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Old 02-24-2013, 04:57 PM   #26
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Re: PokerRanger

Hi Guesswhat,

the way to import the hand history to CREV is actually the same to import it to PokerRanger. However, HEM2 does not have a unique format. Depending on which subversion you have and which site you have played on, the hand history will have another format.

That being said, it is just probable that the HEM hand history from 888 has another format than the ones currently being importable to PokerRanger.

The good news is that we will immediately start to enhance the importer to also import those hand histories.

We only need to get some sample hand histories. It would be great if you contacted us via the contact form on the web site or via e-mail. You can also contact us via skype. For that, just write a personal message with your nick name or I can write my one. Or you can just attach some hand history to a personal 2+2 message.

Thank you very much for your feedback! We guarantee that the hand history will be importable soon.

Best regards,
Eisflamme

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Old 02-24-2013, 06:13 PM   #27
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Thx for support. Sent you an email
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Old 02-27-2013, 10:52 AM   #28
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Hi again,

the update took a while because there were also some other issues to improve. The now-published update should work for importing your hand histories!

If you have any other feedback or ideas, do not hesitate to convey them.

Thank you again for your feedback and kind regards,
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Old 02-27-2013, 03:18 PM   #29
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nice I can import my HH from HM2 now. thx for instant support. All the best.
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Old 02-28-2013, 04:32 PM   #30
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Hello Eisflamme. I'm having a hard time understanding how the Board Hits and Custom Sum works.

I'm trying to select what I think is my opponent's folding range in the Board Hits tab for a board of AJ6r. In the "pairs" section, there is Top Pair, 2nd Pair, 3rd Pair, and Other. When I hover over "other," it correctly shows 24 combos that are pocket pairs under 3rd pair. But when I select "other," it adds 80.87% to the Custom Sum when it should only be around 20%.

I'm brand new to the software, so I could be doing something wrong; I can't figure it out. Thanks for your help.
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:47 PM   #31
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Hi ShaunHunting,

I am very sorry for that. You have done nothing wrong; ticking "Other" just does not work the way it should at the moment.

The bug fix is on the ToDo-List now and will be released with the next update very soon!

I hope, you enjoy using the software anyways!

Best regards and thanks for your feedback,
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Old 02-28-2013, 06:04 PM   #32
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Hi ShaunHunting,

I am very sorry for that. You have done nothing wrong; ticking "Other" just does not work the way it should at the moment.

The bug fix is on the ToDo-List now and will be released with the next update very soon!

I hope, you enjoy using the software anyways!

Best regards and thanks for your feedback,
Eisflamme
Okay great, glad to hear it wasn't my idiocy.

I'm also glad to hear you're on top of issues that come up. You just sold me a copy.
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Old 03-01-2013, 05:31 AM   #33
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Hi again,

glad that you are convinced of PokerRanger.

There is an update out now, which solves the issue. There are also some other improvements, which can be viewed in the change log!

All the best,
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Old 03-02-2013, 06:01 PM   #34
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Hi again,

glad that you are convinced of PokerRanger.

There is an update out now, which solves the issue. There are also some other improvements, which can be viewed in the change log!

All the best,
Eisflamme
Thanks! It looks like the numbers are adding up correctly now.

On a separate note, I was running a scenario against a 60% range. PR says that the range has a flush draw 4% when the board is two tone. Is this correct? I would think it would be way higher, but I don't have anything to base that assumption on; just gut feeling. Thanks.

Edit: Also, with this same scenerio, the flop was QT3ss, and the turn was another ten. I'm trying to figure out how often he has me beat, but I don't think PR will tell me this. It tells me he has two pair 29%, but I don't see an option to differentiate between the times he has Qx and the times he has 3x or a pocket pair under the queen. Is this function possible? (I hope I'm making sense)

Thanks again.
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Old 03-02-2013, 06:33 PM   #35
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Yeah, you are making perfect sense.

Well, the flush draw probability depends on the range, of course. Without this, I can not check, if there is an error. However, no bug in the area of determining flush draws is known, so far. But, of course, if you have a hand like AK without a pair, there are 16 combinations and only 1 of them is a flush draw. PPs do not have flushdraws, either. This very rough estimation shows that 4% might be okay.

For the turn scenario: There are different ways to analyze this board. For example, you could check the WinEvaluation tab to estimate how much equity he's got with a specific hand strength. If the equity of e.g. a full house is very high, you can consider yourself being beat against this hand strength.

A further separation of two pairs is not a feature at the moment, this is right. You could use some tricks, for example: copy the twopair range with the right mouse button, insert it into some range line edit, select hands their and unselect all hands which are not the Q (or whatever). Then, you can use the resulting range for further analyses and roll back your range.

You could also use the EquityTables-Tab and view it from villain's position: It will show you the equity for each of his hands. Now, you can see in one picture what hands beat you and what do not. In the future, there will be a function to automatically select all hands with a specific equity (i.e. higher/lower than a specific percentage number).

I hope, you can still solve your scenario. If you have further questions or would like to discuss some other spots, I would be glad to help! Also, I have written down the further separation of two pairs, so that it will come in the future!

I hope, I could help for now!
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Old 03-03-2013, 06:07 PM   #36
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Re: PokerRanger

The flush draw number of 4% might be correct, I'm not sure. I was running a 60% range on QsTh3s.

What I did notice is that when I put my own hand as AsKx, it doesn't take away the AsXx combos from villain's range. Unless I'm doing something wrong, I think it's a bug.
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Old 03-03-2013, 06:21 PM   #37
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Hi ShaunHunting,

where exactly do you miss this card removal effect? I believe that you see those combinations in the range fields at the top of the page, am I right? Those ranges will be displayed independently in the current version. That means, the combinations will be discounted at the time of any calculation, so you do not need to worry about any wrong estimations. Only the display may, depending on where you view, not discount, so that you can view the ranges each by themselves.

For example, if I run AsKd vs "AA,A2s+", the Two Player Board Hits Tab will give Player2 no flushdraw. If Player1 holds AcKd instead, it will.

However, with the next update, the range hover of the Player1/Player2 ranges will also discount the Player1 range by Player2's range and vice versa (in the text below, which says "Discounted by Other Ranges and Board"). The range matrix, however, shows the non-discounted combinations (might be a nice feature to add, what do you think? ). Also, when you double-click on a range text field, the discount will only use the board to discount.

I understand that it might be a little confusing that, depending on where you view the ranges exactly, it does show other results. The calculations will take every card removal effects into account, though, so there should be no false results, at all (many scenarios have been tested and also compared with other software like Flopzilla or Equilab).

If you would like to test a specific scenario, you might post it here or address me personally (via personal message or mail), so that I can provide you with some additional information and support. Maybe, we find some ways to make it clearer.

If you have some specific feedback of where you would like to see more discounts, that would be awesome!

Thank you very much for your feedback and all the best!
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Old 03-05-2013, 07:41 AM   #38
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Using AsKs against every flush draw combo possible, when I look at villain's flush draw combos, it lists all the AsXs and KsXs. If I change my hand to AcKc, his percentage chance of having a FD increases, which is of course correct, so the math is correct. I just thought it odd that it listed all the combos when he can't have AsXs or KsXs combos in his range.

Do you want to pm me your Skype so I can stop cluttering this thread with these questions, or would you prefer email? Thanks.
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Old 03-05-2013, 08:04 AM   #39
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Re: PokerRanger

Hi Shaun,

you are right. At the moment, the discounted flush draw combinations are displayed in the hovers, although they should not be there because of card removal. The thought behind this is: if you want to use the range for other analyses, it will probably not make sense to take card removal into account. You probably want to use villain's entire range, anyways.

However, you are right that this should not be displayed. At least, it seems to be counter-intuitive which is (most of the time) bad. So, I have written it down as point for one of the next updates.

Best regards,
Eisflamme

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Old 03-08-2013, 01:41 PM   #40
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Re: PokerRanger

Today's update fixes some bugs and introduces some nice new features (like always, you can read more in the change log).

Also, Shaun's observation has been fixed. If Player1 holds "AsQs,QsJs" now, for example, Player2's board hit hover will no longer include any Q-high/Q-low flushdraw in the range.

If we have more ideas or feedback, we'll gladly hear about it and make PokerRanger even better!

Have a great day,
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Old 03-24-2013, 11:45 AM   #41
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Please notice that there is a huge new update online, now.

It includes groups, now! So, you can subdivide a range into parts. Like always, you can find more information at facebook or the website's change log.
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Old 04-07-2013, 12:59 PM   #42
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There is another update now
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Old 04-19-2013, 05:10 PM   #43
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I used up the trial for PokerRanger a short while ago, and only today got around to buying the full product.

Have to say, I'm pretty impressed with the whole thing, especially the amount of development that's gone into it in the short time since my trial expired.

As something of a poker software junky (already have, and have used a fair bit, Flopzilla, CR-EV, Combonator, and The Odds Oracle) I'd say you've definitely managed to combine the best bits from those other products (well, OK, if you twist my arm, I'd have to say I doubt anybody is ever going to match the raw power of The Odds Oracle) but your combination of calculating power and user-friendly interface is quite an achievement.

I guess it's inevitable that a thread like this is going to concentrate on the 'bugs' people have found and 'improvements' people would like rather than the very many features which work perfectly. Just a couple of things I'd add to the list:

[1] On the equity tables tab, when I save Player 2's matrix to a CSV, I think there's an error in that CSV file's column titles. I seem to get Player 2's equity appearing in the column labelled 'Equity P1' (and Player1's in the column labelled 'Equity P2')

[2] When a Player's range is defined as two specific cards (eg Player 1 = {Ah8h}) it would be neat if those two cards were unselectable in the 'Select Flop Cards', 'Select Turn Card' and 'Select River Card' panels.

Minor points.

Your software represents outstanding value for money, especially given your obvious commitment to developing it further. I can see myself getting a lot of use out of it. I wish you every success with it.
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Old 04-19-2013, 05:15 PM   #44
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Hi DiamondDog,

thank you for your feedback! We are very glad that you like the software that much.

Your points are very good! Especialls the first one seems to be a bug, so this will be fixed for the next update. The second point, also, is noted as a task.

Thanks again and I hope you will have a lot of fun with the software!
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Old 04-20-2013, 04:59 AM   #45
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Thanks for responding, Eisflamme. Much appreciated.

Definitely having a lot of fun exploring this software.

I've got a bit confused about the 'New Variant' option.

Here's a simple scenario:


Now, if I click on the green cross ('Create New Variant'), I get a panel asking me to name the new scenario. Having done that, I then find that the ranges, and any board cards, are automatically cleared.

I was assuming that ranges and board cards would stay the same - in other words the new variant would be a copy of the original variant, so that I could then change a few things, instead of having to build the new variant from scratch. If the 'Create New Variant' button is supposed to clear everything, can't we just use File>>New instead?

Great piece of software.
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Old 04-20-2013, 05:11 AM   #46
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Hi again,

you are right, this might not be very clear, especially as the button creates a new scenario and not a new variant, so the tooltip is wrong at this point.

A file contains multiple scenarios, which offers the possibility to manage many situations while being in the same file. A scenario contains:
- Both players' ranges
- the board
- dead cards
- the lines of the EV/FE Tab

This being said, it also makes sense, if you want to import multiple hands from a database. Each imported hand automatically is stored in a new scenario. So, you might have a PRA-File for each session or something. This is merely a possibility for you to structure your scenarios.

Of course, you can just keep the main scenario and create a file for each one. This is up to you.

I believe, a "Copy" button might be a good idea to cover what you intended to do, would that improve your experience?

Best regards and thanks for your feedback!
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Old 04-20-2013, 06:02 AM   #47
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Ah, right. Yes, I was slowing coming to realise that I didn't really understand the difference between a 'scenario' and a 'variant'.

I thought when we saved our work, we were simply saving the currently displayed scenario, but we're actually saving all of the scenarios currently populating the drop-down menu.
(It would help if I learned to read - the menu item says 'Save ScenarioS As ...' which I was reading as 'Save Scenario As ...' )

That's really cool. And being able to save all the hands in a particular session (or the interesting ones, anyway) in a single .pra file is a really useful feature.

Personally, I wouldn't use the word 'variant' in this context. I'd call everything a scenario.

I'd have buttons for
- Edit the name of current scenario (a button you already have)
- Duplicate the current scenario (if the current scenario was called 'fred' the duplicate would automatically be named 'fred(copy)', that name could then be edited if the user wished; so there'd be no need for a panel demanding the name of the duplicate) (this would be a new button)
- Create a blank scenario (a button you already have - the green cross - but I wouldn't refer to 'variants')
- Delete the current scenario (a button you already have)

Thanks again, Eisflamme. Really helpful.

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Old 04-23-2013, 03:30 PM   #48
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Hi

Does this work for PLO?

Any plans of expanding to support that game?
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Old 04-24-2013, 10:13 AM   #49
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Hi,

DiamondDog:
Well, one can easily overlook the s, so I understand that you did not see this. Maybe, "Save All Scenarios" is a better label. Your button suggestions are noted and in the next version "Variant" will be replaced with "Scenario". As I said, this is actually the wrong tooltip. There are variants in PokerRanger which can be found in the EV/FE tab, but they have nothing to do with scenarios (well, they will be saved within a scenario, but that's another story ).

ralph cifaretto:
I'm afraid not. PLO is a complete other game. Since introducing PLO would require a complete new backend and a new frontend and as there are still a lot of things which have to be done regarding the Texas Hold'em version, a PLO version is not planned in the next time. Sorry for that.

Best regards and thanks for your feedback!
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Old 05-01-2013, 02:56 PM   #50
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Hi,

this update enhances the importer, extends the EquityTables Tab and has a whole bunch of other nice new features. Check our change log or the software itself for details. Screenshots on Facebook.

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