Hey,

Nice update. This software keep getting better and better and it is the only real serious option for Poker player on MAC.

Great Job !

Also i would like to ask if you would be open to implement a kind of "hotness" option like they have in Flopzilla, where you have a remaining card matrix that tells you which next card is good or bad for your range and your equity ? If you would have this option in Poker Cruncher i think this software would be way better than what Flopzilla is offering right now.

P.S.

The added slots for stored ranges is a HUGE update thanks so much !

Hello Mr.Cyprine, and also Rezzir,

Thanks guys for good words on the app and recent updates (app store reviews are greatly helpful too : )). I've got more updates/improvements planned.

Re. "if you would be open to implement a kind of "hotness" option like they have in Flopzilla",

Yes this is on my list!, it will happen in the coming months, although I'll call/word this feature a little different than "hotness". In the latest updates I've been focused on improving on the already existing features before starting on new ones like "hotness". E.g. %age weights in ranges, improvements to the (now 100) quick-save range slots, making managing subranges easier, improving the stats and Filter range, etc. I have a little more to go on managing subranges in the 100 slots, but then will get to "hotness". Thanks for encouragement and support.

Hey,

I was thinking about an option that could be interesting but not sure if it would be easy to implement.

Lets say i design a range than i want to see how it hits low Flops. Those would be flops than contain 3 cards from 2-3-4-5. Would it be difficult to calculate how it hits low boards only for example ? All the low boards combination ?

So basically we could customs a group of flops not only a random one and see results on all flops.

This is an interesting and cool feature, I see it as ranges for the flop/board (like we have ranges for the players). It's kind of similar to your post #162 idea "combine results with our range on different flops". But like that idea I don't yet feel that this idea is a 'yes' to me on the importance scale or bang for the buck scale (yet). It's interesting but as a product developer it's just a matter or prioritizing and also minimalizing to the most core/important set of features. E.g. the "hotness" feature many people incl. you have proposed adding is a 'yes'. But I have changed my mind on various features over time, but can't guarantee on this one.

Re. this idea:

* Can be modeled currently by entering in a representative flop (or a few representative flops) and seeing the results on this flop. E.g. for your low flop (rank 2..5), one representative flop in this range e.g. 245rainbow should be enough to give a good idea of the result on this kind of flop. Then you can enter a suited flop, etc. However if a player has a specific hand say 33, then it matters a lot whether the flop has a 3 or not, but in general when the players have ranges, I think using a few representative flops gives a good idea.

* If you click/select a flop card, note that the "Rnd" button (at top of LHS) gets a small pulldown list next to it which lets you generate various kinds of flops e.g. broadway, low, suited, etc. This can help you generate the kinds of flops you want.

* A full "ranges for flop/board" feature wouldn't be too tricky/hard in terms of the code, but would be a good amount of rote work, e.g. we would need to be able to view a board card's range (rank range and suit range). And then it would be hard to see exactly how the flop/board is defined when you look at the screen, whereas it's clear when you see e.g. a low flop 235rainbow entered in.

So I think this is an interesting idea, but for reasons given I'll move this full solution for flop/board ranges to the postpone-maybe-indefinitely list; thanks for brainstorming ideas on this program.

Hi, I recently installed the Pokercruncher Expert for Mac. As I'm fairly new to poker and to poker software, and I may be using the program wrong, but I am also using it to build my own preflop handranges. Is there a way when I load up a certain range, say my range from the cutoff, to then select certain hands in this range which I would fold, raise or bluff vs a 3 bet. I don't want to eliminate hands from my range, I still would like to see my whole range, but within it, is there a way to give certain hands a different color? for example reraise hands in green, call hands in yellow fold in blue or something? Or do I need to save this as a separate range? I looked all through the tutorial and also the vids, but didn't find it. thanks, and keep up the good work!

Hello,

Welcome to PokerCruncher-Expert. It's a good question, how to break up a range into subranges and manage/view the subranges. I'll first describe the current solution in the program for this, and then will explain why I haven't pursued the multi-colors for subranges idea (at least so far).

>>> Or do I need to save this as a separate range?

Yes this is the current solution for subranges; quick-save your subranges in the 100 app-internal range slots. You can name the slots as you want e.g. "Hero Cutoff Open", "Hero Cutoff Fold To 3Bet", "Hero Cutoff 4Bet", etc. I store my more permanent range library in the higher numbered slots, and use the lower slots for more temporary ranges and subranges work. If you name/organize the 100 slots per your usages, this will speed you up going forward. E.g. I also have slots for "Villain Preflop", "Villain Flop", "Villain Turn", etc. that I use to narrow down villain's range as the hand progresses. Saving these range refinements into separate slots lets me see how many combos (out of the total) I can expect villain to continue with at each action.

There have been some recent improvements for subranges in these 100 slots:

http://www.pokercruncher.com/ipPoker...ngeRefinements

For example as you quick-save a range the range's hand combo count is now shown in the save/load pulldown lists, so you can add up the combos offline to see if you've broken up the original range cleanly.

>>> is there a way to give certain hands a different color?

At least several people have suggested this multi-colors for subranges idea incl. in offline email but I've punted/postponed this for now in favor of the more "manual" (but also more general, as I'll explain below) solution above.

>>> for example reraise hands in green, call hands in yellow fold in blue or something?

One problem is that I think this will lead to color-overkill and make the range grid look kaleidoscopic (sp?) to the point of looking pretty confusing if there are even a few subranges. The range grid already uses about 6 colors for good built-in purposes, for example yellow is used to mean "added cell" so you couldn't use yellow in your color scheme. Green is already currently used to mean "partially-added cell", etc. So then what good colors would you be left with? And if we allow say 3..5 more good colors for subranges, you can bet that eventually someone will write in saying they want to view up to 10 subranges/colors at one time. And another thing, some people are color blind or sort-of color blind so it's hard to me to make an entire important feature depend on so many colors.

Other issues:
* Hand combos complicate the picture: in a given cell some hand combos may be in one subrange, and the some other combos may be in another subrange (e.g. if flush draws and made flushes are involved), so the cell would need to show 2+ colors. Could get messy/unwieldy.
* %age weights also complicate: A given cell say AA could have say 80% weight in one subrange, and 20% weight in another subrange. For example we might want to 3bet with AA 80% of the time, but just smooth call in position 20% of the time. So again here a given cell AA is in 2 subranges, requiring two colors for the cell. To me treating/saving/loading each subrange separately and individually looked like a cleaner and simpler way to go, as this also lets us see each subrange's number of hand combos cleanly.

So these are the reasons for the current solution for subranges. I'm not saying the multi-colors idea of viewing all the subranges at once (or maybe using a layering approach) can't work, but I'll leave it for future thinking, but won't guarantee.

Hi RJ, thanks for your fast answer.
I understand your logic for doing it this way, and thanks for explaining it. I think with the layering approach you might be on to something, as it would allow us to create an overview per position, yet still use the separate subranges for calculations. Thanks

Hi RJ,
I've toyed around with the hand ranges and subranges, but I must say that the abscence of color coding is a bit cumbersome. I want to put in and save my own ranges. For each position,that is 9 already. Then I want to put in my hand ranges from each position, versus each position when I'm facing a raise, or a 3 bet. For each of these scenarios I also want to see where I raise, fold, or call. If I have to save all of this separately in a subrange, then I'm using up all the slots almost, and I have no more overview. this is just for one type of game, let's say online cash. If i want to do this for live games, and MTTs, then I don't have enough slots.
Also when I'm studying flops, I want to put my hands into different categories based on my ranges for each position. Here I'd like to see which hands are great vs this flop, my middling hands, my draws and my folds. In order for me to have a visual presentation, the ability to color code freely would be an enormous help. It would also cut down the number of subranges I'd have to save separately.
I don't know if you're considering this option, but other programs like pokerranger have it, and it's great. they just don't exist on for mac. So hopefully you could consider this option, and if not, then maybe someone can point me towards an alternative for mac. thanks

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So you want to save hundreds or even thousands of ranges and subranges. There are only 100 app-internal "quick-save" range slots in this program, but you can also save an unlimited number of ranges to your filesystem (Save.. and Load.. buttons), and organize them in any folder structure you wish. The 100 quick-save slots are mainly meant to hold the ranges you use most often for quick-loading onto a villain, and for a reasonable amount of subranges work. For more detailed work and range analysis beyond that, you can save to the filesystem. I realize going to the filesystem is slower than the 100 slots, but in any case some kind of popup dialog would have to come up to manage many hundreds or thousands of ranges, into subfolders, so there's no escaping multiple clicks here.

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Re. color coding parts of a range, I already said in my last post that I'll think about a layering approach for subranges in the future, which will address the same subranges issue you're talking about with color coding. I won't give a written guarantee/promise however on this no matter how many times I'm asked : ). But yeah I might get nudged more on it.

Re. coloring vs. layering, I brought up a couple of features in this program in my last post that look to make layering better than coloring: %age weights, and hand combos. The issue is the same cell can be in multiple subranges due to having different %age weights or different hand combos, which adds to the color confusion. Does the other program you mentioned (PokerRanger) have %age weights in subranges?

Also I have looked at PokerRanger's "Range Management" webpage before as well and didn't see a pic of custom color coding a range. Can you please point it out to me or post a pic link so I can see it in action? I ask this because, I talked about color coding on email long time ago with another user, and he said to the effect it "doesn't work as well as you'd think", maybe in reference to another entirely different program on Windows-PC. I still have a concern with the color-overload i.e. seeing 5..10 additional different colors on the range grid at the same time.

So I'm still open to improving on this issue/feature, but as I've said it's future thinking. In the meantime sure I like your idea of your switching to another program on Mac.

Thanks, I'm happy to announce that this important feature, called "Next Card Heat Map" in PokerCruncher, went live in the Mac-Expert version today (Version 10.4.1).

This feature shows how each possible next board card (for the turn or river) changes the equity of the currently selected (clicked) player. You can view this info. as a heat map and also as text.

This feature is enabled when specific flop or flop+turn cards have been assigned, and when there's a (blank) next board card (per the Deal-To setting).

The buttons for this feature are at the bottom-right of the Card Deck view ("Heat Map", "Txt", and "?" buttons).

The below pic shows the next card heat map in action. And there's a new tutorial section for this feature.

The green-ish next cards are the best next cards for Player 1, the red-ish next cards are the worst next cards for Player 1, and the yellow-ish next cards are breakeven-ish next cards for Player 1. (Player 1 is the currently selected (clicked) player in the screenshot.)

Pls. do give this feature a spin and let me know feedback/ideas. Thanks.

Hi RJ,
I don't have PokerRanger myself, as I have only have a mac. I do have a screenshot of such a range, and these ranges can be imported into PokerRanger, at least according to the trainingsite I'm on. I'll gladly share it here, somehow I don't see how I can insert an image in here, as I can only give in the URL of my image and it's on my desktop. So any tip how I can insert an image here? I see it works for you thnx

The image has to be hosted on an external server.
How about this, email me the image at support@pokercruncher.com and I'll do this and post the image in this thread.

I am curious to see it because I've looked at their "Range Management" webpage more than once and don't see anything about color coding subranges of a range.

... continued ...
I see, so you haven't actually used PokerRanger yourself. It sounded like you have or at least were sure of the feature when you said "but other programs like pokerranger have it". If the image is from a training site, maybe they color coded the cells themselves "by hand" for instructional purposes (which is my guess). Or maybe it came from another program (other than PokerRanger), in which case it would be nice to know which program.

In any case re. color coding subranges, consider this: any program that shows a range grid uses 3 colors for suited cells, offsuit cells, and pair cells. Then probably a 4th color to denote an added cell. In PokerCruncher there's a 5th color for partially-added cells (which only have some and not all hand combos added). Then PokerCruncher has %age weights which causes some of the colors to be shaded on a color spectrum. We'll say minimum 6..7 colors there just for the built-in range editing functionality in PokerCruncher.

So first, all of the "good" colors are already taken for the built-in range editing functionality. Your suggestion is to add 5..10 more colors for subranges. As I've said before it looks like color overkill to me and the grid would look like a kaleidoscope (sp?, never knew how to spell that word). If you're looking at a tutorial's image, they don't have to worry about editing ranges and making a program work and can color code any way they want.

Hi RJ,
I just sent you the image. Maybe it is made by hand as you said, but since the training site said it could be imported into PokerRanger, I assumed it was possible (I know ass u me :-) Maybe there is already a way to add this in this way already in Pokercruncher, and I just haven't found the right way yet.
I don't know if extra colors are needed, maybe shading from the colors available is enough already.
hope this helps, and thanks for your continued feedback and dialogue

I've added gunraid's image below.

Re. importing, if you have the range's text in the standard range syntax e.g. "JJ+, AKs" then of course the range can be imported into PokerCruncher. Not the color coding of the cells though. And of course the range can't be scanned in straight from the image (lol) into any program (I would think, but you never know what people work on I guess).

The image looks like it was produced by a program, but the burden of info. on which program is on you. Maybe it's that 3rd (Windows-PC) program I alluded to earlier when I said a customer told me months ago that such a color coding scheme "doesn't work as well as you'd expect". I don't think we really need to know though after my points below.

* The colors needed for editing look to have been taken out e.g. note that suited and offsuit cells that aren't in any subrange have the same color.

* This is a very simplified way of looking at subranges, and I don't think it's general enough for the reasons I've already given at least two times before in posts to you, but I'll give again:

* Issue: we may want a given cell to be in two or more subranges. So then what color do we give to the cell? If we put multiple colors on a cell, that can get messy/unwieldy and hard to see. Example: the flush hits on the turn. For all the suited cells in our range, we'd want the suit combos that hit the flush to be in our "value bet" subrange, and the other combos to be in our other subranges.

* Issue: PokerCruncher has %age weights on a cell by cell basis, so again a given cell can be in two or more subranges. E.g. we may want to 3-bet with AA 80% of the time preflop and just flat call 20% of the time in position.

* Editing all of the subranges all at the same time at a hand combos level on top of each other may get tricky. I think for this and in general the layering approach I mentioned earlier would work better.

* Some people have a hard time seeing colors i.e. partly color blind.

* Color overload when we go over say 5 subranges. And etc. from my previous posts on this.

The image looks to work OK only for preflop subranges where suits don't matter. But in PokerCruncher because of the %age weights feature this simple color scheme won't work even preflop in general. And on later streets it looks too simplified to work in general to me.

If you think there are no problems and issues here maybe you can explain why.

My goal is to make the best program I can and I will think about this in the future (e.g. the layering idea, a maybe), but I'm not going to jump into a scheme that looks insufficient for the full usage cases right from the start.
(Gunraid, for such schemes you'll need to switch to the alternative programs you were asking about earlier.)

Hi RJ,
thanks for your feedback. I understand and appreciate the issues you describe, and maybe this is a too simplistic way of looking at subranges, but it is what I'm dealing with at this point in my poker journey. Maybe in a few months time I'll look at it differently.
By no means am I saying that color coding is the best way forward, it is just something I noticed, and this question was also asked by other users on the training site. Also the reason I'm bringing it up is not to look for alternatives, but to use Pokercruncher as my main program. thnx

Ok some wrap-ups for now on this "color coding subranges" suggestion made by gunraid:

First for clarity for all readers going forward I want to point out that the image I added in my post #190 directly above is NOT from PokerCruncher-Expert-Mac. It's an external image from gunraid from a third party training site.

>>> By no means am I saying that color coding is the best way forward, it is just something I noticed

You seem to be backtracking here, because earlier in post #183 you said:

>>> but other programs like pokerranger have it, and it's great. they just don't exist on for mac.
>>> then maybe someone can point me towards an alternative for mac

So earlier, color coding subranges was important enough a feature for you to switch to another program, and now you're saying it may not be the best way forward. That's ok; maybe the pros/cons I gave on this suggestion made a difference.

gunraid - I want to let you know that I was a bit irritated on this yesterday because you were using wrong/misleading info./data to try to get me to implement a feature you wanted (which I had already explained two or three times why it isn't that great an idea imo). E.g. "pokerranger has it". As far as I can tell it doesn't, see their online documentation. Or prove to me that it does have it. Then you told me that you've never actually used PokerRanger.

Not a big deal, I'm over it now after this post, and back focused on PokerCruncher.

First of all, really well done job about the "hotness" features. You nailed it ! Bravo !

Now Poker Cruncher can no longer be shy of Flopzilla.

Thank you ! And keep the good work on. It,s incredible what you have done from the from the first version to now.

I have made a post about the software on Red Chip Poker forum for MAC user.

Mr.Cyprine - Thanks for words of support and good feedback on this program, much appreciated.

I've got some more improvements lined up over the next few months.

Re. this new feature I preferred to call it "next card heat map" as that sounded more self-descriptive than just "hotness". Or "next card analysis" would work too. Anyway all good, a rose ...

Hello,

Is this basically the same thing as Flopzilla or Pokerranger but for mac? Been looking for something like that but all are windows only.

Hello,
(I'm the developer of PokerCruncher.)

I wouldn't say "basically the same thing" as that's a pretty strong and general statement and I'm sure each of these programs has its own unique good features. I'd say it's in the same space of programs i.e. advanced desktop Hold'em equity calc programs.

You can look at this program's tutorial & videos webpage (and the "Mac-Expert-Level Features" section) and investigate and decide.

RJ,
just read your wrap up post on the color coding. I did listen to the arguments that you gave, and did think about it. I will save the subranges separately, and go from there.
I could read in your post that you were irritated a bit, and that's fine.
Like I said it's something I was dealing with and brought it up for discussion. You do put in a lot of work to make a good product, and as I said earlier already and also in my email to you, I do appreciate that you listen to your customers and that you actively engage in a dialogue. I understand that you can't implement every feature that anyone brings up. This is not me backtracking, this is reality, I've dealt with very similar things in my own job. Keep up the good work.

Thanks for the reply.

I'm an nl2 grinder and am consider buying it for making ranges and calculations and stuff. Can you build ranges and then save them? I imagine it shows you combos and everything and you can divide up hands into like these 25 are bluffs, these 25 combos are value etc.

I've never used one of these complex equity calculators so I am unsure.

Also, what are the big differences between the one under $10 and the $54. Do I need the expensive one for nl2? Can I pay the diff if i need the more expensive one later?

>>> Can you build ranges and then save them?

Of course. This and all features are listed on this app's App Store page and tutorial webpage (link given last time). Also watch the first 20 mins. of the video tutorial at the top of the tutorial webpage (made by an independent poker pro/coach, without me even requesting/communicating beforehand). Rather than just taking it from me (the "salesman"? : )), I think the ball is in your court to take a look at this program's features and dig down on your side.

>>> I imagine it shows you combos and everything

Yes. Combos, and card and range removal effects, are a big focus of this program. The screenshots and video and some of the tutorial sections e.g. "View Hand Combo Counts ..." should give an idea.

>>> you can divide up hands into like these 25 are bluffs, these 25 combos are value etc.

Yes. See the tutorial section "Managing Subranges And Range Refinements". This is also what "gunraid" and I have been discussing/arguing about over the last couple of pages on this thread.

The tutorial is too big to digest in one sitting. I suggest looking at just the table of contents to start out to get the lay of the land.

>>> I've never used one of these complex equity calculators so I am unsure.

That means you've never used PokerStove also? If you've never used a range program before then there will be a learning curve but there are videos out there e.g. on YouTube, or this app's tutorial video, that can get you going.

>>> Also, what are the big differences between the one under $10 and the $54. Do I need the expensive one for nl2? Can I pay the diff if i need the more expensive one later?

These sounds like the Mac versions, Basic and Expert. Basic doesn't have hand ranges, so on Mac for serious hand analysis you'll want the Expert version.

Re. $54,
Whoa, there must be some serious currency exchanges rates at work here. In USD, the Expert version has ranged from $30 to $40 in the last year. The price has gone up over the years as this program has gotten better and better.

Re. paying the diff,
No, can't pay the diff, no in-app upgrade path; these are separate apps. It's a one-time charge for however long you have a Mac; we don't put recurring in-app fees on you. To upgrade, what you can do is return/refund one and then buy the other one. For this you'll need to go through the Apple App Store, as they handle purchase orders, credit cards, etc., not me.

Best of luck in your investigations. Hope to see you land in the PokerCruncher world someday. -RJ

re: color coding
Just saw a screenshot of power-equilab where color coding seems possible.
I've never used this tool, so maybe someone can confirm?