if you please refer to this list while providing feedback to avoid confusion over terminology. Thanks in advance:

Equity Calculator - Stand Alone & built into the replayer

• Holdem, Omaha high & hi/low equity calculation
• Import/Export of ranges & results
• Holdem hand range tool featuring opponent range modeling

ICM Calculator - Stand Alone & built into replayer

• Custom tournament structures
• Self populating in replayer
• Not limited to 10 players

Tournament Structure Editor

• Flags for tournament speed, Shootout, DON, Bounty, Satellite, Steps, Fifty50, and other common formats

Hand Range Model Editor

• Default models include Hand vs. 3 Randoms (PokerStove) and Sklansky-Karlson
• A hand range model is a method weighting the % of hands selected in a hand range
• Alter range model using Percentile in .05%-100% or Weight from 0 to 168

ICM Opponent Model Editor

• Define your own opponent models for ICM calculation, or override the model using manual hand range selection
• Incorporates the use of Hand Range Models
• Graph points represent effective stack sizes to generate a curve that represents the model's actions at each position and # of players possible

ICM Quiz

• Built in ICM situation trainer
• Customizable quiz parameters including structure, # of hands, position, Hero's range, preferred seat, and # of players
• Opponent models can be altered post-quiz to explore all possible lines

Wow!

So... I have no idea how to use all these new things to my advantage

That looks very impressive.

LOL, don't worry... we are working on creating lots of video and written content to help you. You wont be left in the dark, our job is not complete until we give you the tools you need to learn how to use the new tools ;-)

thats what we were hoping for... thanks guys! but we would also like to get some good feedback if you see spots where we have work to do, we really do want PT4 to be a gaming changing experience for players, your feedback helps us achieve that goal.