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Old 05-17-2012, 10:13 AM   #51
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Thank you. If there is any way to add a feature the allows us to see how often our opponent hits the flop strong vs hits the flop weak, that would be cool. I've been reading Ed Miller's How to Read Hands book, and being able to categorize which flop calls are weak vs strong helps decide whether to continue bluffing on the turn. If you don't have this feature, if the "hit the flop feature" included the option of checking a box that said "hit middle pair" rather than just hit any pair, it might be good. I say this since I think a lot of players will call the flop with middle pair but fold it on the turn.
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Old 05-17-2012, 06:41 PM   #52
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Thank you. If there is any way to add a feature the allows us to see how often our opponent hits the flop strong vs hits the flop weak, that would be cool. I've been reading Ed Miller's How to Read Hands book, and being able to categorize which flop calls are weak vs strong helps decide whether to continue bluffing on the turn. If you don't have this feature, if the "hit the flop feature" included the option of checking a box that said "hit middle pair" rather than just hit any pair, it might be good. I say this since I think a lot of players will call the flop with middle pair but fold it on the turn.
Re. hits the flop strong vs. hits weak, a little of this is there, but not nearly as fully as you suggest. For example flopping a gutshot straight draw is hitting it weak, and this is one of the flop stats, so you could turn this stat 'on' in TotalHit. Your suggestion is basically to give more detail than just OnePair and add stats like MiddlePair, BottomPair, TopPair, and I think this is a great suggestion.

In addition, obviously position and villain's playing style are huge. That is villain is much more likely to call your flop bet with a weak hit like BottomPair (or air) if he's in position. But yeah as you say putting all this together is useful and the additional stats you suggest would help.

I'll put it on the list; won't promise a time frame because I'm working on something else right now, but I like this suggestion. Also we should keep in mind that the first purpose of this app is to be a "Mac native PokerStove app", and even for just this it exceeds with e.g. heat maps and hand combos stats. Deal-To-Flop is another useful addition, which I'll improve if I can fit it in, but it's more like an additional feature, not the first and foremost goal of the app. Maybe the app is trying to be too much rather than focused like some other tools?!

Thanks for getting the app and for this suggestion and discussion.
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Old 05-18-2012, 12:03 AM   #53
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RJ,

Basically I pull up heat map and see range v range hands that are basically hopeless and say once an opponent takes an action (raises) he shouldn't have these hands anymore and they can be removed for a turn calculation. i can do this long hand of course by going to the range tab.
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Old 05-18-2012, 01:59 AM   #54
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RJ,

Basically I pull up heat map and see range v range hands that are basically hopeless and say once an opponent takes an action (raises) he shouldn't have these hands anymore and they can be removed for a turn calculation. i can do this long hand of course by going to the range tab.
Yes just switch to the "Range Editor" tab and modify the range there, then calculate again to get the new results, then switch to the "Heat Map" tab to look at the updated heat map.

I'm going to keep the purposes of the Editor/HeatMap views separate which means no editing of the range in the heat map. Also note that in the heat map view, when you click on a cell its equity and hand combs info is shown at the lower left corner, so it would be really tough to also allow adding/deleting cells as you click them.

So let's keep the purposes of these two views/modes separate and consistent.
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Old 05-18-2012, 02:06 PM   #55
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Re. hits the flop strong vs. hits weak, a little of this is there, but not nearly as fully as you suggest. For example flopping a gutshot straight draw is hitting it weak, and this is one of the flop stats, so you could turn this stat 'on' in TotalHit. Your suggestion is basically to give more detail than just OnePair and add stats like MiddlePair, BottomPair, TopPair, and I think this is a great suggestion.

In addition, obviously position and villain's playing style are huge. That is villain is much more likely to call your flop bet with a weak hit like BottomPair (or air) if he's in position. But yeah as you say putting all this together is useful and the additional stats you suggest would help.

I'll put it on the list; won't promise a time frame because I'm working on something else right now, but I like this suggestion. Also we should keep in mind that the first purpose of this app is to be a "Mac native PokerStove app", and even for just this it exceeds with e.g. heat maps and hand combos stats. Deal-To-Flop is another useful addition, which I'll improve if I can fit it in, but it's more like an additional feature, not the first and foremost goal of the app. Maybe the app is trying to be too much rather than focused like some other tools?!

Thanks for getting the app and for this suggestion and discussion.
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Thank you for being so helpful! Terrific app too! Great work.
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Old 05-18-2012, 02:28 PM   #56
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Hey,
Many thanks, great to hear!
Windows has had its range program 'Stove for years. I just had to do similar natively on Mac on principle. : )
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Old 07-21-2012, 01:30 PM   #57
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Hey RJ, big fan of the software, I have it on the iPhone and have been using it a lot for a while. Sorry if this has been asked before, but since I just bought a Mac, do I need to rebuy the app as a separate download for the Mac?
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Old 07-21-2012, 01:54 PM   #58
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Hey RJ, big fan of the software, I have it on the iPhone and have been using it a lot for a while. Sorry if this has been asked before, but since I just bought a Mac, do I need to rebuy the app as a separate download for the Mac?
Hi, great to hear, thanks. Yes the Mac version is a separate purchase/download. Couple of reasons - the OS/code/UI is different from iOS, and is on a different app store the Mac App Store. And there's no bundle purchase feature in the App Store as far as I know. If there were I could set up a deal like 20 bucks for all versions of the app, iPhone, iPad, Mac, and even future OS versions that may happen.

I realized separate purchases would feel like a pain for some, so have kept all the current prices at the lowest level they've ever been. E.g. the Mac version was $20 initially, is $15 now. Similarly for the iPhone and iPad versions, to hopefully make it less of a pain to buy multiple versions. I owe an apology to the early Mac version buyers for the price adjustment down, hope you will understand/forgive : ), thanks for your support of the app. -RJ
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Old 07-21-2012, 03:08 PM   #59
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Yeah, I understand the costs associated with the development across multiple platforms. Wasn't a complaint really, just asking for a clarification. A bundle purchase option would be pretty cool (I understand that's an Apple thing, not a developer thing). In any case, I'll probably just go ahead and get the Mac version. Thanks.
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Old 07-21-2012, 03:25 PM   #60
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Thanks for getting the additional Mac version, the app and I appreciate the support! Yeah if there's ever a bundle purchase option in the App Store I'll be sure to set it up. Overall would help devs too as it would sell more app versions. Thanks, do let me know if any app feedback comes to mind.
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Old 09-16-2012, 04:35 AM   #61
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Hi RJ,

Great iPhone app. I've had mine for about a year now. I didn't realize there was a Mac version until just now when I Googled you.

I have one question that probably applies to all your versions (I apologize in advance if you've already answered this question in this string but I was too lazy to read all the posts).

Exactly what assumed order of the top x% hands does your slider use? Is it based on all-in equity vs. any two random cards, a Nash Equilibrium chart, the Sklansky/Chubukov rankings, the pushing index in the back of the Kill Everyone book, or what?

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Old 09-16-2012, 11:43 AM   #62
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Hi RJ,

Great iPhone app. I've had mine for about a year now. I didn't realize there was a Mac version until just now when I Googled you.

I have one question that probably applies to all your versions (I apologize in advance if you've already answered this question in this string but I was too lazy to read all the posts).

Exactly what assumed order of the top x% hands does your slider use? Is it based on all-in equity vs. any two random cards, a Nash Equilibrium chart, the Sklansky/Chubukov rankings, the pushing index in the back of the Kill Everyone book, or what?

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Hi,
Thanks for getting the app, great to hear you like it. The range top x% slider ranks the hands according to preflop all-in equity versus 3 random hands. This is the same ordering used by PokerStove. Maybe someday I'll add other orderings but that would be a pretty subtle / advanced feature; no request for it so far. -RJ
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Old 09-16-2012, 02:36 PM   #63
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The range top x% slider ranks the hands according to preflop all-in equity versus 3 random hands. This is the same ordering used by PokerStove. Maybe someday I'll add other orderings but that would be a pretty subtle / advanced feature; no request for it so far. -RJ
Consider this your first request!

Seriously.

I'm sure you're familiar with the debates about various ways to rank show down hands. For instance, see pzhon's replies here:

http://www.pokerstrategy.com/forum/t...hreadid=155759

If PokerCruncher could toggle back and forth between top x% hands methodologies you'd be WAY ahead of PokerStove.

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Old 05-20-2013, 09:02 PM   #64
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Love this thing. Please make a PC version. I use it on my phone all the time. Right after I got it I stopped using poker stove.
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Old 05-21-2013, 02:17 PM   #65
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Love this thing. Please make a PC version. I use it on my phone all the time. Right after I got it I stopped using poker stove.
Thanks for good words on the app. A PC version is on my long term to-do list but haven't committed to it yet because there are already many hand range programs for PC's and many of them are free. iOS and Mac and Android had fewer so was possible to make more of a splash on these platforms with PokerCruncher. Also PC's don't have an as visible and central app store as iOS/Mac/Android yet. But there are a lot more PC's out there than Mac's so might be a good idea. Will keep it in consideration but can't promise. Thanks, -RJ
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Old 05-21-2013, 02:47 PM   #66
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It would be cool if the stats pop up was bigger. It's like you made a cross between flopzilla and pokerstove but better.
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Old 05-21-2013, 03:20 PM   #67
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Thanks.
Yes in the iPhone version the Stats popup view is small but I don't think I can make it bigger because I don't want it to cover the other parts of the screen which show the state of the scenario you've entered. The card entry keyboard is the only thing that's OK to cover up here.

In the iPad and Mac versions this isn't the case, the Stats view is much bigger and shows all the stats at one time. On iPhone even if we make the Stats view a little bigger like 33% bigger that still wouldn't be big enough to show all the stats at one time.

On iPhone maybe I can add a separate "Show Full Screen Stats View" button sometime as another way to view the stats. But this would be kind of a repetitive second way of doing things so haven't prioritized it high.
Thanks for feedback.
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Old 11-13-2013, 04:03 PM   #68
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Hi there, any news on adding the more detail on the flop "hits", i.e., top pair, middle pair....etc. To make a long story short, I can no longer get flopzilla on my Mac after downloading Maverick and wonder how much of a replacement this program could be for flopzilla. Thanks.
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Old 11-13-2013, 05:52 PM   #69
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Hi there, any news on adding the more detail on the flop "hits", i.e., top pair, middle pair....etc. To make a long story short, I can no longer get flopzilla on my Mac after downloading Maverick and wonder how much of a replacement this program could be for flopzilla. Thanks.
Good timing, I just submitted an app update for this, but to the iPhone version. iPad, Mac version updates will follow in the coming weeks. Added flop stats TopPair, MiddlePair, BottomPair, also two other flop stats e.g. TwoCardBackdoorFlushDraw.

Re. replacement for Flopzilla -
Wrt flop stats and analysis, I think this program is most of the way to Flopzilla, but not quite there all the way yet. If I keep updating and improving it may be some day. But you have to keep in mind that Flopzilla is a specific purpose tool, flop analysis, and one reason it's so good is that it has a specific focus.

The first goal of PokerCruncher however was to be a fully general 10 player hand ranges equity calc i.e. PokerStove on Mac/iPhone/iPad. Handling up to 10 players with hand ranges is important I think because to model some situations right you need to enter multiple villains with ranges (even if you're down to heads up, the ranges of villains that have folded out of the hand affect the remaining players' hands/ranges/equity). I think it exceeds PokerStove, but yeah it can still get better wrt flop stats and analysis to get as good as Flopzilla on this.
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Old 11-26-2013, 10:53 PM   #70
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Thank you! Keep up the good work!
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Old 11-26-2013, 11:46 PM   #71
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Thanks!, will do.

An update on this feature (TopPair, MiddlePair, BottomPair, and two other new flop stats) -

The updates to the iPhone and iPad versions (V.6.4.1) have gone live.
I submitted the update for the Mac version today, so it should go live within a week.

There are some other improvements too as you will see in the update's release notes.
Thanks for using the app and for feedback.
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Old 01-01-2014, 02:48 PM   #72
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RJ999, just bought your Mac version after using your IOS product for a few years now. Great stuff. I appreciate your continuing to enhance the flop analysis features of the app, and have a few recommendations/requests:

1) Turn analysis similar to your flop analysis. I think I make this request on the IOS thread about a year ago. I understand it's hard to do, but thought I'd renew this requests.

2) Ability to narrow range from flop to turn (and turn to river) based on check-boxes selected in the flop analysis section. For example, let's say I put Player 1 on 20% r 1% pre-flop, added a flop and only wanted him to continued with certain hands (say, top pair or any draw). It would be great if you had a "narrow range as checkmarked" button that would change the hand range to included only top pairs and draws. Or, maybe you have a button that allows you to create and name a range using the check-boxes (that would be a subset of the original) range. This way you could create multiple ranges (strong hit, weak hit, etc., for example).
3) Your hand range editor doesn't allow the format "T9s-54s" or "54s+." This would be helpful.

Just some suggestions. Great product!
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Old 01-02-2014, 02:44 PM   #73
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Notam - Thanks for buying the Mac version as well as the iOS versions and for good words on the app, great to hear.

>>> 1) Turn analysis similar to your flop analysis.

It's still on my to-do. These one or two dozen additional stats are much more expensive speed wise to compute on the turn/river (vs. the flop), so I've postponed this. But maybe I can start by doing this feature in the Mac version first. And there can be a settings option for it. I still won't make any promises on doing this feature but let's see.

>>> 2) Ability to narrow range from flop to turn (and turn to river)

Great feature suggestion, and it's on my long term to-do. I call this feature a "range builder". It can also be used to construct a range from scratch on the flop, in addition to narrowing a range further from flop -> turn or turn -> river. This feature also may be good to do in the Mac version first as it seems pretty advanced for a small device like iPhone.

>>> 3) Your hand range editor doesn't allow the format "T9s-54s" or "54s+."

It does allow "54s+" currently. But in this specific case 54s+ is the same as 54s. But e.g. for "A2s+" it adds the range of cells AKs-A2s.

You're right it doesn't allow "T9s-54s", which is a diagonal range of cells. Is it standard for range calc programs to accept this?; I'll have to see. I haven't added this so far because I thought horizontal and vertical ranges of cells made the most sense to have as building block ranges. Diagonal cell ranges seemed like a good fit for only pairs e.g. JJ-77. But it's not too hard a feature and I'll add it to the to-do.

Your feature suggestions are great, but they fall mostly on my medium/long term to-do. Wrt short term, I'm working on a new feature for the Mac version right now related to the equity heat map and breakdown stats. After I get this one working and ship it I will look at the bigger picture of features.

Thanks for your feedback and ideas.
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Old 01-04-2014, 01:37 AM   #74
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Thanks for the quick and Thoughtful response.

The only other suggestion I have relates to adding a checkbox for two over cards in the flop analysis. There are times when my opponent will continue with just two over cards, and I might want to include that in my range.

Thanks again for the consideration.
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Old 01-04-2014, 11:01 PM   #75
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Thanks for the quick and Thoughtful response.

The only other suggestion I have relates to adding a checkbox for two over cards in the flop analysis. There are times when my opponent will continue with just two over cards, and I might want to include that in my range.

Thanks again for the consideration.
>>> checkbox for two over cards in the flop analysis

Would be a useful stat. Yes AK/AQ calls a flop bet often on a miss. Imo such a call can be donk-ish, or can be a good play (a float in position, with deep stacks). Easy stat to implement, so will do (prob. in the next update).

Thanks for suggestions and ideas. I can't promise to implement all, or some may be much further down the line, but the app usually gets better over time when suggestions like these come in.
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