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Old 05-29-2018, 03:00 PM   #251
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Re: PokerCruncher Mac

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>>> If I purchase the desktop version, does that come with the phone or iPad version as well?

No, it does not.
The main reason is that the app store doesn't allow Mac and iOS apps to be bundled together. The Mac App Store and iOS App Store are separate app stores.

>>> If not, is there a package to get all of them? Thanks!

The only app bundle/package deal is for the 4 iPhone apps and is called "PokerCruncher Advanced Odds Apps Bundle" in the iOS app store. This includes:

* PokerCruncher-Advanced-iPhone
* Tournament Cruncher (ICM)
* Poker Odds Teacher
* Hold'em Odds Quizzer

Here's the link to the bundle.

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Thank you for the quick response!
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Old 05-29-2018, 07:22 PM   #252
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Re: PokerCruncher Mac

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You're welcome, my pleasure.

So the summary is the PokerCruncher Advanced/Expert versions (iPhone, iPad, Android, Mac-Expert) are separate apps/purchases, because that's the only workable way to set it up in the app stores.

I'm committed to making sure customers get value for each purchase. I've coined a phrase "pay once and enjoy forever" in the descriptions of this app in the app stores / our website. I.e. if you own an iPhone or Mac etc. for the next 50+ years, you'll pay just the first time for that version. There are no further continuing in-app purchases/fees, and all app updates/improvements are free (and there have been many over the years).

Thanks for interest in PokerCruncher.
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Old 07-18-2018, 12:00 PM   #253
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Re: PokerCruncher Mac

Hello RJ,

Recently bought both the Mac and iOS versions and its awesome.

I'm also using the app to study and construct my preflop ranges and would like to know if allowing coloring/subgrouping of a loaded range is in the pipeline soon?

This is important in range construction because it allows you to see how balanced you are, e.g.

- if for my MP range I'm opening 23% and 4b jamming the top 5% for value, I would also like to see if i am able to allocate the weakest 3-5% of my range as 4b bluffs and which parts of my range are those.

I seen in previous threads that you suggest loading/saving the subranges in other slots but that is a bit cumbersome and its harder to visualize it that way. Further more, it gets even more complicated if you're trying to construct and analyze a mixed strategy where you have limp/fold, limp/call, limp/3b for value, limp/3b for bluff, raise/fold, 4b/jam etc as parts of your range.

Thanks and as a fellow software engineer, i can appreciate the hardwork and passion that you've put into this.

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Old 07-18-2018, 11:49 PM   #254
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Hello RJ,

Recently bought both the Mac and iOS versions and its awesome.

I'm also using the app to study and construct my preflop ranges and would like to know if allowing coloring/subgrouping of a loaded range is in the pipeline soon?

This is important in range construction because it allows you to see how balanced you are, e.g.

- if for my MP range I'm opening 23% and 4b jamming the top 5% for value, I would also like to see if i am able to allocate the weakest 3-5% of my range as 4b bluffs and which parts of my range are those.

I seen in previous threads that you suggest loading/saving the subranges in other slots but that is a bit cumbersome and its harder to visualize it that way. Further more, it gets even more complicated if you're trying to construct and analyze a mixed strategy where you have limp/fold, limp/call, limp/3b for value, limp/3b for bluff, raise/fold, 4b/jam etc as parts of your range.

Thanks and as a fellow software engineer, i can appreciate the hardwork and passion that you've put into this.

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Hello,
Thanks for compliments on the Mac and iOS versions, and for sending a well thought out suggestion.

Your suggestion (color coding ranges into subgroups) has come up more than a few times before and so far I've postponed it because I didn't think it was a general enough and workable enough solution for subranges. For example see my post #181 in this thread, and I'll explain more here.

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I seen in previous threads that you suggest loading/saving the subranges in other slots but that is a bit cumbersome and its harder to visualize it that way.
I agree that the current solution for subranges (save them into the 100 range slots) is a little cumbersome. I'm planning on doing something to improve this and make it faster. I'm not sure if it'll be the coloring approach, or a "layering" approach where you can quickly select which layer (subrange) of the original range you want to see / edit / work on (without having to open a pulldown list as currently). I expect to get to this a little later this year say around the late summer or fall timeframe. But I won't promise anything yet, but it is my goal.

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This is important in range construction because it allows you to see how balanced you are
Definitely. The current method does let us see how balanced our subranges are pretty easily: when you open the quick-save-range and quick-load-range pulldown lists, each range's # of hand combos is written in the lists so you can check the balancing right there and do some addition verifications on the combo counts. I hope to make this faster in the future.

And these pulldown lists have other features for working with subranges e.g. adding/removing subranges; tutorial section on this:

http://www.pokercruncher.com/ipPoker...ngeRefinements

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if for my MP range I'm opening 23% and 4b jamming the top 5% for value, I would also like to see if i am able to allocate the weakest 3-5% of my range as 4b bluffs and which parts of my range are those.
A good example, and coloring the hands/cells of the range would work well here. But I think the coloring approach works well only for these kinds of simple preflop ranges/subranges, where each cell of the range really only needs to be 1 color (in 1 subrange).

Consider your (and Villain's) ranges and subranges on the flop and turn. Here flush draws will enter the picture, and backdoor flush draws. So then a cell/hand of the range could need to have several colors on it if its combos are split up among a few subranges. It's not impossible to implement, but it could end up looking pretty messy, especially if the colors are spread out among non-contiguous cells. And it's not just flush draws that cause this; e.g. even for preflop ranges, for balancing you may want most of the combos of e.g. AA to be in your 3bet range, but 1 or 2 combos to be in your flat-call range (e.g. smooth call preflop in position). So weighting (using combos or the app's %age weights feature) can also complicate the coloring picture.

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Further more, it gets even more complicated if you're trying to construct and analyze a mixed strategy where you have limp/fold, limp/call, limp/3b for value, limp/3b for bluff, raise/fold, 4b/jam etc as parts of your range.
Another good example, with 6 subranges. The coloring for this would start looking messy for sure imo, especially if the 6 colors aren't all next to each other, which is what would happen in real life I think, especially postflop. And some people can't see some colors perfectly well, partial color blindness, so I hesitate to make a big feature depend so heavily on colors. I'm not sure if I'm right but I think colors can be used to enhance a feature or the UI, but having colors be the necessary / make or break thing behind a feature, I'm not sure on that approach.

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Thanks and as a fellow software engineer, i can appreciate the hardwork and passion that you've put into this.
Thanks for words of support, and for a very logically presented suggestion.

My summary: I'll do something later this year to improve working with subranges, but it may not be the coloring approach, could be a layering approach. I'm not sure, and won't make any promises, but it's my goal to do something on this.
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Old 07-23-2018, 04:56 AM   #255
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Re: PokerCruncher Mac

Thanks for the detailed reply as usual. Looking forward to it!
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Old 10-26-2018, 02:03 AM   #256
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Thanks for the detailed reply as usual. Looking forward to it!
Hello wonderdog78, and all who have suggested a "custom-color subranges" feature before ...

I'm still not sold on custom-coloring subranges for reasons I've given before (e.g. see my post #254 immediately above). However I've made an improvement for working with subranges (and all of our saved ranges). An app update V.11.6.1 went live today in the Mac-Expert version with a new view called "Range Manager". This view should be more convenient than using the quick-save/quick-load pulldown buttons at the top (which you can still do).

A screenshot is below.
Click the new "RngMgr" toggle button in the Range Editor view to show the Range Manager view.

Note especially the Add/Remove/Select buttons. These let us add a subrange to the current range, or subtract a subrange, or just select a subrange's cells.

The screenshot is showing some of my subranges as an example. If you name and organize your ranges/subranges well in the 100 range slots, that will speed up your workflow.

So, the ability to custom-color subranges isn't there, and I'm not sure if I'll ever be sold on that, but hopefully this new Range Manager view will make things easier wrt subranges. Do let me know what you think. -RJ


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Old 10-26-2018, 04:39 AM   #257
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Re: PokerCruncher Mac

Thanks RJ, looking forward to checking this one out.

Glad to see your motivation to keep this product improving!
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