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Old 10-02-2014, 12:07 PM   #201
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Re: PokerRanger

Hi,

qetou: We will fix this soon.

Mirthall: Thank you for your feedback, we see the value of the shortcuts and selector improvements and will consider it for future updates!

Generally:
We found out that Windows XP is no longer supported by our new libraries. Since using older libraries has disadvantages for developing the software and for the software quality, we will no longer support Windows XP for future updates.

However, version 1.18.2 is downloadable from now on again. You can use that with Windows XP, until you switch to a later operating system. After starting, you should cancel the update request, unless you use Windows Vista or later.

We hope, you can live with this decision. Other bugs will be fixed very soon.

All the best,
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Old 10-02-2014, 07:08 PM   #202
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Re: PokerRanger

How can I put the Equity Matrix table to good use?

Will it help me with practicing the range balancing and frequency approach to poker?
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Old 10-03-2014, 09:12 AM   #203
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Hi RFoley03,

the equity table can be used to get an overview of the equity distribution hand-wise (as opposed to the equity distribution tab, where you can see it for all hands but as a graph and not for each hand pointed out). For example, an equity of 50% of range1 vs. range2 might result because each hand of range1 has 50% equity or it may emerge because range1 has some hands with 20% equity and others with 80% equity.

One conclusion is that it shows the variance of your equity. Another is that you can see the variance of villain's equity, if you only have one hand and villain has a range. If the variance of villain's range is quite high, then hand reading errors are more of a problem: If one part of villain's range is actually more present (e.g. the hands with 20% equity) than another part (e.g. the hands with 80% equity) than in your estimate, the total equity changes a lot.

If all of the hands have about 50% equity, then some more or fewer hands do not count that much.

There are other and deeper interpretations that can be used with this matrix. For example, sthief09 on deucescracked has some videos for that idea. When you create ranges against villain's ranges, you should view this matrix and think if your constellation serves your overall plan with that range.

Those are only ideas. I am no poker coach but work for PokerRanger. I know from many users that they use this tab and get great results and improvements in their game. Details about that should be found in videos, can be found out via coachings or are up to your own creativity.

Hopefully, I could help you with that. If you have other questions, please feel free to ask them!

Have a nice day,
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Old 10-03-2014, 09:53 AM   #204
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Re: PokerRanger

Hi Eisflamme,

thank you for keeping improving your tool! About the Equity Table tab, when you fullscreen PokerRanger, I believe there is space enough for displaying both players's matrix and charts. That would be the point! Also, as an extra add, if you could select some of the hands and group/ungroup them for make subdivisions in our range. It is about group the hands but not by hand made as you do in the Board Hit tab. This would make me rebuy your software if necessary! xD
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Old 10-03-2014, 10:03 AM   #205
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Hi sojo.,

you are right, the space for large screens should be utilized. Of course, on smaller screens one would not have an advantage, then.

I am not sure what you mean by hand grouping. How does this differ from the current possibility to group/ungroup hands? You can create groups to subdivide your range already.

Thank you very much for your ideas and all the best,
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Old 10-05-2014, 10:57 AM   #206
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Re: PokerRanger

Hi folks,

with today's update, some newly introduced bugs were fixed and some older ones, as well. Enjoy the improved experience.

If you have trouble with the updater, you should just download the new version again, this will neither affect your stored ranges nor your activation.

Have a nice Sunday,
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Old 11-27-2014, 02:54 PM   #207
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Re: PokerRanger

Hello Eisflamme,
Im looking to purchase an analyze software and im sure im not the only one who deliberating between PokerRanger and Flopzilla.
I tried the trial version of both of them, diagnosed there pros and cons, and im tending to buy PR. But still, I have couple of questions:
1. In Flopzilla there is a feature that can analyze how specific range hits boards in overall with full distribution of made hands and without any need to enter a flop. Does this feature exist in PR?

2. I'm looking for feature that will "balance" my overall range for two different acts. For example if I entered 60% c-bet range and 30% from it I will call a raise, can the software calculate and present the other 30% that I will fold/3b with?

3. Can I analyze multiway scenarios? I mean set more than two players in hand analyze?

Thanks!
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Old 11-27-2014, 04:43 PM   #208
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Hi DeuceOTR,

1. not yet, but it is planned for one of the next updates.

2. this works, PokerRanger enables you to work with a mighty concept: groups.

You can create a specific range and subdivide it into groups. And if you define two groups, you can determine the third group as the reminaing hands. This will be displayed in a matrix and also in text form, so that you can work with it. You can even use a drop down to select the group without actually changing the overall range and all tabs will work with this group instead of the entire range.

3. No, PokerRanger is heads up only, since this covers most of the scenarios.

Thank you very much for your interest!

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Old 12-01-2014, 12:44 PM   #209
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Re: PokerRanger

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Hi DeuceOTR,

1. not yet, but it is planned for one of the next updates.

2. this works, PokerRanger enables you to work with a mighty concept: groups.

You can create a specific range and subdivide it into groups. And if you define two groups, you can determine the third group as the reminaing hands. This will be displayed in a matrix and also in text form, so that you can work with it. You can even use a drop down to select the group without actually changing the overall range and all tabs will work with this group instead of the entire range.

3. No, PokerRanger is heads up only, since this covers most of the scenarios.

Thank you very much for your interest!

Eisflamme
Thanks for your answer!
I have another one that popped into my mind, does the software has "weighted range" feature? I mean can I determine the percentage of time that a certain hand will show in player's range? I haven't notice such a thing.
And another "leaks" I found in the software is that I cant set limping option in EV/FE tab, and that I cant build custom ranges on my own, and need to enter range manualy every time instead of just use quickly in my custome build range.
I think that if those leaks will be fixed, this software will be a piece of gold.
Thanks again!
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Old 12-01-2014, 12:58 PM   #210
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Re: PokerRanger

Hi again,

let me answer your questions one by one.

Quote:
does the software has "weighted range" feature?
You can do that via suits. It is not completely exact because postflop on boards with possible flushdraw, depending on which suits are selected, flushdraws will be counted more or less. However, a "real weight" feature would make PokerRanger really complex. PokerRanger is supposed to be easy to use and we strive to increase this even further. Additional weighting options would both make it more complicated and significantly slower.

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I cant set limping option in EV/FE tab
Limpers can just be used by increasing the dead money in the pot. I presume you do not need limping as a Hero's action to analyze your spot. If yes, why exactly would you need that, is that a SNG/Tourney-specific move?

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need to enter range manualy every time instead of just use quickly in my custome build range
Storing and re-using ranges is definitely a basic feature in PokerRanger. On the right-hand side in the hand selection dialog you can create folders below your "Custom Ranges" folder and store ranges there. Even groups created for the range will be stored here. You can reuse all ranges and even export them to a file for backup or sharing reasons.

Thank you very much for your input! If you have further questions or ideas, do not hesitate to convey them.

All the best,
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Old 12-10-2014, 11:53 AM   #211
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Hi again,

let me answer your questions one by one.


You can do that via suits. It is not completely exact because postflop on boards with possible flushdraw, depending on which suits are selected, flushdraws will be counted more or less. However, a "real weight" feature would make PokerRanger really complex. PokerRanger is supposed to be easy to use and we strive to increase this even further. Additional weighting options would both make it more complicated and significantly slower.


Limpers can just be used by increasing the dead money in the pot. I presume you do not need limping as a Hero's action to analyze your spot. If yes, why exactly would you need that, is that a SNG/Tourney-specific move?


Storing and re-using ranges is definitely a basic feature in PokerRanger. On the right-hand side in the hand selection dialog you can create folders below your "Custom Ranges" folder and store ranges there. Even groups created for the range will be stored here. You can reuse all ranges and even export them to a file for backup or sharing reasons.

Thank you very much for your input! If you have further questions or ideas, do not hesitate to convey them.

All the best,
Eisflamme
Thanks again!
I have another question (I promise it's the last one lol), and im sorry for the often comparison to Flopzilla but you're the last 2 options i'm debating between.
In Flopzilla I can filter from the hands strengh scale which hands villain continue with and the software calculating the odds the filtered range hit the board in relative to all of his possible range, in PokerRanger I marked all the hands villain will continue with and pasted it into the clipboard, but it wasent in relative to all of villain's range but to his made hands, and this detail is really important to me to determine my bluffing equity based on how villain hits the board in relative to all of his possible range. I hope it was clear and thanks for your patience and dedication!
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Old 12-14-2014, 06:06 PM   #212
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Re: PokerRanger

Hi folks!

There is an update for PokerRanger out now!! I may not disclose details but you might have a look into our change log at our homepage.

DeuceOTR:
Sorry for the late answer.

If you want to create a continuation range, you should select a range, create a group (by clicking on (1) on the top right corner of the hand selection dialog) and select the subset. The information on the bottom will be relative to the parent range's hands. Also, in the future we will offer charts that will show the relationship of the groups to one another.

Have a nice remaining Sunday (or good Monday morning),
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Old 01-28-2015, 02:52 PM   #213
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Re: PokerRanger

I have a question.

In flopzilla you can see the chance of a hand flopping anything like 56 is more likely to flop a straight on a random flop than 58. I can't find this function in pokerranger. For example I can randomize a flop and see how my exact hand or range fares on that flop but I cannot choose a hand and see how likely it will hit any random flop not an exact one. Im I blind or is this function missing?
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Old 02-23-2015, 05:27 AM   #214
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Hi,

Frozen_Starlight:
Sorry for the late answer.

We know of that function and it will be in one of the future updates of PokerRanger. At the moment, that does not work, though.

General:
There is a special promotion with a huge discount offered by PokerStrategy. It is only valid for a few days. I cannot link to it but you will find it there by yourself easily, if you are interested. And it is definitely a good option to get our software for a very nice price.

Thank you very much for your great input and all the best,
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Old 02-26-2015, 04:06 AM   #215
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Thanks for the notification on the promo - registered!
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Old 03-03-2015, 12:17 AM   #216
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Would be nice if you made a "duplicate" button for ranges AND folders (range groups or whatever its called).
Also I really could use flopzilla range import, but dont think it's going to happen
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Old 03-07-2015, 09:19 AM   #217
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Hi,

at the moment you can duplicate folders in the xml file and import that afterwards. But feature wish is noticed.

From what I have seen Flopzilla offers its ranges in simple range string form like "2dAd,3dAd" etc. This can be imported easily. Or what exactly do you mean?

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Old 03-07-2015, 07:38 PM   #218
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Eisflamme, I mean including hands weight. (flopzilla format something like [50]A2s[/50]) But since flopzilla is using % and poker ranger is using combinations im not sure how it's going to work. Maybe rounding to closest available value.
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Old 03-08-2015, 05:14 AM   #219
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Re: PokerRanger

I like this software quite a bit and think it has some gorgeous visuals but when it comes down to it, I think one can easily save the $79 USD and use Flopzilla + Equilab which does just about every single thing (and a few more things) that PokerRanger does.

Again, I like PokerRanger a lot, I just think that Equilab is a more impressive program since it is absolutely free. As for Flopzilla: Does anyone not have this? It's brilliant.
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Old 03-08-2015, 06:10 AM   #220
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Re: PokerRanger

Hi,

qetou:
Ah, I see. Yes, "correct" hand weights are currently not implemented. Many requests came that we should include that feature. It would disrupt the entire software design and make the software possibly harder to use. We have to think about that in our current design plan.

If we choose to implement weights, the flopzilla text format looks nice, though. So, then it should be compatible.

GreenBliss420:
Some of Flopzilla's functions are not integrated with PokerRanger, this is correct. However, PokerRanger also includes features like range groups (thus involving Combonator features), a rough EV/FE tool (with HEM/PT importers), the equity table visualization, a training function that some users prefer to Equilab's one and the possibility to use Flopzilla's functionality for two players and the same time taking blocking into account. Not to speak of the possibly more rarely used functions like the win evaluation tab.

Of course, we still work on further features and an even clearer user interface.

Thank you very much for your input!

All the best,
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Old 03-16-2015, 10:22 AM   #221
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Hi,


There seems to be a difference in the "only best" selection options there are in pokerranger.
In the equity tables, this takes the best hands from the current range.
In the hand grouping, it takes the best hands from the ENTIRE range (not desired!)

The function that appears also in both these windows is "only hands with equity from". This performs as expected.

Example:
Hand range player 1: 22+,A2s+,K8s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,98s,87s,76s,65s,ATo+,K To+,QTo+,JTo
Hand range player 2: 88+,ATs+,KQs,AQo+

go to equity tables, use player 1 and select "only best" 0 - 10%. Hand range that remains is JJ+, AK.
Put the "only best" back to "0-100%".
click the "select range" for player 1. Create a new group. Go to the equitye/range % tab. enter"only best" 0-10% and press "select".
Notice how the range "22+,ATs+,KJs+,QJs,JTs,AQo+" is selected. Portion of parent says "43.79%". But this should be 10% as requested.

If you repeat the same process, but with the "only hands with equity" then the selected hand range is correct.

For me, this is not the expected behaviour.

Also - feature request - on the equity tables - would it be possible to create something like "use current selection as new group". This would be way faster then going into the hand range selection windows.

Kind regards,
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Old 03-17-2015, 05:02 AM   #222
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Hi kmeirlaen,

you are right, this runs not as expected. It should consider all the possibly selectable hands as 100% and not the entire range.

Your other feature request is noted as well. We plan a restructuring of the software also taking high dpi displays into account. This is why it takes some time for us to deliver the next update. With the next or one update after we will strain to add your feature to the software.

Thank you very much for your feedback!

All the best,
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Old 03-31-2015, 02:38 PM   #223
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Do you have an estimate on how long it will take until the next update?
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Old 03-31-2015, 04:20 PM   #224
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Hi Frozen_Starlight,

the next update will be huge with a whole new user experience and new features. We have no time schedule for that but we work hard to achieve something that will be even more intuitive than what we currently offer.

This is the reason why we have not provided updates recently. Work is being done, maybe even more intensive than before.

I apologize that we have no more concrete news for you but I promise it will be worth the wait!

Until then, if you have other questions or ideas, do not hesitate to convey them. It might be the time for ground-breaking ideas more than ever before!

Thank you very much for your interest!

All the best,
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Old 04-01-2015, 03:08 PM   #225
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Re: PokerRanger

I literally just bought this product.
when I click to edit a players range the hands grid doesn't pop up. It appears that a second windo opens, but it cannot be seen or located.
Any ideas?

In other words the "Select Hero range" window doesn't open.
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