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Old 08-16-2014, 03:13 PM   #176
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Re: PokerRanger

I'm having trouble figuring out the EV/FE tab. Any good tutorials?

What's the difference between the raise/fold and raise/call line? They look the same.

How do I import hands from PT4?
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Old 08-16-2014, 03:36 PM   #177
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Hi RFoley03,

there is a short video on our homepage and another longer version to find on Pokerstrategy. I cannot send you direct links, this is only possible via PM but it should not be hard to find.

Raise/fold means: Player1 (or 2 if selected) raises and will fold to a 3-bet. Raise/call means that he calls to a 3-bet (but following actions are not defined). Of course, this only changes something if Player2's 3-bet action is defined. If he only calls or folds, then raise/fold and raise/call will lead to the same results.

Importing hands from PT4 works only for some sites because there is no unique structure. You can copy the hand history from PT4 to the clipboard and then choose the corresponding entry from the file menu in PokerRanger. If the format does not work, you may try different "copy to clipboard" actions. If this still does not work, sending the hand history to us would be great, so that we can integrate the format with one of the next updates.

Hopefully, I could answer your questions.

Thank you for your interest and all the best
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Old 08-16-2014, 10:36 PM   #178
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Re: PokerRanger

The raise/fold and raise/call lines don't sound realistic because nobody folds or calls with their whole range and the software doesn't give you the option to choose which ranges to call or fold. How could this be useful?

I can't find the clipboard to enter the hand history from PT4.
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Old 08-17-2014, 03:38 AM   #179
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Re: PokerRanger

Here's my shot at some pokerranger suggestions :

- ability to input percentage in the player range (main window)
- ability to have SPACES insded the range (eg 55+, A7s+, K9s+, QTs+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, A9o+, KQo) => this would not parse correctly (only 55+ is retained) => some other tools / books / sites use spaces and this would make copy/paste easier.
- ability to enter AdAx (would result in AdAh,AdAs,AdAc)
- ability to enter Adxd (would result in KdAd,QdAd,JdAd,TdAd,9dAd,8dAd,7dAd,6dAd,5dAd,4dAd, 3dAd,2dAd)
- in the equity tables window, extend the functionality of "copy range to clipboard" as simular to the board hits functions (copy/overwrite group/use as new group)
- in the range selector popup window, it seems the "equity / range %" calculations do not take into account the current group, but do an overall calcaulation on all hands and then filter based on the group. This is not as I would expect it to behave, and is especially noticable with the "only best" hands. (let me know if I need to elaborate more).
- in the range selector, replace the buttons "diaomnds only", "hearts only" with on/off buttons (so we can select/unselect a suit with one click). Now the button unselects all suits, except the one that is clicked)
- when a group is created and selected, pressing ok does not use the group in the player range. One has to manually select it from the drop down
- reset button on the equity matrix for "only hands with equity from" and "only best" filter criteria
- ability to enter hands/range in a textbox when creating groups (it is a lot easier for me to type AhKh, 99, 9d9x then to use the different buttons)
- dual screen: when pokerranger is in full screen on the right monitor, the floating popups (hand ranges when hovering a hand value in the board hits tab) are split between the left and right screen, making them hard to use
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Old 08-18-2014, 05:30 PM   #180
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Re: PokerRanger

I'm running the Check/Raise Line in PokerRanger and I want to know if "Pot Before First Action" would include villains flop bet. So do I enter the size of the pot before I check or the size of the pot before I raise?

Do I enter Villains Stacksize after he bets or before he bets in the "Stacksize P2" field?
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Old 08-19-2014, 05:52 AM   #181
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Re: PokerRanger

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Originally Posted by kmeirlaen View Post
Here's my shot at some pokerranger suggestions :

- ability to input percentage in the player range (main window)
- ability to have SPACES insded the range (eg 55+, A7s+, K9s+, QTs+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, A9o+, KQo) => this would not parse correctly (only 55+ is retained) => some other tools / books / sites use spaces and this would make copy/paste easier.
- ability to enter AdAx (would result in AdAh,AdAs,AdAc)
- ability to enter Adxd (would result in KdAd,QdAd,JdAd,TdAd,9dAd,8dAd,7dAd,6dAd,5dAd,4dAd, 3dAd,2dAd)
- in the equity tables window, extend the functionality of "copy range to clipboard" as simular to the board hits functions (copy/overwrite group/use as new group)
- in the range selector popup window, it seems the "equity / range %" calculations do not take into account the current group, but do an overall calcaulation on all hands and then filter based on the group. This is not as I would expect it to behave, and is especially noticable with the "only best" hands. (let me know if I need to elaborate more).
- in the range selector, replace the buttons "diaomnds only", "hearts only" with on/off buttons (so we can select/unselect a suit with one click). Now the button unselects all suits, except the one that is clicked)
- when a group is created and selected, pressing ok does not use the group in the player range. One has to manually select it from the drop down
- reset button on the equity matrix for "only hands with equity from" and "only best" filter criteria
- ability to enter hands/range in a textbox when creating groups (it is a lot easier for me to type AhKh, 99, 9d9x then to use the different buttons)
- dual screen: when pokerranger is in full screen on the right monitor, the floating popups (hand ranges when hovering a hand value in the board hits tab) are split between the left and right screen, making them hard to use
Another one:
- ability to disable flop/turn/river cards. Right now, we need to clear the box and then re-enter the information.
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Old 08-20-2014, 04:26 PM   #182
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Re: PokerRanger

- with calculate equity permantently checked, when claering the flop/turn/river boxes manually (delete), the equity is not updated. Also, the equity matrix is not updated (clicking the "clear" button on any of those entries has the correct behavior)
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Old 08-21-2014, 07:53 AM   #183
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Re: PokerRanger

Hi,

In the EV/FE Calcs:
I defined a calling range and want the rest of the range in the folding range.
But when I click the "Determine range as difference of parent range and other ranges" it shows the exact same range as in the calling range.

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Old 08-21-2014, 09:34 PM   #184
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Re: PokerRanger

I want to compare the EV of betting vs the EV of check/call but the check/call line doesn't consider the hands that are check/folding. Is there a way I can compare the EV of the two lines? Or would the software have to consider the check/folding hands in order to do so?
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Old 08-29-2014, 07:45 AM   #185
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Re: PokerRanger

Easy one:

How do I enter a continuing range on the river?
The hands that I folded out on the turn seem to be incldued on the river.

Thanks!
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Old 09-01-2014, 07:19 AM   #186
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Re: PokerRanger

Hi folks,

sorry for the late answers.

RFoley03:
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I can't find the clipboard to enter the hand history from PT4.
File -> Import from HEM/PT Hand History in Clipboard

Quote:
I'm running the Check/Raise Line in PokerRanger and I want to know if "Pot Before First Action" would include villains flop bet. So do I enter the size of the pot before I check or the size of the pot before I raise?
Before the check. This is also further explained in the videos on our homepage, in the videos at pokerstrategy and in the feature help list. The same holds for the stack size.

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I want to compare the EV of betting vs the EV of check/call but the check/call line doesn't consider the hands that are check/folding. Is there a way I can compare the EV of the two lines? Or would the software have to consider the check/folding hands in order to do so?
If nothing is checked backed, you can also view the EV for Player1, when you choose Player2 and let him simply bet. Apart from that, there is currently no way to do what you desire.

kmeirlaen:
That's many and great ideas, thank you. I have written that down and some of the ideas will certainly come with the next update.

HPR1978:
This should definitely not happen and it does not, when I try that out. So, you give Player2 a range of let's say 22+, let him call 22-99, click on the blue button for the folding range and it appears 22-99 instead of TT+ in the folding range text field?

i love my cat:
I suppose you refer to the EV/FE tab. The different streets are unrelated to each other because you can also run multiple lines on the turn.

The general suggestion for this matter is that you define a range and work with groups. You could define a turn bet/fold range and have a subgroup of that called "river continuation range". You can use all your defined groups in the EV/FE tab as well.

Hopefully, I could answer all your questions. If not, please keep asking.

Thank you very much for your interest and your great suggestions and all the best,
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Old 09-04-2014, 04:29 AM   #187
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kmeirlaen:
That's many and great ideas, thank you. I have written that down and some of the ideas will certainly come with the next update.
I'm really looking forward to the next release!

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Old 09-04-2014, 04:41 AM   #188
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Re: PokerRanger

I'm trying to run some sims to show the polarisation of equity of two ranges on different board textures. The Equity Tables tab seems like the correct place for this, however what I want to see would be much better expressed as a graph than a hand matrix or a table. Is there any option in the program to see a graph (based on the values in the table), or is there any way of exporting the table contents to my clipboard so I could import the table into Excel?

Also, I have all of my preflop ranges stored in Equilab. It would be extremely useful for me to just be able to copy and paste the ranges from there into PokerRanger. However it seems that the syntax for ranges in PokerRanger require no space between the comma and the next hand [AA,AK], whereas in Equilab the ranges have a space after the comma [AA, AK]. It's really annoying to have to go through and delete all the spaces every time. Is there any way round this?
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Old 09-04-2014, 05:02 AM   #189
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Hi PokerRon247,

we will offer an equity graph tool with the next update. I think this will be perfect for what you wish to do.

Also, in the next update spaces between hands are allowed. At the moment, I would suggest to paste the range to some other editor, replace all the spaces out and paste it to PokerRanger afterwards. That should to the trick.

Thank you for your interest and have a nice day,
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Old 09-04-2014, 05:29 AM   #190
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Thanks for the quick response. A graph based on the output of the 'Equities of Specific Hands' table, including the option to show singular combinations, would be absolutely perfect.

Copying the ranges into crEV and then from there into PokerRanger works, but look forward to the update.

Do you know when this new update will be available?

I've just noticed that there is an option to export the Equities of Specific Hands table to a CSV file. Is there a way of importing this into Excel so that it is formatted in the right way to be able to make a graph?
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Old 09-04-2014, 05:37 AM   #191
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Re: PokerRanger

Hi again,

it is not yet clear when the update will come.

You can import CSV files easily in excel in the data tab. Then, choose "from text" or something similar (my excel is in German). Then, you can define the separator token and in more detailed options also the decimal point token. This should work fine to import the file.

If you have further questions or ideas, do not hesitate to convey them!
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Old 09-15-2014, 01:16 PM   #192
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Hi again,

there is a new update now. The main feature is the equity graph tab. Further information for that can be found at the change log at our homepage.

Please understand that we have not yet implemented all your suggestions but we work on it!

Thank you very much for all your suggestions and your interest!
Have a nice day,
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Old 09-16-2014, 02:41 AM   #193
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Great news!!

Tried the new version, but it seems that it erased all of my defined hand ranges
Restoring the backup I had from the previous version => still no hand ranges...

So little warning out there: backup your hand ranges before upgrading!
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Old 09-16-2014, 02:44 AM   #194
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Hi,

we apologize for that faux pas. Wie have deactivated the automatic update and will fix this as soon as possible.

Thank you for your warning and we can only agree: Before update, backup your ranges! You should backup your ranges anyway from time to time because the ranges are stored in the registry which is not necessarily a very safe place.

Thank you very much for your interest and all the best,
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Old 09-16-2014, 08:11 AM   #195
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Hi,

the bug is fixed and we added another function according to kmeirlaens suggestion:
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- ability to enter AdAx (would result in AdAh,AdAs,AdAc)
- ability to enter Adxd (would result in KdAd,QdAd,JdAd,TdAd,9dAd,8dAd,7dAd,6dAd,5dAd,4dAd, 3dAd,2dAd)
Restoring your backups should work now for the range tree.

Thank you very much and all the best,
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Old 09-17-2014, 06:21 AM   #196
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Re: PokerRanger

First I just want to commend the developer of PokerRanger on breaking into the market so successfully and becoming so well established in such a short period of time. I have done tons of research on the software available to poker players today and nobody anywhere refutes how powerful PR is but many advanced players do tout it as being the best program on the market at this point.

Your product is well worth it's price, so don't think I'm questioning that here but if it weren't $80 I would have bought it the other day, easily. As it was, I put the money down on Flopzilla, and have been using that in conjunction with Equilab and really learning a lot.

I still have PR on trial for 12 days though and I really do love it. I came into a few extra dollars over the past couple of days that I was not foreseeing and since I know I'll definitely wind up buying your product in the future anyway, I'm contemplating just getting all expenses out of the way now and biting the bullet for it.

What I'm trying to deduce is what I would still use Flopzilla for if I purchased the full version of PokerRanger. I think I've found a thing or two. Is it a fact that PokerRanger cannot calculate board hits at all (for any number of players) before the user has entered in a flop? It can only take a hand, multiple hands or ranges, etc, and see what their board hits would look like on a flop that you've already specified and then the turn and river in the future? Or do I just not see how to make it do that? I italicize only because I know I'm splitting hairs here and PR does a ridiculous amount as is.

Of course, Flopzilla's main feature is that it does precisely this and the same for the turn and the river. As said, it's not a one or the other thing here as I already own Flopzilla. Just seeing where it would still be useful for me if I purchased PR, as well.

Thanks in advance!
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Old 09-17-2014, 06:26 AM   #197
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Hi,

Awesome update. What exactly shows x-asis in equity graph?

edit: also sometimes I get graphs like this

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Old 09-20-2014, 09:29 AM   #198
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Hi,

NutFlush69:
We have answered to that post more elaborately at pokerstrategy.com. In short: You are correct that Flopzilla + CREV covers a lot of functions that PokerRanger has. On the other hand, PokerRanger also has equity tables, a training function and combonator functionality that both Flopzilla and CREV do not have. Also, there are other functions like the equity distribution tool that will be further improved in the future.

We appreciate your input!

qetou:
On the x-axis, there are the different hand combinatons for Player1 (one graph) and Player2 (the other graph). On the y-axis the equity of this specific combination against the other player's entire range is shown.

The graph in your post seems strange. We will try to reproduce this one and offer a fix in the next update.

Thank you very much for your input and have a nice day,
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Old 09-21-2014, 05:27 AM   #199
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The graph in your post seems strange. We will try to reproduce this one and offer a fix in the next update.
I'm getting these graphs every time I choose any group from my saved ranges (the ones with "+" sign in front of them on the pic).
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Old 09-23-2014, 05:39 AM   #200
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1. Main window -> please add shortcuts like:
alt+f/t/r/d -> to go to textbox flop/turn/river/dead to type cards (Change file to menu or something :P)
alt+shift+f/t/r/d -> to open select card for flop/turn/river/dead

I see there are alt+1/2 for player input box, but it would be nice to be able to open select range with one click (now alt+1 -> tab -> space).

2. Select range window:
- still there I don't see hotkeys for groups
- alt+s has two meanings (spades only/select)
- after using select by hand strength IMO it should reset hand strength window to save few clicks

3.
- move board above card matrix - I want to see board while I select range
- Select/Inverted button instead list. To "add" left click, to "substract" right click, to "overwrite" double click.
- I would add fast "select by hand strength" buttons which would "add straight or higher"/"add three of kind or higher"...

Why to add them? Because they would cover most of cases. Usually I want to select top pair+ and 8 outer (Flushdraw/OESD). With new buttons I would be able to do it with 3 clicks... Now I need 21 clicks!

You could also add modifers ctrl = or higher, and without ctrl = excatly.
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