Not at release time - there is only limited demand for Stud and Razz. It's something we may revisit down the road, but I haven't yet heard any timescale for Stud/Razz support.

I have two things on my mind..not sure they were mentioned before...

1. Since you are constantly talking to poker players please make sure that the stats you use for PT4 are not "misleading". What I mean by that is that until a few weeks back I did not know that the build in "fold to 3bet pf" stat also counts the times that the button for ecample folds after UTG raised and MP 3bets. IMO this is very misleading. I dont blame PT cause I know there is a PDF/guideline on the site. It just never crossed my mind that when UTG folds in this example this is the "same fold" as for all the players that had to act and folded after MPs 3bet. There is a huge difference between UTG folding and the other folding. So I would really like for you to go over the stats (if you havent done that already) and really make sure they useful cause the build in one isnt really IMO. Also maybe I was too lazy in the past with making sure stats show what I want them to show but since most players are lazy in general you have to take better care of us :-).

2. Not sure how the setup for configuring a HUD for PT4 will be but please make sure that there is also/at least an exact definition what falls into that stat and what not. Something where I can right click on the stats and get more information. Just something I dont have to look somewhere else. Guess you get what I mean....


Otherwise...great job...looking forward to PT4.

We'll be doing our best in PT4 to make things much more clear - these kinds of issues have not been lost on us. There will be more (and hopefully better) explanations within the client of exactly what you're seeing, and the default should be more in tune with what the general player needs to see.

looks awesome from what i've seen so far, can't wait to use it

What were you thinking? And is there a stat that tells me how often a villian folded pf to a 3bet after villian was fi bettor?

Assuming "fi" means "first in", yes that will be a default stat in PT4 and will appear in the default popups labeled appropriately (Fold to PF 3Bet After Raising).

ETA for next video?

I don't have a date at the moment - the person in charge of the videos has been ill so the next one has been delayed. Hopefully it won't be too long!

I know you haven't announced your plans for tournaments and SnGs yet, and would just like to say that it seems SnG players in particular got somewhat screwed if they bought PT3 - by which I mean that there were lots of features that were requested in the PT3 forums and never ever added. Can I suggest that you include:

1) More/Better use of ICM - particularly the "red line" graph that seems to be the only thing SnG players actually care about.

2) Auto-rating of SnG opponents - given that SnGs are absolutely the most "formulaic" form of poker then I would have thought it should be relatively simple to build a ruleset that could at least label players as 'Very Good', 'Very Bad' and 'Somewhere Inbetweeen'.

3) Better review tools - something like SnG Wizard built directly into PT4 would be AMAZING. I'd like to be able to compare the ICM EV of my shove against an estimated calling range for the remaining opponents, and I'd also like to be able to easily compare my estimated range for each player against that player's known hands in similar (stack sizes, position etc) spots.

4) Limited support for Omaha in the Holdem version of PT4 - I don't play enough Omaha to justify buying the full Omaha version, but I do occasionally play an Omaha MTT (on a Sunday, or during SCOOP for example). It would be nice if I could import a limited number of hands of Omaha each month, maybe 1k, without having to buy an extra version. Just charge an extra $5 or so for the Holdem version up front if you're worried about giving away too much value.

5) Fix the labelling of "table type" for SnGs - in PT3, some SnGs are incorrectly labelled as Turbo/SuperTurbo usually where I busted in the first 10 hands.

faster, faster. HEM2 beta released today!!!!

Is there a possibility that PT4 can show HUD stats for villains as total or per table. Something like a button that switches the stats from total to how they are at this table so far. This is just an idea that came to mind a few minutes ago and its certainly up to discussion. Not even sure its really useful but I'm also too tired to think about that now tbh.

PT3->Sessions->Sessions: Details. I can see start and end time, I can see different times but please add STAT HANDS to there. I want to see which time I get most action at HU Tables.

I can't give you full details yet, but most of the things suggested today have at least been discussed by the development team and I'm sure some of them will feature.

ranka - if you click on a cell you can see the number of hands played. I realise this isn't as quick as seeing them in the grid directly, but it will at least let you see the data.
If this is something you're going to want to look at from time to time we could set up a custom report to do the same kind of thing. If you want to try this please start a new thread on the PokerTracker forums and we'll help you out.

As it was previously said, I have been ill. Just getting back on track now, will devliver the video as soon as other pressing work is taken care of. Sorry about that, Ive been coughing since the start of the WSOP, trying hard to get better but my body had other ideas :-(

You will get the ability to demo the Omaha features of PT4 if you purchase PT4 Holdem, but unfortunately it will only be a demo. We had the option of creating a consolidated program but opted against that because it would be too expensive, our "à la carte" method helps keep the cost of PokerTracker very low - I think the majority of our users would prefer it this way.

Can you please contact our support team with some very specific examples? If we have the data we may be able to address this in PT3 immediately, we rely on our users to show us when our tournament detection algorithms are not ideal, we can use your help. Remember each network and tournament type has its own issues, the more details you provide the better we can help.

This may sound crazy, but we do not want to be in a race against HM2. We will be done with PT4 once the software is ready, we want to deliver the perfect solution, rushing would keep us from doing our jobs the way you deserve it to be done. We wont release PT4 until we think it will knock your socks off - and given time, it will!

This was mentioned in the initial press release, we have you covered!

Well, that explains a lot of things. Tbh, PT4 is starting to look a lot less attractive.

Can you explain what your concern with this is, please?
PT4 will integrate holdem and omaha if you have both holdem and omaha licenses (or if you're using the trials) but you do not have to purchase them both if you don't want to.

My concern was generated by *TT*'s words of non-consolidation of holdem and omaha. I read that as meaning there would be 2 distinct programs, not 2 distinct licenses.

Will PT4 have session stats in the hud, easy to switch between session/total? If not, what are the plans for the HUD regarding Anonymous tables?

Cool - I thought that might have been the misunderstanding and I wanted to clear it up. Holdem and omaha will be fully integrated if you have both licenses. If you only have one or the other then you will only be able to import the relevant game type.


To quote *TT*'s last reply: This was mentioned in the initial press release, we have you covered!

My answer was specific to the question that was asked, sorry if in isolation the answer was confusing - that was not my intention. Omaha and Holdem will be in the same application by default but will require a separate license for each game (or a conjoined licence for both Holdem and Omaha) - this is the same policy that we use for PT3, nothing is changing in this reguard. The big difference in PT4 however is the elimination of walled off data between the two games, now all the data can be integrated into one master report or filtered to just your requested game type as shown in the screen capture below.

I absolutely understand why you would want to do it this way, but I would think that my suggestion (having the Holdem license allow a small number of Omaha hands to be imported every month, and vice versa) would make a non-trivial number of your single-license customers happy without costing you a significant number of dual-license customers.

Did you collect any usage information from PT3? If so, did it suggest that you sell a lot of second-game-licenses to people who then go on to import < 1k hands per month of the second game, on average?

Just something to think about.

This is long overdue, and a huge step in the right direction imo. Someone deserves an 'attaboy'.

Another idea came to mind.

Is it possible to create some sort of rules for certain tendencies that appear as notes in the HUD. What I mean by that is for example that I create a rule thats assign every player I have 5k hands on and that is cbetting 75% of flops but only 35% or less on the turn a note like "cbets once and gives up". And this note will show up somewhere in the HUD/popup but maybe even in an extra box. Like a note box for own notes and a note box when certain rules apply right next to it.

Just an idea...pretty sure this might be very useful but not sure how easy that is to implement and also if its even allowed on the pokersites (but since auto rating is allowed I dont see the problem at least on that end).

HEM2 beta is full of baby sickness and kinda useless if you ask me, please do not do the same mistake.

First off, im not a HM represented or w/e, in fact i used to use PT3 over HEM. Looking forward to try PT4 as well and expect a lot from it.

Now, HEM2 is not a live version. Its meant to have a ton baby sicknesses. Hence alpha/beta stage testing. If you dont like it, dont download/try it...... Seems like a very mean post towards any developer and there work to react in a way like that.